YDA Engine availability
01-03-2011 | 02:58 PM
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RE: YDA Engine availability
Sure - What would you like to know?
I will hazard a guess that the following might answer the majority of the questions.
YD-A Enignes.
There are only 2 sizes of them. a 56cc and a 112cc. There will not be a 23, a 32, a 38 and a 42 or any other size released under the brand name in Australia, the USA or the UK. How can I make such a statement? I own the registration of the Names YDA, YD-A, Y D A, Y-DA and a couple of opther variants in those countries (and a couple of other countries.
I also still have the rights to the molds for the cylinders, crankcases and cranks for the 56 and the 112.
Here is the history behind it.
I developed the YD-A's including prototyping a 23, a 32, a 38 and a 42 ready for production. The originals were all madde in Australia with some chinese components (such as RC Excel ignitions, Common use Pistons etc), Due to rising production costs and the lack of interests by the Aussies (The market here is either buy very cheap from China or buy DA) I let RC Aero (Henry) take over the marketing. I got convinced to send the molds and crankcase codes to JC enignes in China for the 56 and the 112 to allow RC Aero to have a more competitive engine. That was my big regret as about a month later another company was being supplied with the same crankcases etc in their REV engines. Due to some personal issues with the owners of RC aero, The brand is near non existent now and I have never actually authorised any new distributors for the brand. I did mention it to one company but they never got back to me on it.
There was talk of JC engines producing a 23 a 32 and a 38. These were to come after their "all new" 60cc. I suspect that because of the poor and inconsistent performance of the 60cc, the other sizes won't be making ity to market in the near future (Kevin at JC needs to find "foreigners" to rip off to fund his family dinners etc while making a few shoddy parts to sell). I have seen pictures of the 23cc but looking at the bits, I would say you would be better off with a DLE 20 for now
So to summarise the answer - there is not YD-A 23cc but there has been promises of a JC 23cc for quite a while now.
Any other questions?
I will hazard a guess that the following might answer the majority of the questions.
YD-A Enignes.
There are only 2 sizes of them. a 56cc and a 112cc. There will not be a 23, a 32, a 38 and a 42 or any other size released under the brand name in Australia, the USA or the UK. How can I make such a statement? I own the registration of the Names YDA, YD-A, Y D A, Y-DA and a couple of opther variants in those countries (and a couple of other countries.
I also still have the rights to the molds for the cylinders, crankcases and cranks for the 56 and the 112.
Here is the history behind it.
I developed the YD-A's including prototyping a 23, a 32, a 38 and a 42 ready for production. The originals were all madde in Australia with some chinese components (such as RC Excel ignitions, Common use Pistons etc), Due to rising production costs and the lack of interests by the Aussies (The market here is either buy very cheap from China or buy DA) I let RC Aero (Henry) take over the marketing. I got convinced to send the molds and crankcase codes to JC enignes in China for the 56 and the 112 to allow RC Aero to have a more competitive engine. That was my big regret as about a month later another company was being supplied with the same crankcases etc in their REV engines. Due to some personal issues with the owners of RC aero, The brand is near non existent now and I have never actually authorised any new distributors for the brand. I did mention it to one company but they never got back to me on it.
There was talk of JC engines producing a 23 a 32 and a 38. These were to come after their "all new" 60cc. I suspect that because of the poor and inconsistent performance of the 60cc, the other sizes won't be making ity to market in the near future (Kevin at JC needs to find "foreigners" to rip off to fund his family dinners etc while making a few shoddy parts to sell). I have seen pictures of the 23cc but looking at the bits, I would say you would be better off with a DLE 20 for now
So to summarise the answer - there is not YD-A 23cc but there has been promises of a JC 23cc for quite a while now.
Any other questions?
01-03-2011 | 05:41 PM
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RE: YDA Engine availability
ORIGINAL: tym2brn
For those of us with with the YDA 56 and 112 are parts and service availalbe anymore? Mark
For those of us with with the YDA 56 and 112 are parts and service availalbe anymore? Mark
Yes they are
In Australia the support contiues through me for the 56 and the 112. In the USA they continue to be supported through the official distributor - RC Aero products.
