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01-26-2010, 07:24 AM
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Dave, forgot to ask while I had you on the phone yesterday. Would you or anybody else have the mounting template for the 15cc engine in PDF format? Can't find it on the manufactures web site.
01-26-2010, 12:11 PM
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RE: RCGF Engines
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Dave, forgot to ask while I had you on the phone yesterday. Would you or anybody else have the mounting template for the 15cc engine in PDF format? Can't find it on the manufactures web site.
Dave, forgot to ask while I had you on the phone yesterday. Would you or anybody else have the mounting template for the 15cc engine in PDF format? Can't find it on the manufactures web site.
01-26-2010, 02:44 PM
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This thread has bounced around so much to different RCGF engines.
Back to the 15CC model. Has anyone that has had trouble with the standoffs getting in the way of carb adjustments tried rotating the carb 180 degrees?
Also, has anyone found a wrap around pitts muffler for this engine. Or a muffler extension for it.
This thread has bounced around so much to different RCGF engines.
Back to the 15CC model. Has anyone that has had trouble with the standoffs getting in the way of carb adjustments tried rotating the carb 180 degrees?
Also, has anyone found a wrap around pitts muffler for this engine. Or a muffler extension for it.
Take a good look at the standoffs...one is thinner...
01-26-2010, 04:52 PM
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and you didn't mention the bolts are to short. unless the standoffs are threaded at both ends to accept bolts from the firewall end.
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How much for the 15 cc from you and how much to ship to 43824 (ohio).
Also, how much for the pitts mufler WOW this looks like a good setup!
What would this engine be directly compaired power wise to in the Saito line?
Also, how much for the pitts mufler WOW this looks like a good setup!
What would this engine be directly compaired power wise to in the Saito line?
01-26-2010, 06:28 PM
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RE: RCGF Engines
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and you didn't mention the bolts are to short. unless the standoffs are threaded at both ends to accept bolts from the firewall end.
and you didn't mention the bolts are to short. unless the standoffs are threaded at both ends to accept bolts from the firewall end.
I fly my new style 15cc everyday I get a chance, and it seems to run better the more it breaks in. I love being able to fly ALL day on a quart of gas!!!
01-26-2010, 09:49 PM
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aussiesteve, I have a rcgf 45cc & I bought a dave brown spinner. The spinner back plate doesnt fit the thrust plate...its off just enough where I cant get the screws in.....have you heard anything about this....dave de
01-26-2010, 10:06 PM
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aussiesteve, I have a rcgf 45cc & I bought a dave brown spinner. The spinner back plate doesnt fit the thrust plate...its off just enough where I cant get the screws in.....have you heard anything about this....dave de
aussiesteve, I have a rcgf 45cc & I bought a dave brown spinner. The spinner back plate doesnt fit the thrust plate...its off just enough where I cant get the screws in.....have you heard anything about this....dave de
No, I haven't heard anything about this but I also haven't purchased any new 45's for a couple of months. It is highly likely that the factory has slipped a change of bolt pattern through without notifying the dealers of the changes. Is is possible that the PCD of the bolt pattern is now about 1mm larger? If so, it may be the same pattern as DA/DL now.
Previously the Dave Brown spinners have fitted fine.
01-30-2010, 10:43 AM
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My first gasser, 20cc, arrived from TBM the other day & some questions
1st, after a little cleaning & oiling, I began to turn her over by hand, and I see the top ring catches the top of the exaust port a little (sometimes) the port does not look camfered along its top edge
2nd, the muffler port is obviously smaller than the exhaust port in the cylinder (undersized along its length) opening the port up to match the exhaust does not look like an option because the mounting tubes that pass through the muffler are directly adjacent to the port opening.
My first thought on the ring catching the port was to take jewelers file & camfer the port slightly, but since these are liner-less cylinders I don't know if this is a good idea, the mis-match on the muffler looks like I'll have to live with.
Any thoughts or suggestions???? Mike.
