Evolution 58 NOT THE same as MVVS58??
02-10-2006 | 01:18 PM
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RE: Evolution 58 NOT THE same as MVVS58??
Discowings,
I rarely say this but you are obviously a TROLL!!!
Read your own post where you claim 6900rpm on the very same engine in the Wild Hare forum
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_34...mpage_2/tm.htm
Get a life or at least tell the truth
I rarely say this but you are obviously a TROLL!!!
Read your own post where you claim 6900rpm on the very same engine in the Wild Hare forum
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_34...mpage_2/tm.htm
I have 2 evo 58s. They are turning a 24x10 at 6900 RPM, the best the DA did was a 22x10 at 6700.
The evo yanks the an extra lx likes its nothing, the DA struggles to get out of a hover, it does but not very impressively.
The evo yanks the an extra lx likes its nothing, the DA struggles to get out of a hover, it does but not very impressively.
02-10-2006 | 03:28 PM
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RE: Evolution 58 NOT THE same as MVVS58??
ORIGINAL: DiscoWings
Ben, 1200 rpm lower is a lot more then just a few variables, were are not talking about 200-300, we are talking about almost 10 lbs of less thrust.[:-] Thats a lot, Andy has been getting 6400, almost 800 rpm more then any other Evoltuion 58 owner I know, he is getting this even with a simple bisson wrap around, I know people with an MTW canister and header not getting anywhere near that...[:-]
Anyway, please post your readings with Evolution 58 if you have it. Thanks.
Ben, 1200 rpm lower is a lot more then just a few variables, were are not talking about 200-300, we are talking about almost 10 lbs of less thrust.[:-] Thats a lot, Andy has been getting 6400, almost 800 rpm more then any other Evoltuion 58 owner I know, he is getting this even with a simple bisson wrap around, I know people with an MTW canister and header not getting anywhere near that...[:-]
Anyway, please post your readings with Evolution 58 if you have it. Thanks.
02-10-2006 | 08:57 PM
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RE: Evolution 58 NOT THE same as MVVS58??
I have the MVVS 58 Prosport and I understand that the factory reps say not to exceed 6,000 rpm static. Prop your motor so that it doesnt exceed 6,000 rpm on the ground. Your elevation will determine your prop size. I have a Bolly 24x10 wood turning 5,900-6,000 rpm at about 5,000 feet in elevation with a Slimline Pitts DA-50 modified to fit. I am at 40:1 and the motor is still running rich on the low end. I only have a little over a gallon through it. The motor will only get stronger with time. If I want to use the tuned-can I will have to go to a 26x10 prop to keep it in the 6,000 rpm range.
Dont get caught up in all the hipe about an engine, if it doesnt work out for you then return it or sell it. They just recently started making planes for these motors check out the new 75cc size planes, these are going to be perfect for these engines with the tunned canisters. I am currently flying my Prosport in an 18lb BME YAK and it has plenty of spare power at 6,000 rpm and thats at 5,000 ft elevation. In fact today was the maiden flight and it was fun!
My only complaint about the motor is it is dirty, even at 40:1 I get alot of slick black gunk on my plane.[&o] I cant wait till it cleans up, I have a ways to go to lean it out.
Dont get caught up in all the hipe about an engine, if it doesnt work out for you then return it or sell it. They just recently started making planes for these motors check out the new 75cc size planes, these are going to be perfect for these engines with the tunned canisters. I am currently flying my Prosport in an 18lb BME YAK and it has plenty of spare power at 6,000 rpm and thats at 5,000 ft elevation. In fact today was the maiden flight and it was fun!
My only complaint about the motor is it is dirty, even at 40:1 I get alot of slick black gunk on my plane.[&o] I cant wait till it cleans up, I have a ways to go to lean it out.
02-10-2006 | 10:01 PM
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RE: Evolution 58 NOT THE same as MVVS58??