I understand that RC Aero Products has a business relationship with Bobs Hobbies in the USA and that Bobs is taking care of business whilst Henry from RC Aero is "off line".
01-04-2011 | 05:06 AM
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Steve,
Thanks for the reply. Sorry if I struck a nerve.... The reason I was asking was that some time ago, Henry told me that the 23 would have the ability to rotate the cylinder thusly placing the muffler to the rear of the engine. This would have made a narrow profile for a plane like the Mustang and eliminated the need to buy an aftermarket muffler.
I'm sorry you got burned. It seems that just about everybody has had this experience in this hobby to one degree or the other. Mine was with with a couple of magazines and one expensive arf. Sounds like you took a much bigger hit, though.
Again, thanks for the reply.
Thanks for the reply. Sorry if I struck a nerve.... The reason I was asking was that some time ago, Henry told me that the 23 would have the ability to rotate the cylinder thusly placing the muffler to the rear of the engine. This would have made a narrow profile for a plane like the Mustang and eliminated the need to buy an aftermarket muffler.
I'm sorry you got burned. It seems that just about everybody has had this experience in this hobby to one degree or the other. Mine was with with a couple of magazines and one expensive arf. Sounds like you took a much bigger hit, though.
Again, thanks for the reply.
01-04-2011 | 05:34 AM
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ORIGINAL: aussiesteve
Sure - What would you like to know?
I will hazard a guess that the following might answer the majority of the questions.
YD-A Enignes.
There are only 2 sizes of them. a 56cc and a 112cc. There will not be a 23, a 32, a 38 and a 42 or any other size released under the brand name in Australia, the USA or the UK. How can I make such a statement? I own the registration of the Names YDA, YD-A, Y D A, Y-DA and a couple of opther variants in those countries (and a couple of other countries.
I also still have the rights to the molds for the cylinders, crankcases and cranks for the 56 and the 112.
Here is the history behind it.
I developed the YD-A's including prototyping a 23, a 32, a 38 and a 42 ready for production. The originals were all madde in Australia with some chinese components (such as RC Excel ignitions, Common use Pistons etc), Due to rising production costs and the lack of interests by the Aussies (The market here is either buy very cheap from China or buy DA) I let RC Aero (Henry) take over the marketing. I got convinced to send the molds and crankcase codes to JC enignes in China for the 56 and the 112 to allow RC Aero to have a more competitive engine. That was my big regret as about a month later another company was being supplied with the same crankcases etc in their REV engines. Due to some personal issues with the owners of RC aero, The brand is near non existent now and I have never actually authorised any new distributors for the brand. I did mention it to one company but they never got back to me on it.
There was talk of JC engines producing a 23 a 32 and a 38. These were to come after their ''all new'' 60cc. I suspect that because of the poor and inconsistent performance of the 60cc, the other sizes won't be making ity to market in the near future (Kevin at JC needs to find ''foreigners'' to rip off to fund his family dinners etc while making a few shoddy parts to sell). I have seen pictures of the 23cc but looking at the bits, I would say you would be better off with a DLE 20 for now
So to summarise the answer - there is not YD-A 23cc but there has been promises of a JC 23cc for quite a while now.
Any other questions?
Sure - What would you like to know?
I will hazard a guess that the following might answer the majority of the questions.
YD-A Enignes.
There are only 2 sizes of them. a 56cc and a 112cc. There will not be a 23, a 32, a 38 and a 42 or any other size released under the brand name in Australia, the USA or the UK. How can I make such a statement? I own the registration of the Names YDA, YD-A, Y D A, Y-DA and a couple of opther variants in those countries (and a couple of other countries.
I also still have the rights to the molds for the cylinders, crankcases and cranks for the 56 and the 112.
Here is the history behind it.
