Scott Ellingson

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The wrap aropund muffler will add $40 to the price. We flew a 16lb stock Patty Wagstaff yesterday with the 60. Xoar 23x8 prop. RPM, didn't check. Hover, 1/4 throttle. Actually it was too much power for it. One click up and it climed, one click back and it fell. Too much thrust made it too touchey. We had a 24x8 NX but it was pointless to go with more thrust. We dropped to a 22x8 top get the thrust down , but a reciever battery dropped a cell (Hydrimax) and the plane wend in at 3/4 throttle. It was a mess. I have run 24x8 props on them anbd got in 6300 range. It was a brand new engine so it will pick up rpm. I know for a fact no DA 50 can hold a candle to it in power. We also had that 60 on a 1/3 scale CE. It hovered under 1/2 throttle. We had a 22x8 on it then. Broke the 23x8 earlier that day. The guy that flew it for the video has also flown the same plane with a DA50. Pullout was margional with the DA. With our 60 it was very fast. Same plane comparison.

Bob Pastorello

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Scott, thanks for clarifying the price diff with w/a muffler. I sure like the way you do those!

Also - for any readers - I don't post "power" comparisons to other motors. It's just something that I am NOT going to get into. I will freely share whatever data I have on the motors and props I run, and that's about it.

It's also usually VERY unlikely that I will ever post RPM readings, because they are so meaningless for comparisons, unless you're doing the comparison side-by-side, same prop, same gas, same new/broken in/used condition of motors.

More than once I've seen a post that reads like.... "My xyz motor with a 97-9 prop measures 32,000rpm, WAY more than you're getting." Or something like that. I don't much care for that, and won't play; it just doesn't have ANY meaning to me.

I like what I like, and I buy what works for me. If it doesn't "work", I sell it. End of story.

3d-aholic

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No such thing as too much power...you just need to throttle curve the radio to take the touchyness out.

3d-aholic

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Bob:
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to stay on topic

Bob Pastorello

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Read the picture you posted very closely; you'll note the scale is 3 lbs, 12.8 OUNCES. Difference explained.
This thread is about the Brillelli 60.

3d-aholic

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Ok, yes sorry to seem off topic (I was going to PM you)....but if this motor weighs nearly the same as a DA50 RTF, and its 10cc bigger...seems thats its two biggest advantages right there bar none. [sm=47_47.gif]

ok...my mind is about made up on one of these then... [sm=shades_smile.gif] Please put one aside for me...or start JIT manufacturer.

As soon as Scott answers my email about dimensions, or if we can a link to a dimension drawing on this motor, I'm sold. Just need to make sure the beast fits!

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That’s exactly how I thought of it; it seems that this motor is going to be the next 50cc planes king motor if this is true. On the other hand, power and weight is not everything especially if it comes at the cost of reliability!

3d-aholic

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Yes this and customer service. I've heard about a thousand stories now of a certain manufacturer taking a motor back, completely fixing it and sending it for Free....cost of shipping only. In fact, I have heard it enough times....that frankly...I don't want to hear it anymore.

Jake Ruddy

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Well I can tell you personally about my experience... I have had 4 Brillelli engines.. and the 5th one arrived on Friday.

Customer service.. simply amazing. Quality the same and performance outstanding.

I own the only 2 54 engines out there. Long story short Brillelli made a couple 54s and then decided to do the 60 instead since they were so close to eachother in production costs.. why not offer a more power engine at the same price? Nice move for Brillelli and even happier customers

Needless to say I am approaching 7 gallons on my 54 and she has never run better. The only dead stick I had was because I ran out of gas once... 24 oz tank was having way too much fun

I have no doubt in my mind that my 54 will see another 7 gallons before next summer and will be running just as good


Well I am off to the field.. 3 mph winds today.. tell me you could resist that!

3d-aholic

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Does the 54 weigh much less than the 60 or is virtually a wash of a couple of ounces only? The 60 makes more sense to me if your this close in weight.

Scott Ellingson

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The 54 and 60 are pretty much a wash. Maybe 1/2 oz difference. It uses the same crank and crankcase. Just the piston and cylinder are different.

Jake Ruddy

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Yeah.. they are a wash.. I only bring it up because I dont have a 60 so I try and keep my information as specific as possible.