ORIGINAL: andyt
Discowings,
I rarely say this but you are obviously a TROLL!!!
Read your own post where you claim 6900rpm on the very same engine in the Wild Hare forum
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_34...mpage_2/tm.htm
Get a life or at least tell the truth
Discowings,
I rarely say this but you are obviously a TROLL!!!
Read your own post where you claim 6900rpm on the very same engine in the Wild Hare forum
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_34...mpage_2/tm.htm
I have 2 evo 58s. They are turning a 24x10 at 6900 RPM, the best the DA did was a 22x10 at 6700.
The evo yanks the an extra lx likes its nothing, the DA struggles to get out of a hover, it does but not very impressively.
The evo yanks the an extra lx likes its nothing, the DA struggles to get out of a hover, it does but not very impressively.
Andyt, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT BECAUSE I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THE EVO58 AND MVVS 58 ARE THE SAME ENGINE. When I posted this on the wildhare forum EVO58 was used interchangably with the MVVS58 you can read the whole thread, evo is faster to type then the MVVS and I used them back and forth assuming they were the same thing. HOWEVER, now having seend diffrences in the 2 motors I'm begining to wonder!
Once again, why is it so hard to understand, I'M ASKING A QUESTION! You tell me to get a life you should get a brain instead posting things before the fact...lame.
02-10-2006 | 10:40 PM
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RE: Evolution 58 NOT THE same as MVVS58??
I you bothered to search you would find that there is at least 2 other owners of Evolutions that are claiming 6300 and 6800 on 24/10s one right underneath your post.
Again thats your quote.
Perhaps if you had followed the instructions and not "broken it" in with Pennzoil which they dont want you to do you would have better luck.
Seems your the only one so far that I can find and I bet they sold more than 3.
Maybe swap it out for a DA which you trashed so well.
Break it in with a petroleum based oil and not the one that came with it... Use Penzoil Air Cool 2-stroke.
The engines are totally bullet proof once broken in, can swing a 26x10 @ 6000 rpm,
Best prop for 3-d on them is a 23x10 bolly, spooling to 7400 rpm VERY quickly.
For imac type flying a 24x10 would be really good
The engines are totally bullet proof once broken in, can swing a 26x10 @ 6000 rpm,
Best prop for 3-d on them is a 23x10 bolly, spooling to 7400 rpm VERY quickly.
For imac type flying a 24x10 would be really good
Perhaps if you had followed the instructions and not "broken it" in with Pennzoil which they dont want you to do you would have better luck.
Seems your the only one so far that I can find and I bet they sold more than 3.
Maybe swap it out for a DA which you trashed so well.
02-10-2006 | 11:58 PM
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RE: Evolution 58 NOT THE same as MVVS58??
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I you bothered to search you would find that there is at least 2 other owners of Evolutions that are claiming 6300 and 6800 on 24/10s one right underneath your post.
Again thats your quote.
Perhaps if you had followed the instructions and not "broken it" in with Pennzoil which they dont want you to do you would have better luck.
Seems your the only one so far that I can find and I bet they sold more than 3.
Maybe swap it out for a DA which you trashed so well.
I you bothered to search you would find that there is at least 2 other owners of Evolutions that are claiming 6300 and 6800 on 24/10s one right underneath your post.
Break it in with a petroleum based oil and not the one that came with it... Use Penzoil Air Cool 2-stroke.
The engines are totally bullet proof once broken in, can swing a 26x10 @ 6000 rpm,
Best prop for 3-d on them is a 23x10 bolly, spooling to 7400 rpm VERY quickly.
For imac type flying a 24x10 would be really good
The engines are totally bullet proof once broken in, can swing a 26x10 @ 6000 rpm,
Best prop for 3-d on them is a 23x10 bolly, spooling to 7400 rpm VERY quickly.
For imac type flying a 24x10 would be really good
Perhaps if you had followed the instructions and not "broken it" in with Pennzoil which they dont want you to do you would have better luck.
