Hello Everyone,
I'm about 70% finished building an 86" sport plane called the NiteMare (I hope the name doesn't describe its flying characteristics!) from Reid's Quality Models. It's a nice-looking plane, and is a great kit for any of you who may be interested.

Anyway, the problem... I'm using a Brison 2.6 on it, which has the same exhaust port configuration as a Brison 3.2, or Quadra 42. The cowl on the NiteMare is so narrow that a muffler can't fit without cutting the entire side of the cowl out. I'm looking for a header that I can then dump into a cannister muffler down between the landing gear.

I've checked every website I can find and can't find a header for this engine. Does anyone know who may manufacture one??

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Rob

Good Luck! I've been trying to find one for my Taurus 3.2 ( Sach's cly. also ). Taurus was going to start making them for their 3.2. You might check with them. I'm still interested too.

Get in touch with either Bisson or Macs Mufflers. Both can make up a nice header to your specs. Then again, so could any competant machine shop.

Hi Silver, thanks for the heads up on Bisson or Macs. I was thinking maybe something was out there that I didn't know about, so I wouldn't have to bother them with a custom request. From the looks of it no such header exists, so I'll call Bisson and Macs tomorrow and see if they'll manufacture a piece for me. Best Regards, Rob

Rob, Please let us know what you find out. I would also like to run a cannister on my Brison 3.2.

Thanks, Tobe

Right on ! I'm 90% sure my Taurus is the same as your Brison. If it is I'll throw my hat in the ring so if it's a custom piece maybe that will help out with the end price. Post the particulars.

keep us posted on what works

Hi Guys, I sent Bisson a nice email with a description of what we needed, but I have not gotten a response from them yet. I haven't been able to contact Mac yet, because they don't have an email link on their website and my work has kept me too busy to call... I'll try to get that call made today. Sorry for the delay! ....Rob

Update: I heard back from Jim at Bisson. He says they're so backlogged on production that they just can't take on a custom job at this time. Abell hobbies also said they could not do it. Macs headers has taken any way to contact them (except for an address) off their website, so I guess I can send them a letter.
I've sent Desert Aircraft a couple of notes because their "KS" line of exhaust systems looks perfect if they have, or will make a header for us... keep your fingers crossed

...Rob

I e-mailed these guys who I guess are the world wide suppliers of K & S stuff and they told me if I sent them the measurements they would make it. I don't know the cost and I let it drop because they were so far away and I decided to try the muffler first.



www.krumscheid-metallwaren.de

Okay, then try J&M. There must be at least one muffler manufacturer out there that understands there is a long term profit opportunity in the making here, and all they have to do is want to take advantage of it. It never ceases to amaze me at how obtuse some businessmen are, but at the same time they'll all sit around and complain about how slim their profits are.

If J&M doesn't want to, or can't take the time to do something, go to a local machine shop and design something that you can copyright and market yourself. Any basic muffler shop could do it as well. If I wasn't going overseas you would have one made and on the way by Tuesday of next week, and I'd be advertising the product and service by the day before that.

Another idea.

Put the same request in front of Gary Allison, the previous owner of Brison R/C engines via the "Will Brison Survive?" thread here in the Gas Engine Forum and see if he wants to pick up on it. He knows better than anyone how many of his engines have been sold to date, and the market potential based upon those numbers. His answer to your question will have direct bearing on the answer requested in the thread name.

Good luck.

Pat

Hi Pat,
Thanks for the input.
Jeff, over at Desert Aircraft, just emailed and said he found a header that has exactly the dimensions we need (says it the same as the 3W40 flange). I'm in contact with him now, asking a few questions about the header (straight, elbow, etc.). I'll post my results here as soon as Jeff and I get it nailed down.
Then you guys can give them a call and hopefully get the same thing

...Rob

Nice to see that somebody had a light turn on. Hope it works out for you.

Rob,

Check Aircraft International. They have headers by KS and 3W for the 42

http://www.aircraftinternational.com/

I wonder if the 40 and 42 are the same

OK everyone, here's the latest...
I just got off the phone with Jeff over at Desert Aircraft. I was hoping they'd have the finished header assembly, but they have just the header flange with the appropriate tubing, muffler, etc. ....kind of a braze-it-yourself routine.