1st, after a little cleaning & oiling, I began to turn her over by hand, and I see the top ring catches the top of the exaust port a little (sometimes) the port does not look camfered along its top edge
2nd, the muffler port is obviously smaller than the exhaust port in the cylinder (undersized along its length) opening the port up to match the exhaust does not look like an option because the mounting tubes that pass through the muffler are directly adjacent to the port opening.
My first thought on the ring catching the port was to take jewelers file & camfer the port slightly, but since these are liner-less cylinders I don't know if this is a good idea, the mis-match on the muffler looks like I'll have to live with.
Any thoughts or suggestions???? Mike.
01-30-2010, 11:10 AM
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RE: RCGF Engines
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My first gasser, 20cc, arrived from TBM the other day & some questions
1st, after a little cleaning & oiling, I began to turn her over by hand, and I see the top ring catches the top of the exaust port a little (sometimes) the port does not look camfered along its top edge
2nd, the muffler port is obviously smaller than the exhaust port in the cylinder (undersized along its length) opening the port up to match the exhaust does not look like an option because the mounting tubes that pass through the muffler are directly adjacent to the port opening.
My first thought on the ring catching the port was to take jewelers file & camfer the port slightly, but since these are liner-less cylinders I don't know if this is a good idea, the mis-match on the muffler looks like I'll have to live with.
Any thoughts or suggestions???? Mike.
My first gasser, 20cc, arrived from TBM the other day & some questions
1st, after a little cleaning & oiling, I began to turn her over by hand, and I see the top ring catches the top of the exaust port a little (sometimes) the port does not look camfered along its top edge
2nd, the muffler port is obviously smaller than the exhaust port in the cylinder (undersized along its length) opening the port up to match the exhaust does not look like an option because the mounting tubes that pass through the muffler are directly adjacent to the port opening.
My first thought on the ring catching the port was to take jewelers file & camfer the port slightly, but since these are liner-less cylinders I don't know if this is a good idea, the mis-match on the muffler looks like I'll have to live with.
Any thoughts or suggestions???? Mike.
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01-30-2010, 12:02 PM
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Rear Carb. Mike
Rear Carb. Mike
As far as the ring catching the port, If you do any filing, It may void your warranty.
If I can be of service let me know.
01-30-2010, 12:54 PM
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Skypilot1 I will check mine and get back to you as my engine came from Henry. The ring catching on the exhaust port is not a good thing. That could bust the ring and then you have a junked mortor. I would return it and let TBM take care of it.
01-30-2010, 03:31 PM
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TBM is selling these as Aerovate, I thought these problems were clear of that flavor???
http://www.troybuiltmodels.com/items/AEROVATE20R.html
But like I said in the first post (4676) the ring catch is slight and intermittent when turning the engine over by hand by the prop hub, I think a little polish with 600 grit will take care of it.
The muffler port on the cylinder measures 21/32, the muffler itself is at 20/32, so it's really only 1/32 smaller, and would not really be a problem to match, it looked smaller than that!
The gasket, on the other hand looks like a kindergardener cut it out with a pair of safety scissors, A real joke! But again, insignificant.
Over my lifetime, I've had my fingers in an array of engines, from automotive V-8's to Motocross two strokes, outboards, and of corse glow two & four strokes. Compared to what I've learned, this puppy is a little crude. Just my observation.
http://www.troybuiltmodels.com/items/AEROVATE20R.html
But like I said in the first post (4676) the ring catch is slight and intermittent when turning the engine over by hand by the prop hub, I think a little polish with 600 grit will take care of it.
The muffler port on the cylinder measures 21/32, the muffler itself is at 20/32, so it's really only 1/32 smaller, and would not really be a problem to match, it looked smaller than that!
The gasket, on the other hand looks like a kindergardener cut it out with a pair of safety scissors, A real joke! But again, insignificant.