I developed the YD-A's including prototyping a 23, a 32, a 38 and a 42 ready for production. The originals were all madde in Australia with some chinese components (such as RC Excel ignitions, Common use Pistons etc), Due to rising production costs and the lack of interests by the Aussies (The market here is either buy very cheap from China or buy DA) I let RC Aero (Henry) take over the marketing. I got convinced to send the molds and crankcase codes to JC enignes in China for the 56 and the 112 to allow RC Aero to have a more competitive engine. That was my big regret as about a month later another company was being supplied with the same crankcases etc in their REV engines. Due to some personal issues with the owners of RC aero, The brand is near non existent now and I have never actually authorised any new distributors for the brand. I did mention it to one company but they never got back to me on it.
There was talk of JC engines producing a 23 a 32 and a 38. These were to come after their ''all new'' 60cc. I suspect that because of the poor and inconsistent performance of the 60cc, the other sizes won't be making ity to market in the near future (Kevin at JC needs to find ''foreigners'' to rip off to fund his family dinners etc while making a few shoddy parts to sell). I have seen pictures of the 23cc but looking at the bits, I would say you would be better off with a DLE 20 for now
So to summarise the answer - there is not YD-A 23cc but there has been promises of a JC 23cc for quite a while now.
Any other questions?
Kit designers who sent stuff to China-a few years back- found that the arrangements they thought they made -were not so
They were plainly and simply cheated.
Fortunately not all the Chinese mfgs are not of this stripe.
If you are a student of history- you wil see that the Chinese, for years were on the receiving end of bad business
The English were particularly bad at ripping off the Chinese
Hopefully - someday we will all learn to work together
01-04-2011 | 06:46 AM
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RE: YDA Engine availability
ORIGINAL: rmh
Your story is not uncommon
Kit designers who sent stuff to China-a few years back- found that the arrangements they thought they made -were not so
They were plainly and simply cheated.
Fortunately not all the Chinese mfgs are not of this stripe.
If you are a student of history- you wil see that the Chinese, for years were on the receiving end of bad business
The English were particularly bad at ripping off the Chinese
Hopefully - someday we will all learn to work together
Your story is not uncommon
Kit designers who sent stuff to China-a few years back- found that the arrangements they thought they made -were not so
They were plainly and simply cheated.
Fortunately not all the Chinese mfgs are not of this stripe.
If you are a student of history- you wil see that the Chinese, for years were on the receiving end of bad business
The English were particularly bad at ripping off the Chinese
Hopefully - someday we will all learn to work together
(Actually it still does to a large extent)
Ain't that a fact. The "Master Race" (They have pretty much taken over the worlds expenditure in just on 10 years) sure are good at "modifying business practices as we know them". One of my favorites was when a company there told me "Hah - you think we cheated you badly? other companies would cheat you more". [:@] (that was right after they charged me quite a lot of money for a service that never got provided, even though it was specifically itemised on their invoice).
Unfortunately, I have yet to experience a Chinese manufacturer of any goods that doesn't send a reasonably high proportion of unacceptable product out, then not cover it. I was involved with importing a lot of things other than just what is used in this hobby but in this hobby alone, I have dealt with a number of engine, airframe and accessory manufacturers. Every single one of them without exception will do their best to "try it on". Yes, some do so more than others. I am not allowed to mention the brand of engines I now refer to as "Voldemort" engines here or the mods will wipe the post - it only takes 4 letters - but they were probably the worst of the lot - send crappy product then refuse to even sell the parts to fix them.
01-04-2011 | 06:51 AM
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RE: YDA Engine availability
ORIGINAL: Lifer
Steve,
Thanks for the reply. Sorry if I struck a nerve.... The reason I was asking was that some time ago, Henry told me that the 23 would have the ability to rotate the cylinder thusly placing the muffler to the rear of the engine. This would have made a narrow profile for a plane like the Mustang and eliminated the need to buy an aftermarket muffler.
I'm sorry you got burned. It seems that just about everybody has had this experience in this hobby to one degree or the other. Mine was with with a couple of magazines and one expensive arf. Sounds like you took a much bigger hit, though.
