Pecanpatch

My dad always told me B.L.D.G.P.

(can yall figure that one out?)

3D-Flyer Kevin

Nope no idea[&:]. I have a question for those of you who are experienced in computer radios. What is flaperon, flap trim, and airbrake function do? I have read my manual, but I don't understand.

Thanks,
Kevin

coolbean

Faperon is a combination of flaps and ailerons. If you have two aileron servos, you can use your ailerons as flaps too....but I don't suggest if you have ailerons all the way out to the wing tips.. that's just asking for a tip stall.

Flap trim just lets you dial in how much flaps you are using.

Airbrake also requires dual aileron servos. It raises both ailerons and the elevator. It effectivly lowers the wing incidence and reduces effectiveness of all of your control surfaces, especially the ailerons, but it makes the model fly at a nose up attitude creating a lot of drag and thus slowing it down. Again, I don't really suggest it..

If you really want to mess around with that kind of stuff, make yourself a plane with flaps about 1/3 the span near the root and ailerons the rest of the 2/3 of span. Then use the flap trim to slowly dial in flaps to get an idea of how they affect the plane.

sputnikxxx

cool... appreciate the feedback,... i had a spare minute tonight so out of bordem I cut out me a circle for the ufo... should be fun,

Marko, Im curious what your dad used to tell you

Pecanpatch

Thanks Spud,
he would say B.L.D.G.P.

Build like the Dad Gum Plans!

I always wanted to change stuff. But he insisted on the first one to B.L.D.G.P.

Then make small changes from there for improvement.

(this of course was way before Internet blogs and chat forums where ideas could metamorphisize as they went along)

I actually applaud your enthusiasm spud. You difinetly "aint skeeerd"

Pecanpatch

Kevin,
you flying JR or Futaba?
We fly JR and love computer radios.

I use dual rates. On low rates Im running 45 -50% exponential
High rates I up the Expo to 65-70% till the plane isnt so twitchy at center stick.

Josh and I usually Tweak on the high rate end throws for a combination of
as much as we can get (never past 45°)
or a roll rate we can live with
tight looping without snapping out too quick.

On the high rate we keep upping the expo till the plane feels nice around center stick and doesnt make you a nervous wreck to fly.

I use Elevator/ flap mixing on flipper

You have to set the transmitter up for flapperons.
For this you have to have a 6 channel reciever.
The left aileron servo plugs into the aileron ch. and the right aileron servo plugs into aux1 (channel 6)

I only use down flaps with up elevator on this plane.
When I give up elevator the flaps drop up to 30° (yet still work as ailerons)

I could program it for down elevator/ up flaps too but dont want too.

This allows me to do tighter loops without stalling (wing has more lift)
My flare and touch down speeds are slower as well.

On my old Nitro cub I used flapperons a lot.
I would droop the ailerons (flapperons) about 20° (used a round knob on top of transmitter)
Jump in the front of my buddy's ski boat..
Then we would fly/drive down the lake together with the plane 10' off the nose of the boat.
we usually went about 6 miles before landing again. (you can smell the exhaust real good doing this)
The point is the flapperons allowed the plane to fly much slower so the boat could be at a better speed. (just up on the step)

We use the snap roll button on the JR 8103 and JR 9303 (basically a mix button)
You assign values to each surface on the snap roll button. 100% !!
So you can be cruising around on low rates , then when you hit the snap roll button it takes the surfaces to high rate snap instantly as long as you hold the button. Then its right back to low rate cruising.
This has give me the confidence to do 3' altitude snap rolls repeatidly while just cruising around the yard.

I hope this helps some, if you have any other questions fire away.

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My poor old flipper is getting pretty ragged out / heavy.
I want to put another one together and try to do a build manual at the same time.

ntjp2005

Here is the link to the plans for the F-14

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=456358

For anyone looking for them.

LT
The link to the build guide no longer works..... So I attached it here. Also the Plans, both full and tiled

3D-Flyer Kevin

I fly Futaba and I like their radios so far, I have airbrake and flaps set-up. I will be testing this out at high altitude first before doing it for the landing.

