Does anyone have the new se 32cc engine. They look pretty nice. Looks like a good deal to, he is even throwing in a digital tach. I understand the mounting is exactly the same as the dle 30.

If you want to reference the engine and people that have used it, the engine is just a DLA 32 engine with a different name. The DLA 32 has been around 2 or 3 yrs

Is your statement a fact or a suposition?

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_10447111/tm.htm

And according to Vera at DLA it is fact also.

Milton

Thank you all for discussing our engines. To make things easy and clear for eveyone, here are some facts about them:

1. Yes, our engines are manufactured by the same company that manufactures DLA. We have been working with them for a very long time, 'smoothing out' the kinks, and making sure we have an engine with outstanding performance, durability, quality and price. We do make some changes to the 'stock' DLA, though, which in our opinion enhance the quality of our engines.
2. We are an american company, and our brand is american and properly registered. Xi'an F, the company that manufactures for us, does it as any other company would or could. We just feel they have the quality of product, communication and service we require for our products.
3. We are permanently fully stocked, both of engines AND parts, and we are prepared to handle any service or warranty issue that might arise in a fast and efficient manner. Our service center is in Florida -Miami-, and we have a very fast turnarround time. As a matter of fact, our warranty IS transferrable to any owner of the engine during its lifespan (of the warranty) -2 years-, and we are currently making tests and research to expand it to 3 years, including the engines that have already been sold.
4. We have established our company for modelers, and as modelers that we have been for over 30 years -and we are not old-. We new when we started that nobody would talk about us at the beggining unless they had something bad to say about our product, and still took the chance, because we do believe we have an outstanding product, and we are prepared to service it and support it in front of the 'toughest audience' we could face: modelers.
5. We do service DLA engines too, authorized by the manufacturer, not as exclusive, though. We can handle for them warranty issues as well, and I believe there are probably other authorized service centers for DLA here in the US.
6. We are here for our customers; we are commited to quality, service and support, and we are in this for the long run. We have invested an interesting amount -to call it somehow- of financial and time resources in research, testing, setup, parts, training, etc., and we have formed a company that will prevail in this very tough market, based on that samer service, support and quality we offer and you can demand from us.

Again, thank you for browsing and for helping us 'expose' ourselves a little bit. We stand by our products, and we want to have happy users. We don't want our pilots 'down', we want the showcasing our engines.

Thanks

Mateo Saraga
SE Model Products
[link=http://www.semodelproducts.com]SE Model Products[/link]
[link=http://wwwe.se-engines.com]SE Engines[/link]
[email protected]
954-275 0498

This is far above and Beyond the typical business model offered by the typical marketers from the Pacific realm.

With advertising copy written by true professionals who understand how to capture the minds of consumers with contrived B.S.

There are no NEW engines coming out of China, just renamed assemblies of spare parts, and for anyone to be flim flammed into thinking some U.S. distributor has managed to coerce a Chinese manufacturer into cleaning up their work needs to visit the Wizard of Oz to request a brain.

Mateo, if you don't mind my asking, what does "SE" in SE Engines stand for?

SE stands for South East. We wanted to call our company South East Model Products, however a company by the name South East R/C Engines already exists. Wee are not affiliated with them, and I understand they did provide outstanding service to their clients and i wish them the best of luck, but we have nothing to do with them.

Thaks for asking, and to go off track a little bit, to just prove my point on what I stated above, people -even the most respected people, who are considered authorities- tend to badmouth companies, products, people, etc., just for the sake of it. Speaking without foundation only hurts enterprises and ideas. Luckily we have sharper minds than to pay attention to nonsense. I don't mean to offend, but I believe radical unfounded stand points are what has gotten the world in the mess we are right now!

China -and I have absolutely nothing to do with China, other than the company that manufactures for me is there- has a very 'clean act'. They manufacture for Futaba, Sony, and myriad other companies we respect. We tend to disrespect them based on a 70s story that they could do whatever because they didn't have to compete... well, they are competing and beating. Unfortunately our american mentality has turned for the mediocrity we got used to getting and offering, and we feel threatened when someone offers higher standards. Thats just my 2 cents.

