I bought my first gasser a 3W 60 from Dave-as I recall-

Indy used to have the Zenoah distribution rights at one time......I think.. Well at least I remember a G62 was my first gasser from Indy.

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Oops! You can't open your mouth without stepping on someone else's toes. My bad.

I agree. You are a very valuable asset to RCU and to modelers in general. My apology to you.

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For the record, I am a big fan of Pe Reivers. My comment was not intended to denigrate him or to hurt his business venture.

With that said, I tried to buy an engine from Pe on several occasions. Through no fault of his, PayPal would not complete the transaction and Pe did not handle credit cards at that time. I ended up buying my MVVS engines from Morris Hobbies. While the folks at Morris Hobbies are nice enough, their service is less than stellar. I eventually stopped dealing with them because orders were not filled or the item was backordered and they did not tell me that the item was out of stock. That stuff ticks me off. As I said, they seemed nice enough, but they just didn't have their act together. Things may have changed (improved) since then, but I found the engine elsewhere.

Now, when I want an MVVS 1.6 (my favorite size) and I want it now, without payment difficulties or being told inaccurate information about the item being in stock (Morris), and then Horizon Hobby Distributors comes along and offers me said engine and actually ships it when promised, who can blame me for honking their horn? I don't see how this makes me a bad guy. I'm not saying that anyone called me a bad guy, either, by the way.

I am not aware of the legal situation between Morris and MVVS, nor do I want to be. I have my own life to live. I don't want or need to become involved in theirs. When someone offers me the product I want at a reasonable price and in a timely manner, you can bet that they are going to get my order. That's what happened.

Horizon Hobby has always been square with me, so I did not hesitate to buy from them when the opportunity arose. If I need warranty service, the engine has a much better chance of being returned to me in less time than if I bought it from outside our country. The latter justifies paying a slightly higher price.

Pe certainly has a good thing going for US customers. I just paid $100 less than I would have at Horizon or any LHS for a 2.15...and that's shipped from the Netherlands. In my book, a few clicks through Paypal and a $100 discount does not equate to inconvenience.

Thanks, Pe; your presence and support on RCU made the decision a no-brainer!

We at Horizon have 10 full time telephone techs supporting our customers at all times. They have scant little time for the RCU links while they directly support our customers. A toll free telephone call gets immediate response from a person with no email delay. And no one has a better service and warranty reputation than Horizon.

Or marks up replacement parts higher At last, a Horizon person....How come Horizon charges its DEALERS more than retail for replacement Zenoah parts ?
As you well know, Zenoah engines are made from Red Max power equipment...I have the RETAIL parts catalog here in my hot little hand...A G62 cylinder, part # 3366-12115 is $92.87 RETAIL...Your DEALER price is higher than that....
Got an answer ?
Ralph cunningham, RC Ignition...
Buying and converting Zenoah engines for 18 years...

I don't deal with pricing of items, I work in service, not sales.

I apologize for the apostrophe remark, it was in bad taste...
I don't apologize for the pricing question, maybe you could ask someone in that area for an answer...

Danny,
From your posts I believe you are a radio champion. Will you represent Horizon concerning engines as well? I know of many posters here who would appreciate a bit of dealer support at RC-universe.

""I ended up buying my MVVS engines from Morris Hobbies. While the folks at Morris Hobbies are nice enough, their service is less than stellar.""

tell me about it,,, as I told you on the phone "Terry" you returned to me the WRONG carb !!

Jim

Well I am ordering my engine from Pe when I finally get my plane(delayed several times).

Pe is really giving support for RCU readers like a good dealer should do and thats the main reason why I also advice my fellow flyers to order MVVS from Pe. Actually we are paying more from our engines than you overseas customers(and Finland's post is damn slow), because of tax issues MVVS isnt a well know engine here because there hasnt been finnish dealer for years.

We also have to order YS engines from USA and pay ridiculous amount of custom payments and value added tax

I'm not going to enter in to a discussion of pricing information/policies. If you wish to discuss it further I would advise you to speak with your sales rep.

Pe, unfortunetely I have limited time available so monitoring a forum myself is not possible at this time. However, having a forum is something that we have and will continue to consider.

SPLIAS .......... What exhust system are you using with this engine?
Paul from Greece

These are the new ignitions from mvvs catalog 2006. They already exist and they are out in the market . just received some yesterday,i cant wait to see them in action!!

Danny, You are right not to discuss prices. The European market cannot be compared with the US, and websites can be read worldwide. For retailers, there is no such thing as complete freedom in an open market. You can check that out by researching the German and other dealers in Europe. In the end, it is service close at hand that counts for the customer. Yet I bet, your customers would appreciate any effort to support them in this forum very much. Many read the fora and do not take the phone easily.

Pe, I couldn't agree more.

On a Showtime airframe the 26GT w/ pipe seems to have empty throttle behavior above 1/2 opening. I'm using a Moki 16x10 for break'in and the high RPMs are at 8890 in the air. Is anyone else experiencing this? Could I not be proping the engine enough and the ignition unit is limiting the RPM?

Keith

Keith

You should try a variety of propellers till you solve your proplem for example a 17x10 or 18x8 with this way you will have some less rpm and better resaults.

Check your plug. I bet it is black. Lean out the H needle. your rpm should be well over 9000, which is over the top for this engine, but OK for 3D.
BTW, 3D will be better with a larger, but light weight prop like 18x6 or 18x7
A normal fight prop will be like 17x10, 18x8, 20x6, all depending on the plane it is in.

I'll try a couple of cheap Zinger props today and let you know.
I took a look at the plug and there wasn't much carbon or any oil at all, just a mild amount of tan colored debris on the insulator.
I'm using a synthetic blend type oil for break in.
Other than the stupid mistake I had using a glow stopper in my fuel tank and having a few engine outs before I figured it out, the break in proccess has been noneventful.

Keith

Had a short flight today and tried a ziner 18x5 and the RPM's peaked @ 9980 (100 more)but still lots of dead throttle input. And allot more noise.
I'll try and lean the high speed needle next time, I shure liked the pace of flying better with the 18" prop.

"dead throttle input"
Is that what you meant before? That would explain your near perfect plug reading. Do not lean further, but increase prop load.

In a walbro carb that lack of response in the last throttle travel is normal. The effective carb throat opening does not increase in the last 20% of throttle travel. You might as well stop servo travel before the throttle arm hits the stops.
18x5 is too small again. 18x6 would be the smallest I recommend for the engine, for static rpm just in excess of 9000.
That is only for 3D.
For Imac type aerobatic flight, 18x7 or 18x10 or 17x8-10 is way better.

The two round openings in the piston skirt were used by OS in the very early seventies in their .40 H & P engines. Others may have used them before then, but that is where I remember first seeing them.

""In a walbro carb that lack of response in the last throttle travel is normal. The effective carb throat opening does not increase in the last 20% of throttle travel.""

this is what I found with my MVVS 35 gasser (in the air), this tells us 2 things, 1) in the air and on the ground are 2 different things, 2) in the air I could go with a little more prop..

Jim