Kevin

joe1

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Hi :-) ntjp2005
I appreciate you sharing the plans for the F-14
Thank You
joe1

ntjp2005

Your welcome Joe

I am printing out a set myself to build.

LT

joe1

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Hi :-} ntjp2005
Do you have a update on the build thread the one that is posted does not work any more?

Thank You
joe1

sputnikxxx

well mark, I realize I have to crawl before I can walk so to speak, but I want something that has real flight characteristics, and the motor setup im using right now just was not intended for this air frame.... lol.. but it is working... kind of funny to see fly, I would upload the video I shot but the quality is so crappy its hard to make out...

if this dang blasted wind would stop I would be flyin right now

3D-Flyer Kevin

Ha ha I know what you mean sput. I hate the wind. I tried..... tried to fly my untrimed 3dbatix extra330 in the wind....... well you know how it goes. Luckily not very much damage, but I do have pics.

Kevin

Mr. Mugen

Nice job! Do most of you's use no landing gear on these flat foam jobbers?

3D-Flyer Kevin

Yep I use no landing gear. It is to hard to make it work correctly.

Kevin

ntjp2005

Joe,
I am not sure what the problem was but it worked for me. You might try to cut and past.

Is just me or did your plans not line up. I had to cut mine and then tape together.

Are you asking about the build guide link on the post? That one no longer works but I have a down load of the build guide.

LT

Pecanpatch

Hey guys,
The crappy ***** weather continues in Georgia.
My brother hooked up with me and we started knocking out a new Flipper plane for him. (he loves this plane)
I wanted to test out the AutoCad plans anyway.
A couple hours on Saturday and about 5 hours today and Frank had his new Flipper.

We still have to instal the radio and power package but the plane is done otherwise.
The plans worked out great. I promise to get them posted very soon.
Here is some pics of the build.

Spud try to come by Thursday. Were gonna fly the Big GeoBat.
Forcast 64°, winds at 3-4 MPH!

sputnikxxx

I will definatly be there on thursday mark, and I will bring my New Blu Beagle, and my UFO, and Something else...., anyone got plans for something that would use a 180 direct drive motor?.... I got 2 motors with nothing to put them in

ntjp2005

Joe1,
Worked on the Simple F-14 today. The build guide instructs to install motor, ESC, servos, and battery before putting fins and top fuse on. I went ahead and put them on, so I could finish the plane and see how it looked. Hope that was ok. Guess I will find out.

LT

Marko I will have to build me a flipper...... Looking foward to plans.

Pecanpatch

Spud,
sounds like you need to build a twin!

LT,
I would love to find a FFF model similar to the one you are building of the F15 Eagle.

My youngest son is a avionics technician in the AF for the F15.

They are expecting our 1st grandson in Late April.
I would love to build a Static one to hang in the babies room.
If you know about a similar plan for the F-15 Let me know.

Thanks

sputnikxxx

Hmm... twin 180 motors.... thats an idea...

AJ1202

Marco, parkjets.com has the F-15 plans, it's a free download and it's a tiled DL, I have built one before and it can be realy dolled up, hre's a couple pics of the one I built. If your just building it for static display you can cut some corners and realy make it look nice.

Pecanpatch

AJ,
Thanks!
Yours looks great! what canopy did you use? (the plans show carved foam)

ntjp2005

Marco,
Here is a profile F-15. The one AJ posted looks better as it is a full body.

http://www.raptorblade.com/F15/F15.htm

LT

WORNBOOTS

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You guy's have some talent' the planes on this page alone should intice more builders.

I fanally decided on something, sorta the BluBeagle but with a full scale cousin,
Its called the be-101 [link=http://www.beriev.com/eng/Be-101_e/be-101_e.html]Discription Here[/link] and is a light amphibian design.

The profile view lend itself well to FF const. I think, but thats me as I like sorta-scale designs as well.

Here is the first steps, enlarging the photo and lying out the foam,
power and electronics etc. have not been decided yet will wait until built.