Again, thank you for exposing us a little bit.

Mateo Saraga
SE Model products
SE-Engines
[email protected]
954-275 0498

Don't forget this link too;

List of Chinese Engines
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=10486267

Thanks, a1pcfixer,

I do see all the posts. As a modeler and an enthusiast, and now as a part of the industry, I try to be on top of what is commented on the forums, not only about our product, but also about what is out there -as someone states on a forum signature, "we need to learn from others' mistakes, just because we will not have enough time to make them all ourselves". I tend to stay away from saying anything until I feel an answer from me is granted.

In any case, this thread has allowed me to explain and post what we are about. I cannot -nor want- to change anyones' opinions, and I guess once we have enough engines flying we will be able to prove with facts what we are stating, which might have more value than my word by itself.

Again, Thanks.

We are a people that continue to make the same mistakes. Years ago, we did the same thing to products produced in Japan. Now look at what they produce and what market share they have world wide. Guess what..... There is a giant coming and it will be competitive.

Competitive covers a lot of ground. Price, longevity, power, quality? Which is being used to define "competitive". Is cheaper than the last guy the true definition now?

We are not making the same mistakes made with Japanese products. The Japanese learned that higher quality brought greater dividends in sales and customer loyalty. The Chinese are still trying to find new ways to screw (or kill) their buyers. The latest in using illegal enhanced growth chemicals in watermelons.

There is a tremendous cultural difference between the Japanese and the Chinese. One has honor, the other does not. Both lie but the Japanese are dishonored when they are caught. The Chinese would simply say the other Chinese vendor lied more, so what's the problem. The Japanese take pride in their quality and workmanship. The Chinese only take as much profit out of their wares as they can squeeze. Japanese warranties are generally easy to collect on. Chinese warranties are pretty much up to the selling dealer since the Chinese do not pay for warranty labor, and only sometimes provide warranty parts.

With every bit of respect, nothing in that long post says anything that indicates anything about how these engines may be different to a stock DLA32
In fact, the post below could as well have been one of Henry's when he was marketing old RCGF

Tell us HOW these engines are different, will you

Dear Sir,

To answer your question, and cap the discussion, I want to say that there is nothing that would differentiate SE Engines from DLA Engines.

To anticipate the next post, which I would guess would be: "Why don't you just import and distribute DLA then?", I want to say that i did it because that was my prerogative and my business model. I have spent and will continue spending large amounts of resources in research, parts, development, etc., and I would only do that for a brand that I own and can support.

I respect all the manufacturers of hobby products and specially engines, whatever might be their motive and interest, and I understand that somehow, they remain in the industry by providing what us modelers need. I don't really know where or how they manufacture their products, and I really don't care. I am more concerned with service and performance than with gossip. I don't know the person you are referring to in your post, nor I want to know, and if you were disappointed by him or the brand he represented, I am really sorry, but I really have no solution for your matter.

In any case, I am happy and satisfied with the product I represent and put my name behind. I thank the users I already have for their support and feedback -positive and negative- and I really have no interest in learning from suppositions and remarks used just to downplay a brand, person, situation or anything. Over the years, the most important matter I have learned is that, if I have nothing to say, it's better if I don't say it.

Again, please don't take this as an attack or offensive; I just answered your question the way you wanted it answered, and extended on my post, because it's kind of boring being on the defensive, checking my email so often to see what new unfounded story has come up to undermine an activity to which I devote my passion.

If I can be of further assistance, or if I can clarify matters further, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Regards and happy flying,


Mateo Saraga
SE Model Products
SE Engines
[email protected]
954-275 0498

Mate, please don't take my question or the comparison with Henry as a negative. Emails and forum posts are well known for giving an impression different to what was intended.
Henry (Aerovate brand) also imported a given brand ((RCGF) and marketed under own name. Nothing wrong with that.
I was genuinely interested in any changes you might have had made to the stock DLA engine, thus my question above

Best of luck with your business, you will have devoted a lot of funds and commitment into it

I wish you the best of luck. Things should go well until your supplier obtains the same engine but branded again differently and finds someone that promisies to buy a few more engines/month than you do as long as they get them for $1.00 less.