Over my lifetime, I've had my fingers in an array of engines, from automotive V-8's to Motocross two strokes, outboards, and of corse glow two & four strokes. Compared to what I've learned, this puppy is a little crude. Just my observation.
01-31-2010, 12:06 AM
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Hi Guys,
I just bought a RCG 26 from HobbyKing for $178.00 delivered to Hawaii by EMS ($138.00 + shipping and handling). I sure looks like its the same engine you have spoken about in this forum. This is my first gas engine...I bought it on Thursday, and it arrived six day's later. It came in a white box and came with a muffler, engine stand-offs, an electronic ignition unit, spark plug and assorted goodies for the engine. It looks like it has a cast crank case with machined prop shaft with electronic pick-ups. The instructions for engine operation come on a one page instruction sheet, typed out on both sides. The engine appears to be well made, complete and packaged very well for shipping.
My question at this point...is this a RCGF engine...or a cheap knockoff you guys have been talking about in this thread.
The instructions tell you to mount the engine for testing with shock mounts, if mounted on a test stand. I always just mounted my glow engines directly onto a test stand...so what is this guy talking about ? I planned on bench running this engine prior to installing it in my F6F...and using a 17x8 prop for break-in and running. I was considering using a three bladed prop for flying after the engine is properly broken in. What size three bladed prop would you experienced folks suggest I use. I always used Colman fuel (white gas) on my weed eaters with synthetic oil...does this work for ok for this gas engine too ?
Please excuse my questions, for I'm new to gas engines and I don't want to damage this gas engine on break-in. I also ask for your patience, for this is one very long thread to read fully and comprehend.
Thanks for any information...
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I just bought a RCG 26 from HobbyKing for $178.00 delivered to Hawaii by EMS ($138.00 + shipping and handling). I sure looks like its the same engine you have spoken about in this forum. This is my first gas engine...I bought it on Thursday, and it arrived six day's later. It came in a white box and came with a muffler, engine stand-offs, an electronic ignition unit, spark plug and assorted goodies for the engine. It looks like it has a cast crank case with machined prop shaft with electronic pick-ups. The instructions for engine operation come on a one page instruction sheet, typed out on both sides. The engine appears to be well made, complete and packaged very well for shipping.
My question at this point...is this a RCGF engine...or a cheap knockoff you guys have been talking about in this thread.
The instructions tell you to mount the engine for testing with shock mounts, if mounted on a test stand. I always just mounted my glow engines directly onto a test stand...so what is this guy talking about ? I planned on bench running this engine prior to installing it in my F6F...and using a 17x8 prop for break-in and running. I was considering using a three bladed prop for flying after the engine is properly broken in. What size three bladed prop would you experienced folks suggest I use. I always used Colman fuel (white gas) on my weed eaters with synthetic oil...does this work for ok for this gas engine too ?
Please excuse my questions, for I'm new to gas engines and I don't want to damage this gas engine on break-in. I also ask for your patience, for this is one very long thread to read fully and comprehend.
Thanks for any information...
Soft Landings Always,
Bobby of Maui
01-31-2010, 12:55 AM
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Bob, I have been contemplating this engine for some time, on Hobby King's site, to put into a W.whirlwind ( x 2 ), money has got a bit tight so I haven't proceeded with build yet.
It is strange that the Cyl jacket has not been given a "tag", otherwise, it looks like a good unit, it will be interesting to see some results and points of views, dam nice price too.
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A.A.Barry
It is strange that the Cyl jacket has not been given a "tag", otherwise, it looks like a good unit, it will be interesting to see some results and points of views, dam nice price too.
good stuff
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01-31-2010, 02:58 AM
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I don't know about recently, but a few months back I was reading about the engines from Hobby King having problems with too much runout on the crank. Speculation ranged from bent crank to bad bore job on the cases if I remember right. There was also no official reply from Hobby King but it seemed there were as many stories about having a hard time getting getting through to HK for help as there were about engines with crankshaft issues. Either way, it was enough to scare me off.