In the end it turns out the exhaust port for the Brison 2.6, the Brison 3.2, Zenoah G38, 3W40, Quadra 42, and Taurus are all the same.

I've ordered the parts from Desert to complete my setup. I'll get it installed, take a couple of pics, and post back here.

For those interested, Desert's phone # is: 520.722.0607. From BubbaGates post, it looks like Aircraft International also carries the KS line. If you want to see the parts on the factory KS website, here's the link - http://www.krumscheid-metallwaren.de...op.php?lang=EN - this was very helpful to me in seeing exactly what I needed.

It sounds like this tubing can be silver-soldered together. Jeff at Desert said he would include the fluxed brazing rod I would need to braze it together with.

Hope this helps all of you... I'll post pics as soon as I get mine assembled.

Thanks,
Rob

I forgot to list the part number for the header that fits the engines referenced in this thread.

The KS part number is #1564. This is the header flange with a short, straight stub that is swagged for adding additional tubing. #1564i is the same flange but the stub is angled down, I believe, 15 degrees. Tubing diameter is 25mm (approximately 1 inch).

I'll wait until you get the flange to make sure it is Ok and then order the complete flange & header from Germany. Since there is no dealer in Canada I think they will sell to me direct.

Believe it or not I have been a plumber for 42 years and hate soldering or brazing on my day off.

I just got an email from Kevin at Aircraft International - http://www.aircraftinternational.com/ - saying he has the header in stock (although it is not listed on their website, yet). I'll order the header just so I don't have to weld/braze anything. I'll post pics of this header when I get it in.
...Rob

Did he give you the part number. I'm also looking for one

Well, that's odd, I posted a second post with the part number and it's not on the forum....

The part number for the header with a straight, short (about 1 inch) swagged tube is #KS1564 (this part number is not yet on their website).

A second header, with an exit that points downward (I believe 15 degrees), is #KS1564i. Aircraft International also has a full line of tubes, mufflers, clamps, etc., as does Desert Aircraft.

Hope this helps, everyone! Mystery solved!

I'll post pics of the header on my engine as soon as I get the pieces.

..Rob

It's up there. These are the same part numbers you posted the other day. I thought that you were buying the complete here and tubing all ready done or did I misunderstand

Hi BubbaGates,
No, I just posted the header part number, as that is what is really relevant to this thread. Any of the manufacturers/distributors carrying the KS line have a full listing of additional tubes/mufflers, etc. Since each plane has specific requirements for tubing length, placement, etc. I thought interested parties could just visit the appropriate websites and choose for their application.

Because I did not yet know of Aircraft International's stocking status on the headers, I bought just the header flange and tube from Desert (along with other assorted piping, muffler, clamps). Then, finding that Aircraft International had the completed header in stock I ordered that finished header so that I wouldn't have to weld the stub tube onto the header flange.

Clear as mud, right??


Anyway, I'll post pics of both parts once I receive.

cool post the pics i should be ready to order a header and have it all on stand by in the coming weeks.

Hi Guys,
Well, the parts came in from both Desert Aircraft, and Aircraft International so I'll post some picks of what was sent.

In my previous post I talked about how Desert Aircraft only had the header flange in stock (not the header). Not knowing that Aircraft International also carried the KS line, I ordered the header flange (and the rest of the exhaust system) from Desert, then after finding out about AI, ordered the completed header (and some other goodies ) from them.

The first two pictures show how well the header flange mates to the exhaust port. The second two pictures show the actual header bolted in place - one note here: the tolerances on the flange are so close that there was a little bit of binding trying to thread the bolts in. I opened up the two mounting holes with a bit 1/64 larger than the stock holes - then everything bolted into place smoothly with no binding. The last shot shows all of the muffler system parts that I ordered - it turns out that on my plane just using the elbows will work to bring the muffler out perfectly centered between the mains.

Just a note... both companies shipped quickly. Aircraft International's customer support was excellent as they tried twice to contact me 15 minutes before shipping closed, to correct an address mistake, so I would have my parts in time - Thanks guys!

Hope this helps the subscribers to this thread!

...Rob

After you get it all together post some pics, weights and total length of the animal. If you don't mind. I THINK I'm going to order a completed ? header & pipe right from http://www.krumscheid-metallwaren.de/