They both run almost identical except the 60 pulls 300+ rpms more Since all that is changed is the piston and cylinder I am an avid speaker about the 60 because I know how well it will run and if there were problems my 54 would see it first. I am also one of those guys who flys as much as I can so I am putting many hrs on these engines in a short period of time.

Jake Ruddy

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btw.. the carb to muffler is 6 1/4" that doesnt include the muffler bolts that stick out maybe 1/4" but that can be recessed if you ask Scott.

With v-stack its 7.5"

3d-aholic

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Yeh, 7.5 is going to be too big....

I've measured...I believe the entire engine box is going to have to be rebuilt and moved back...but I think that is standard except if you put the G62 in. My friend had to rebuild it for the DA50.

I need to know what the distance is from the exact center of the engine to the end of the carb including screws and/or worse case...but probably excluding that stack as I don't think thats going to fit. Worst case as in butterfly clearance if wide open if it extends out of the carb...
And, whats the minimum clearance recomended for the carb. to breathe so I can take that distance into play?

The muffler side will be fine.

Jake Ruddy

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center of engine to the bolts on carb is 3.5"

Well I dont think there is a min distance... every engine is different and so is the airflow in the cowl depending how you cut it for your muffler and how big that hole is.

Scott Ellingson

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Here is a pic of the 60 in a GP Patty Wagstaff. Actually I will put up the before and after pics. The after is after the reciever battery faild, Mark had no control and it went in at 3/4 throttle at about an 80 deg angl. Small debries field (:

3d-aholic

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Sorry for you loss. [X(]
I see that your own your knees praying....but your suppose to do that before it flies...
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What is the size of the prop bolt on this motor? I guess the standard hole is 10mm...does this have to be drilled out? If so, what method do you use for this.

Bob Pastorello

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Yep... can't even IDENTIFY a motor in that carnage.... not much horizontal vector at all...That's SO much better though, than one that goes in at half-power on knife edge. Now THAT was a "debris field"....
A shame to see that wonderful Xoar prop vanish beneath all that wreckage.... and not be broken.... wow.

Scott Ellingson

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The prop bolt is 3/8. It fits a 10mm prop well. The 2 are so close. It is drilled and tapped for a spinner. That one had a dave brown spinner on it.

Bob, the prop boke, but only half of it. I could not see the engine until I pulled some of the chunkd off and there it was. Only the standoffs were sticking out of the ground. Here are a couple of engine pics. It will run again in no time. Just a little clean up is all. It is now officially battle tested :

It sucks, but that is all part of the hobby. Most of the time it is pilot error, others somthing fails. My trainer told me when I started flying. "If you don't want to crash, find another hobby. " Aint that the truth.

3d-aholic

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Is there a Warranty on this engine? I don't see one described on the website.

Scott Ellingson

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Yes, 2 years. It was on the site before I changed it. I must have forgoten to put it up. I will tonight.

3d-aholic

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Ok, thanks. And what about customer service...is there a limit on that. Can we call your company about questions, etc., and I guess I've had a boat load...sorry.

Most of the time we support ourshelves as users by comparing what others have done in forums like these...but in the odd case, we get a technical issue that we believe we need to defer to the designers to is what I'm referring to.

Scott Ellingson

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I have my cell phone on me pretty much all the time. That is the number I gave you and it is on the site. I take calles with questions all the time. I would rather people call and ask me than anywere else. Who else would know better than the guy building the engine. RCU has a lot of good info, and a lot of bad. Picking through iut is the hard part I have had people call me from the field on Sunday. No big deal to me. The best part is when you call, you will get me, no one else.

3d-aholic

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Thanks and this is 2 years engine only or does it include the ignition?

Scott Ellingson

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I think Roy does a 90 day warrenty like CH. We handle all warenty issues. The reason we use Roys EI on the 60 is it looks soo pretty. I have met both Roy Sholl and Terry from CH. Both are great people to deal with. wWe just wanted to help Roy get his ignition a little better known. Ourselvs being only 2 years old, we understand how hard it is to get your product out there so people know about it.

With EI there is not a whole lot to go wrong. They both use quality components and are both well tested. CH having the advantage of many years experience and tousands of ignitions sold. Pretty Much unless they are crashed, too high of voltage is applied, or the EI is fired with no plug in it an grounded, they will last for years.