Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly thread...
02-18-2012, 04:12 AM
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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly thread...
Goose!
Any boxes in the mail ??? I was fortunate enough to find out that a friend of mine had a spare HS5645 sitting in his shop. Are you using the metal arm or plastic?
Problem now is my servo tray is still in place and i only have access to 2 screws. Getting the servo in place should be easy just worried about getting to tighten them. Now that i see my tray, i think im too close to firewall.
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02-18-2012, 05:45 AM
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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly thread...
Nope. Another weekend stalled although I am adding all kinds of scale details... pix to come.
I'm using the plastic/GRP arm as it's longer than the supplied (blue) alloy one and I want better control of the throw.
I buggered up my tray install by screwing the servo in, then gluing the whole assembly in place. Then I had to take the servo out and had installed it too high and couldn't get the servo out of the tray because it hit the former. I had to cut the side out of the tray. It seems rigid enough so I left it like that. See pic.
Don't worry about the distance to the firewall... you are making a custom pushrod to fit.
Good luck!
Goose
I'm using the plastic/GRP arm as it's longer than the supplied (blue) alloy one and I want better control of the throw.
I buggered up my tray install by screwing the servo in, then gluing the whole assembly in place. Then I had to take the servo out and had installed it too high and couldn't get the servo out of the tray because it hit the former. I had to cut the side out of the tray. It seems rigid enough so I left it like that. See pic.
Don't worry about the distance to the firewall... you are making a custom pushrod to fit.
Good luck!
Goose
02-18-2012, 05:56 AM
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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly thread...
ORIGINAL: Tumalik
Goose,
Not that it would help.... I work in Saudi Arabia (great place to have a family and save). RC is a very sensitiveand controversial hobby in such a place that availabilty of materials and parts is almost ZERO. We order 80% of our stuff from the states or neighboring countries like the Emirates(dubai) or from china. Now imagine the distance and calculate all you want, numbers will always come up to a minimum of 40 -90% of the value of your items in shipping alone. Add the travel time + frustration of travel time + worry of the possibility of an item being held at customs + customs requesting you to drop by to do a little show and tell for them to release your parcel.... ARRRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!!
Now don't think i'm painting this nasty picture and making the country look like they are ultra conservative... its just RC!!!! that is alarming to them. Now to make it even better.... i can walk in through the airport with a 50 or 100cc aircraft and they would'nt even care...
Benefits= you cherish every screw you have
cons= emotional distress when you scratch your goodies/ airplane
SUPER cons= depression when you lose an airplane
Goose,
Not that it would help.... I work in Saudi Arabia (great place to have a family and save). RC is a very sensitiveand controversial hobby in such a place that availabilty of materials and parts is almost ZERO. We order 80% of our stuff from the states or neighboring countries like the Emirates(dubai) or from china. Now imagine the distance and calculate all you want, numbers will always come up to a minimum of 40 -90% of the value of your items in shipping alone. Add the travel time + frustration of travel time + worry of the possibility of an item being held at customs + customs requesting you to drop by to do a little show and tell for them to release your parcel.... ARRRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!!
Now don't think i'm painting this nasty picture and making the country look like they are ultra conservative... its just RC!!!! that is alarming to them. Now to make it even better.... i can walk in through the airport with a 50 or 100cc aircraft and they would'nt even care...
Benefits= you cherish every screw you have
cons= emotional distress when you scratch your goodies/ airplane
SUPER cons= depression when you lose an airplane
I find Canada extremely frustrating from a procurement perspective. Canada is physically connected to the US across the entire width of the country however some companies will not ship here, others will but you get raped by brokers getting stuff across the border, some will also ship but only with UPS which is very expensive and a few I deal with seem to have no problem getting things here cheaply.
The time to get it here is also a pain in the ass, my valve is a prime example... one month for a first class letter and tracking stopped two days after it was sent.
Get this, sometimes it is cheaper and less hassle (and on occasion the only option) for me to drive to a foreign country and pick it up myself. Thats like you driving to Yemen or UAE for a plane!
All this to say I couldn't deal with your situation... my lack of anger management would have me in jail.
So good on you for overcoming those challenges and it is sure ok to be upset when losing aircraft...
Cheers
Goose
02-18-2012, 06:10 AM
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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly thread...
Speaking of anger management!!! i think i need a few sessions...
I have done everything from rock climbing to paragliding. RC is by far the only one that has tamed the beast in me.I am shopping for a replacement aircraft to house my edge 540 guts.... nothing interesting in the market these days.
Oh btw! just incase you may have missed out on the HS 5645 history. They tend to be sloppy in centering, so i would give an allowance in Idle settings..
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02-18-2012, 06:36 AM
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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly thread...
Its the same exaxt setup and I did not need to cut out the big hole for the manifold of the nuffler. That is why I attached the photo.
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02-18-2012, 06:40 AM
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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly thread...
Right, I'm off to hack into my cowl and will adjust it to suit if and when my header/muffler show up!
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(Edit) Brian: Did you open up the three exit holes in the bottom of the cowl?
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(Edit) Brian: Did you open up the three exit holes in the bottom of the cowl?
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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly thread...
Hey Brian,
In reference to todays "cowl" subject. I was driving home and it hit me!!!! the reason your setup is different is because i messed up BIG TIME!!!!!!! aaarrrgghhhh! i hate my self....