Seems your the only one so far that I can find and I bet they sold more than 3.
Maybe swap it out for a DA which you trashed so well.
That is the information that I recieved directly from Tom Facet; The 23x10 prop was determined to be the best for 3-d after reading a post on downonthedeck.com (I would post a link to it but dod just changed to a new message board...) That prop was on the MVVS58 which happened to be on a WH edge.
Ohh as for your penzoil claim, Here I posted about that as well:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_37...tm.htm#3764397 Notice I specifically asked weather or not to USE, the INCLUDED OIL. Based on the test we did on site, people found little to no difference between synthetic or petroleum oil when mixed in the same ratio in terms of performance.
DA, please rather not fly then even try a DA
Why do you keep posting? I got your numbers and yoursetup. Wasn't it made clear for posters just to post their numbers of the 58 Evolution engine? If you insist they are the same engines, how about you swap them out for 2 Evo58s which are making 5600 rpm
After all they are the same engine right? I have 3 people that would be happy to give their engine to you.
02-11-2006 | 12:03 AM
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RE: Evolution 58 NOT THE same as MVVS58??
ORIGINAL: ben beyer
LOL, you don't have the time to type an extra letter especially when the two prior to that one are the same?
LOL, you don't have the time to type an extra letter especially when the two prior to that one are the same?
Here some other phrases people use interchangably alot: "You are" & ur, "brb" & "be right back" I have used abreviations back on forth on many occasions and not really care enough to go back and edit my post for consistantcy. If you want to make a big deal out of it go ahead! Whatever floats your boat[&:]
02-11-2006 | 12:32 AM
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RE: Evolution 58 NOT THE same as MVVS58??
Any comments to confirm or dismiss (with proof) would make it very informative to people considering picking this engine up
I have attempted to answer.
You asked in the link if you should run synthetic.
You were told you should.
Mvvs say you should run MX2T and give you some to start and then High quality Racing synthetic.
Evolution say the same.
You choose to run SEMI synthetic and take a loose test to support yourself.
You still havent said what prop your running.
You still wonder where you have lost 1000 rpm
Or are you talking about some other engine now.
See ya
6400 and climbing
02-11-2006 | 01:20 AM
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RE: Evolution 58 NOT THE same as MVVS58??
Ben
My manual says the same thing, then I red this in the MVVS forum.
My manual says the same thing, then I red this in the MVVS forum.
You should try to prop for about 6000 rpm static. That can be achieved ith 24x12 up to 26x8-10
For three bladed props, 22 x10-12.
The large 26" prop should be of the narrow blade type.
I turned a Menz-S 24x12 at 6050 rpm using a Krumscheid 50-70cc pipe without tuning the length for best rpm.
Look at the power curves on my web site and you wll see what rpm are best suited.
I hope this helps.
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For three bladed props, 22 x10-12.
The large 26" prop should be of the narrow blade type.
I turned a Menz-S 24x12 at 6050 rpm using a Krumscheid 50-70cc pipe without tuning the length for best rpm.
Look at the power curves on my web site and you wll see what rpm are best suited.
I hope this helps.
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Pe Reivers, www.mvvs.nl , Mejzlik, 3W. Mail can be sent using the web page.
02-12-2006 | 02:54 AM
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RE: Evolution 58 NOT THE same as MVVS58??
My experiences with 58 ccm. + muffler. You can see on my web.
26/10 6150 ot.
26/9 6200 ot.
24/12 6350 ot.
23/10 /3bl./5800 ot.
26/10 6150 ot.
26/9 6200 ot.
24/12 6350 ot.
23/10 /3bl./5800 ot.
02-12-2006 | 08:36 PM
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RE: Evolution 58 NOT THE same as MVVS58??
ORIGINAL: andyt
You asked if they were the same engine and a lot of other questions (bearings/ignition).
I have attempted to answer.