01-31-2010, 08:00 AM
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RE: RCGF Engines
ORIGINAL: johnnynb
Hey all ,
I think our factory need to answer some questions maybe you have.
1, Why we use same package for our local market ?
Actually now the sale quantity of our local market is not big ,so that we didn’t produce new different package for it. But in order to divide and protect our abroad market better, we plan to make new different package for local market in the near future. We will do these step by step and this will take some time ,hope you can understand.
2, Why RCGF local market products are cheaper ?
Because our local market products are different, the quality is ok ,not as good as our abroad market, such as power performance etc. The consumer requirement here is not as high as abroad market. And also the consuming capacity is much different. I think you can see these.
Sometimes the local guys post our new items photos in their website, but remember that the products you will get are different from the photos. Although we didn’t send our new items photos to them ,but they can easily download from internet.
Anyway RCGF factory will never stop improving us and will always offer you good products and good service together with our authorized distributors.
Best Regards,
Johnny
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25th June 2009
Hey all ,
I think our factory need to answer some questions maybe you have.
1, Why we use same package for our local market ?
Actually now the sale quantity of our local market is not big ,so that we didn’t produce new different package for it. But in order to divide and protect our abroad market better, we plan to make new different package for local market in the near future. We will do these step by step and this will take some time ,hope you can understand.
2, Why RCGF local market products are cheaper ?
Because our local market products are different, the quality is ok ,not as good as our abroad market, such as power performance etc. The consumer requirement here is not as high as abroad market. And also the consuming capacity is much different. I think you can see these.
Sometimes the local guys post our new items photos in their website, but remember that the products you will get are different from the photos. Although we didn’t send our new items photos to them ,but they can easily download from internet.
Anyway RCGF factory will never stop improving us and will always offer you good products and good service together with our authorized distributors.
Best Regards,
Johnny
www.zjrcgf.com
25th June 2009
That looks like a clone to me. I had a 26cc and it did not look like that one. That is a different cylinder for sure but the rest could be the same. Katherine from RCGF posted a while back that they have a different grade engine for the Asian market not intended for the rest of the world. I sold mine not to long ago, here is a link to the add, look at the cylinder.
Andy
http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemID=585339
01-31-2010, 08:15 AM
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Hey All
The RCG 26 "looks" like the 1st generation RCGF engine. I have one in my hands. RCGF makes these for the Asian market. Regardless... the engine you have is not a RCGF engine that is exported here. The RCGF factory is adamant that they do not sell engines to asian companies that sell on the internet to North America.
I have written about this before, and dealt with guys who have bought these engines.
A couple of things.
1. You really need to check the prop hub for alignment too. The 1st generation ones were known for poor prop hub alignment.
2. The cranks shafts in these units are not hardened so they will not take prop strikes well. That is too say, if you have a hard landing and the prop hits the ground running, just check to see that the alignment is still okay.
3. Interestingly...... if you read the instructions from Bob's picture, it mentions that it is a DEL Engine. That may be the trading house that sells them to Hobby King. Those instructions are well written too eh![:'(] NOT......
4. The electronic ignition is NOT a RCEXL ignition. Please be real real real careful about installing this. If you do get interference issues... It will because of this. This unit may be the forerunner of what RCGF is going to be providing to the North American marketplace in a couple of months. If so, there is no history on it. Also, it is being manufactured by an electronics company that has zero experience in RC.
5. Parts availability is spotty for these engines.
6. Your warranty is all but nonexistent too.
7. You may have an engine that may work, but engines built for the asian market are cheap for a reason. And there is a reason you can't buy them here either.... They don't last......
8. Even the RCGF factory will not help you with parts.
9. A shiny engine does not mean squat about the quality of the product.
You do get what you pay for........
Cheers
Henry
The RCG 26 "looks" like the 1st generation RCGF engine. I have one in my hands. RCGF makes these for the Asian market. Regardless... the engine you have is not a RCGF engine that is exported here. The RCGF factory is adamant that they do not sell engines to asian companies that sell on the internet to North America.