I love gullibility. It's soooo profitable.

Thank you both for your remarks. I really didn't take it personally, even though as you stated, it might have sounded like so. To tell you the truth, our engines -this can be verified with Vera at DLE- have original Japanese NSK bearings (we don't know what is going to happen once we run out of our stock, due to the earthquake, but hopefully they will be back on their feet soon. So far what we have in stock should last us over a year), and the carburetors are not copies; they are original Tillotson (SE-32), Walbro (SE-56) and Emas (SE-112). I sugested DLA to follow the same practice, and I would guess they are doing it, but couldn't tell. With those minor changes, and as a matter of fact having been participants and testers throughout the whole development process, we can be cartain that we are offering a very durable and high quality product.

Regarding what Tom states, you might have a point, and that is why we made sure our brand was registered by us in the US and worldwide, with all rights and patents, as well as the design, which we enhanced and co-participated in, by means of our own hired engineers and designers, not just our empirical modeler's knowledge. If by chance they -Xi'an F- decides they don't want to manufacture for us anymore, which I sincerely doubt due to what I have found to be an outstanding business ethics -and it can be surprising from a Chinese company, as has been said many times in thse forums-, and a great relationship, we are prepared to set up our own manufacturing facility, evidently provided our sales levels at that time grant it. Right now we have absolutely no plans for that, and we are going to continue our very 'nice' relationship with our manufacturer, and hope they too, have great sales of their own brand(s), and would do anything within our reach to help them achieve them.

I don't want to sound petulant or anything like it, but I have had the fortune of having being in command of manufacturing facilities throughout different parts of the world with over 3000 employees, and wouldn't consider myself gullible. On the contrary, I might be more esceptic than anyone I know or have heard of, so my confidence is absolute both in my product and my company, and time and users will prove that the idea we are following is the best way to operate.

Again, if I can be of service, please don't hesitate to make me aware.

Regards,

Mateo Saraga
954-275 04978
[email protected]
SE Model Products
SE-Engines

Mateo, I sincerely wish you all the best and from what I have heard your engines are very close to being "best in class" from what China can offer. (I think you forgot to add in that phrase). When I read your first post on this thread, I wondered if another person who has been mentioned in previous posts on the thread had rebirthed (but you left out "best in class") - maybe you use the same marketing advisors.

I note you have the "patents" - what would they be on? The Cyinder. Crank, Hub, Reeds, Carb block, Piston, connecting Rod, Bearings ? - they are all directly off the shelf parts that are used by a number of companies so either the patent is already being broken or you don't own the patent or rights on those. The crankcase perhaps? - That is also an identical unit as used by some other companies. - Feel free to post details of the patents - I am just curious is all I am saying.

NSK Bearings - You do realise that the 2 major NSK plants in China stamp the word "Japan" on bearings manufactured there don't you? - they can do this because it is a Japanese company. But apart from that, what specification are the bearings used? That is significantly more important than the point of origin.

No copies of carbs? - EMAS ? - Manufactured in China to older specifications of Walbro designs that they have available due to an old relationship they had with Walbro - notice the EMAS name spelt backwards is "SAME" - there is a reason for that and they manufacture a lot more than just carbs.

A years worth of stock - in engines? - either you have very low sales volumes OR have made a very large financial risk - just saying.

There are many other holes available and as I mentioned earlier - I genuinely wish you the very best. I do have a LOT of experience dealing with Chinese companies rangine from the manufacture of components worth a few cents to managing projects (in and for that country) worth Billions of dollars. One common thing in doing business there is that no matter what the value of the product involved, you need to keep your eye on the ball 100% of the time and you need to have proper hands on QC on every item 100% of the time. Just saying like. It is a cultural thing in a place where wrote learning is the norm and "for more than 2000 years" people who thought outside the square or voiced an opinion outside the accpted norm of the day had their heads removed - thus removing that trait from the gene pool.