You asked in the link if you should run synthetic.
You were told you should.
Mvvs say you should run MX2T and give you some to start and then High quality Racing synthetic.
Evolution say the same.
You choose to run SEMI synthetic and take a loose test to support yourself.
You still havent said what prop your running.
You still wonder where you have lost 1000 rpm
Or are you talking about some other engine now.
See ya
6400 and climbing
Any comments to confirm or dismiss (with proof) would make it very informative to people considering picking this engine up
I have attempted to answer.
You asked in the link if you should run synthetic.
You were told you should.
Mvvs say you should run MX2T and give you some to start and then High quality Racing synthetic.
Evolution say the same.
You choose to run SEMI synthetic and take a loose test to support yourself.
You still havent said what prop your running.
You still wonder where you have lost 1000 rpm
Or are you talking about some other engine now.
See ya
6400 and climbing
Your readings do not increase the readings other people are getting. How do you propose to give other people 1000 or so increase in readings?
So far, you are the exception and not the rule; ever think of the possibility they had a bad production run on the engine?
Wanting to See other peoples tach readings FOR THE EVOLUTION 58, NOT MVVS58. If you dont' have this engine, don't bother posting because it means jack
02-12-2006 | 08:45 PM
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RE: Evolution 58 NOT THE same as MVVS58??
ORIGINAL: Dick T.
Gee, DiscoWings, you sure get around the Forums pis*ing in peoples ears with the same whining about some company's products or advertising.
Looks like andyt exposed your lip trip!
Troll is too kind a word.
Gee, DiscoWings, you sure get around the Forums pis*ing in peoples ears with the same whining about some company's products or advertising.
Looks like andyt exposed your lip trip!
Troll is too kind a word.
Well Dick T, I'm glad you feel that way because I like to expose BS and problems companys and advertisements usually have. You see you are typical ignorant person who will sallow anything people have to say, If somone told you to jump of a bridge for good health, you'd doo it do..
A lot of people at RCU just keep queit when wrong things happen and critize the person when someone else speaks, typically sheep like mentality.
Lets see here:
- Posted about Servocity Selling servos in plastic baggies and asking full price without telling hte customer they are coming in little plastic baggies with no instructions/decals/case.
- After I interviened, Servocity updated site about the plastic baggies, reduced price by 20%
- BME claimed their ST 90 Gas had 20% more power then glow
- After I challendged them, they removed that statment, it was agreed that the engine probably produced about 20% less then glow
- Now, once again ignorant people are saying I have no case, but I will have to prove them wrong yet 1 other time. I'm used to doing this and having to put up with nonsense many people post.
- After I get enough information, you'll see that either the EVOLUTION 58 is not exactly the MVVS, or they had a bad production run. Its really too much of a coincidense 5 people are getting 5600 RPM max with a 24x10 prop.
The sheep shall follow...[&:]
02-13-2006 | 10:14 AM
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ORIGINAL: Dick T.
Gosh, I am overwhelmed!! Little did I know the Saviour of the RC world is among us.
The ingorant and unwashed masses are saved!
Gosh, I am overwhelmed!! Little did I know the Saviour of the RC world is among us.
The ingorant and unwashed masses are saved!
02-13-2006 | 10:43 AM
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Ugh... seriously that is the typical sign you have nothing else to say when you start going after spelling...
I bet I have grammatical errors as well, please post about them so I can correct them as well Mr. Beyer English Teacher.
I bet I have grammatical errors as well, please post about them so I can correct them as well Mr. Beyer English Teacher.
02-14-2006 | 10:23 PM
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RE: Evolution 58 NOT THE same as MVVS58??
A guy fired his up on Saturday here. We're at 6500'. His turned a Zinger (don't even go there
) 24x10 6100 on its first, rich run.
Ignition is different but the engine is identical.
) 24x10 6100 on its first, rich run.Ignition is different but the engine is identical.