Again, thanks for the reply.
Steve,
Thanks for the reply. Sorry if I struck a nerve.... The reason I was asking was that some time ago, Henry told me that the 23 would have the ability to rotate the cylinder thusly placing the muffler to the rear of the engine. This would have made a narrow profile for a plane like the Mustang and eliminated the need to buy an aftermarket muffler.
I'm sorry you got burned. It seems that just about everybody has had this experience in this hobby to one degree or the other. Mine was with with a couple of magazines and one expensive arf. Sounds like you took a much bigger hit, though.
Again, thanks for the reply.
The 23cc that Henry referred to was the one I prototyped and got ready for production. The 23, the 32 and the 38/42 (same engine, different Bore) all had that feature for the reasons you list. However to do it right and to get the power levels we got, the cylinder casting tooling was expensive due to the need for 2 thrust faces to be built in to the cylinder wall profile so it is unlikely that you will see the feature properly done on any of the "Low cost mass market" engines.
01-04-2011 | 08:56 AM
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ORIGINAL: aussiesteve
The difference is that the bad business they were on the end of came from themselves in the larger part
(Actually it still does to a large extent)
Ain't that a fact. The ''Master Race'' (They have pretty much taken over the worlds expenditure in just on 10 years) sure are good at ''modifying business practices as we know them''. One of my favorites was when a company there told me ''Hah - you think we cheated you badly? other companies would cheat you more''. [:@] (that was right after they charged me quite a lot of money for a service that never got provided, even though it was specifically itemised on their invoice).
Unfortunately, I have yet to experience a Chinese manufacturer of any goods that doesn't send a reasonably high proportion of unacceptable product out, then not cover it. I was involved with importing a lot of things other than just what is used in this hobby but in this hobby alone, I have dealt with a number of engine, airframe and accessory manufacturers. Every single one of them without exception will do their best to ''try it on''. Yes, some do so more than others. I am not allowed to mention the brand of engines I now refer to as ''Voldemort'' engines here or the mods will wipe the post - it only takes 4 letters - but they were probably the worst of the lot - send crappy product then refuse to even sell the parts to fix them.
ORIGINAL: rmh
Your story is not uncommon
Kit designers who sent stuff to China-a few years back- found that the arrangements they thought they made -were not so
They were plainly and simply cheated.
Fortunately not all the Chinese mfgs are not of this stripe.
If you are a student of history- you wil see that the Chinese, for years were on the receiving end of bad business
The English were particularly bad at ripping off the Chinese
Hopefully - someday we will all learn to work together
Your story is not uncommon
Kit designers who sent stuff to China-a few years back- found that the arrangements they thought they made -were not so
They were plainly and simply cheated.
Fortunately not all the Chinese mfgs are not of this stripe.
If you are a student of history- you wil see that the Chinese, for years were on the receiving end of bad business
The English were particularly bad at ripping off the Chinese
Hopefully - someday we will all learn to work together
(Actually it still does to a large extent)
Ain't that a fact. The ''Master Race'' (They have pretty much taken over the worlds expenditure in just on 10 years) sure are good at ''modifying business practices as we know them''. One of my favorites was when a company there told me ''Hah - you think we cheated you badly? other companies would cheat you more''. [:@] (that was right after they charged me quite a lot of money for a service that never got provided, even though it was specifically itemised on their invoice).
Unfortunately, I have yet to experience a Chinese manufacturer of any goods that doesn't send a reasonably high proportion of unacceptable product out, then not cover it. I was involved with importing a lot of things other than just what is used in this hobby but in this hobby alone, I have dealt with a number of engine, airframe and accessory manufacturers. Every single one of them without exception will do their best to ''try it on''. Yes, some do so more than others. I am not allowed to mention the brand of engines I now refer to as ''Voldemort'' engines here or the mods will wipe the post - it only takes 4 letters - but they were probably the worst of the lot - send crappy product then refuse to even sell the parts to fix them.