WOW! good too know thanks, NSK Bearings - You do realise that the 2 major NSK plants in China stamp the word "Japan" on bearings manufactured there don't you?

Aussiesteve,

I have to answer, even though it's getting old. I didn't use "best in class" just because it's a phrase I don't use -even though now that I read it, I feel it true-. I have no marketing advisors answering posts for me. If I use marketing advisors, it might be for marketing purposes; however, I haven't had the chance so far. If I ever turn to politics, I will have them posting for me.

My patents are on the whole assembly and mark, as is possible only when something is already made up from public domain or broken patent pieces. That has been done to protect my product, and in no way I implied I was the inventor or creator of the product, or that it would benefit the consumers in any manner; it would only protect my position and brand. I guess you can consult with a patent attorney -as I did- and he/she might explain better the whole concept.

The 2 NSK plants in China stamp the word Japan on their bearings because it's a Japanese company, as you state, so there is very little to know regarding the origin of them. What is certain, is that they are acquired directly from them, and they offer them as Japanese. if they lie, I wouldn't be able to tell, even though I doubt it. If you are interested, I can give you the part numbers for all the bearings used, so you can research their specifications.

Regarding EMAS, it is manufactured in China by Taizhou Emas Machine Co. You say they are manufactured to older Walbro specifications; however I researched them from ZDZ Engines, which uses them, and has for many years. The fact that EMAS is SAME backwards is absolutely irrelevant. If we look for words we might find myriad of them to play games. On the size of a 112CC motor, the standards are set. You can downplay them all you want, but facts are facts. If you consider that just because a factory is Chinese then they are copying, my friend, you are extremely mistaken.

When I state I have a year's worth of stock, evidently I meant bearings, not engines. Regarding my sales volume, if you are interested in buying my company and make a sizeable deposit towards a due diligence, I will be more than glad to fully disclose my numbers. Getting excited about trying to put down someone's success or failure just shows the lack of possibilities someone might have. I do find it insulting and demeaning, but again, I am not taking it personal.

Regarding your experience managing projects, I am surprised that you make it exclusive to China to "have your eyes on the ball 100%". I was raised to "have my eyes on the ball 100%" on absolutely everything I do, thus my still intact 10 fingers! i have run projects or companies if you will here in the US, in South America, in the far and the middle east, and sincerely, where you least expect to have to be alert, is where you need to be the most.

In any case, I really appreciate the exposure we are giving my engines, and I sincerely thank the luck I am being wished. I hope someday you come across one of my engines, and out of curiosity you give it a chance. I hope too, that at that point you require service or assistance from us, so you can gather from first-hand experience what we are about, and what the quality of our product is -bad or good, but from experience-.

Again, thank you for your remarks, and please don't hesitate to contact me for any further information or clarification.

Regards,

Mateo Saraga
SE-Engines

Mateo,

I'm not trying to slam you or your product in any way but having been around the situation since Tomy Chen tried to get me to import his products almost 10 years ago I've seen how they operate. They are perfectly predictable so cover your butt. Many have gone before you and some have fallen hard. Most sold their honor to the devil trying to market what they first thought to be good products, only to have that come back and wipe out their inventory when it was consumed for warranty repairs. Without factory compensation of course.

So be careful. Your copyringht will not be honored by the Chinese. Too much history there already. Copyright to them means they have the right to copy.

As I mentioned - I honestly do wish you all the best. There really is no need for you to get hot under the collar - this hobby is supposed to be fun and if your engines are every bit as good as you tell us (I don't have one to comment and have no intention of owning one), then I am sure you will most definitley enjoy the hobby. I reiterate, from what I have heard they are a reasonable product.

Now it is time for you to back up your claims
Patent numbers or details?
Bearing specifications as installed on each SE engine?

And a final question - QC, Do you have a detailed system and what is it based upon?
Is it based Specific inspection criteria, Specific measurement methodology or other means? and feel free to give some detail on that

By answering those sorts of questions, I think you may do more good for your brand than being simply defensive. I am glad I can help you get exposure and like to help where I can for truly great products.

Did this thread die? I am interested in a 30CC size eng

Standing by....