I have written about this before, and dealt with guys who have bought these engines.
A couple of things.
1. You really need to check the prop hub for alignment too. The 1st generation ones were known for poor prop hub alignment.
2. The cranks shafts in these units are not hardened so they will not take prop strikes well. That is too say, if you have a hard landing and the prop hits the ground running, just check to see that the alignment is still okay.
3. Interestingly...... if you read the instructions from Bob's picture, it mentions that it is a DEL Engine. That may be the trading house that sells them to Hobby King. Those instructions are well written too eh![:'(] NOT......
4. The electronic ignition is NOT a RCEXL ignition. Please be real real real careful about installing this. If you do get interference issues... It will because of this. This unit may be the forerunner of what RCGF is going to be providing to the North American marketplace in a couple of months. If so, there is no history on it. Also, it is being manufactured by an electronics company that has zero experience in RC.
5. Parts availability is spotty for these engines.
6. Your warranty is all but nonexistent too.
7. You may have an engine that may work, but engines built for the asian market are cheap for a reason. And there is a reason you can't buy them here either.... They don't last......
8. Even the RCGF factory will not help you with parts.
9. A shiny engine does not mean squat about the quality of the product.
You do get what you pay for........
Cheers
Henry
01-31-2010, 08:38 AM
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TBM is selling these as Aerovate, I thought these problems were clear of that flavor???
http://www.troybuiltmodels.com/items/AEROVATE20R.html
But like I said in the first post (4676) the ring catch is slight and intermittent when turning the engine over by hand by the prop hub, I think a little polish with 600 grit will take care of it.
The muffler port on the cylinder measures 21/32, the muffler itself is at 20/32, so it's really only 1/32 smaller, and would not really be a problem to match, it looked smaller than that!
The gasket, on the other hand looks like a kindergardener cut it out with a pair of safety scissors, A real joke! But again, insignificant.
Over my lifetime, I've had my fingers in an array of engines, from automotive V-8's to Motocross two strokes, outboards, and of corse glow two & four strokes. Compared to what I've learned, this puppy is a little crude. Just my observation.
TBM is selling these as Aerovate, I thought these problems were clear of that flavor???
http://www.troybuiltmodels.com/items/AEROVATE20R.html
But like I said in the first post (4676) the ring catch is slight and intermittent when turning the engine over by hand by the prop hub, I think a little polish with 600 grit will take care of it.
The muffler port on the cylinder measures 21/32, the muffler itself is at 20/32, so it's really only 1/32 smaller, and would not really be a problem to match, it looked smaller than that!
The gasket, on the other hand looks like a kindergardener cut it out with a pair of safety scissors, A real joke! But again, insignificant.
Over my lifetime, I've had my fingers in an array of engines, from automotive V-8's to Motocross two strokes, outboards, and of corse glow two & four strokes. Compared to what I've learned, this puppy is a little crude. Just my observation.
Am I the only one who noticed the "Aerovate" logo on TBM's website is from a company in Canada who doesn't even sell engines? www.aerovate.com
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My 20cc from TBM came in marked as RCGF, no mention of Aerovate anywhere, on instructions, warranty card, Na-Da. So what did I really get?
And the ignition is Not marked RCEXL [>:]
And the ignition is Not marked RCEXL [>:]
01-31-2010, 09:15 AM
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Jake , can a thread name be changed ? From Aerovate to RC Aero or do you just need to start another thread ? The reason I started the Aerovate thread was to support Steve and Henry,and there were complaints from RCGF about speaking of the 28cc in this thread,but looks like things are changing ?
Andy
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01-31-2010, 09:19 AM
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RCGF seems to be using a clone ignition on there products. I took a RCEXL ignition with no plug and it will not spark outside the boot. I took the ignition from the RCGF and left the plug out and it will send the spark from here to what ever ! Might be where the interference is coming from.