My engine/standoff spacing should have been 173 mm from firewall to prop washer. My actual is 175 mm. That my friend cost me a 'could have been" clean cowl..... 2 mm changed the world
OOOhh! this is strike 2 for me this week on my build... Oh well! its my first gasser and yet another lesson to be learned (1mm in this hobby changes everything)
Thanks for pointing that out brian!
taimoor
In reference to todays "cowl" subject. I was driving home and it hit me!!!! the reason your setup is different is because i messed up BIG TIME!!!!!!! aaarrrgghhhh! i hate my self....
My engine/standoff spacing should have been 173 mm from firewall to prop washer. My actual is 175 mm. That my friend cost me a 'could have been" clean cowl..... 2 mm changed the world
OOOhh! this is strike 2 for me this week on my build... Oh well! its my first gasser and yet another lesson to be learned (1mm in this hobby changes everything)
Thanks for pointing that out brian!
taimoor
02-18-2012, 10:45 AM
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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly thread...
Hey Tumalik...
Don't be so hard on yourself man, 2mm is bugger all on a cowl cut out and yours is by no means a screw-up.
I spent ages on my Ultimate cowl nibbling away at it for an absolutely perfect fit... 1mm all around the engine head and spark cap... man was I happy with that. The plane dead-sticked the first two flights... guess why?
Overheated.
I went home and opened it up by an additional 3-4mm all around and never had another overheating problem.
Like you say, this is a learning experience and we all get better each time.
Enjoy!
Goose
Don't be so hard on yourself man, 2mm is bugger all on a cowl cut out and yours is by no means a screw-up.
I spent ages on my Ultimate cowl nibbling away at it for an absolutely perfect fit... 1mm all around the engine head and spark cap... man was I happy with that. The plane dead-sticked the first two flights... guess why?
Overheated.
I went home and opened it up by an additional 3-4mm all around and never had another overheating problem.
Like you say, this is a learning experience and we all get better each time.
Enjoy!
Goose
02-18-2012, 11:07 AM
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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly thread...
Update:
Pic 1: I was never very happy with my replication of Dzus fasteners and took the spare time on my hands to try a few techniques I had been thinking about. Think I got it to a point that I'm happy
Pic 2: Final installation of the throttle pushrod.
Pic 3: It's cowl cutting time. That blurry tool (not me) is a 2" saw blade in the Dremel and works a treat. Gotta watch your fingers though!
Pic 4: Cowl in place, had to put the prop and spinner on. Yes I painted the scale white tips and LE protective strips on.
Pic 5: It's not the best cowl cut out I have done, but once it's done, it's done!
Pic 6: Cowl bolts confused me. The bottom ones (in this shot) are 440 sized, the top ones are 632's? RTL Fasteners save my a55 again. You will need to drill out the bonded washers for the larger top bolts.
Pic 7: These are the top cowl bolts I was talking about. Throttle pushrod installed.
The engine doesn't align exactly in the centre of the cowl and will need adjusting, same for the gap between spinner backplate and cowl. Too much at around 4-5mm.
Cheers
Goose
Pic 1: I was never very happy with my replication of Dzus fasteners and took the spare time on my hands to try a few techniques I had been thinking about. Think I got it to a point that I'm happy
Pic 2: Final installation of the throttle pushrod.
Pic 3: It's cowl cutting time. That blurry tool (not me) is a 2" saw blade in the Dremel and works a treat. Gotta watch your fingers though!
Pic 4: Cowl in place, had to put the prop and spinner on. Yes I painted the scale white tips and LE protective strips on.
Pic 5: It's not the best cowl cut out I have done, but once it's done, it's done!
Pic 6: Cowl bolts confused me. The bottom ones (in this shot) are 440 sized, the top ones are 632's? RTL Fasteners save my a55 again. You will need to drill out the bonded washers for the larger top bolts.
Pic 7: These are the top cowl bolts I was talking about. Throttle pushrod installed.
The engine doesn't align exactly in the centre of the cowl and will need adjusting, same for the gap between spinner backplate and cowl. Too much at around 4-5mm.
Cheers
Goose
02-18-2012, 12:40 PM
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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly thread...
Goose,
Great job amigo. Love the prop and spinner!!! if all goes well after maiden, i will surely ask you for specs and order me some. Wifey was behind me and complementing your edge (she said my yellow sucks!)
Take a look at my spacing, its a killer. Though i doubt even if i go back 2 or 3 mm that i would avoid the manifold...
I have a few i deas in mind for later (mesh or something that could replicate grills.... dont really know where to start, but i will keep you posted and maybe have you help.
Throttle is done on mine and the hitec is super smooth! Left with decals, throws and CG...
I tend to pressure my self too much, yet i seem to forget this is only my 15th month in the hobby.
Have a warm weekend
Taimoor
Great job amigo. Love the prop and spinner!!! if all goes well after maiden, i will surely ask you for specs and order me some. Wifey was behind me and complementing your edge (she said my yellow sucks!)
Take a look at my spacing, its a killer. Though i doubt even if i go back 2 or 3 mm that i would avoid the manifold...
I have a few i deas in mind for later (mesh or something that could replicate grills.... dont really know where to start, but i will keep you posted and maybe have you help.
Throttle is done on mine and the hitec is super smooth! Left with decals, throws and CG...
I tend to pressure my self too much, yet i seem to forget this is only my 15th month in the hobby.
Have a warm weekend
Taimoor
02-18-2012, 01:26 PM
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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly thread...
Wives eh? Few know of the blood, sweat and tears that go into these
Your gap is perhaps 1mm more than mine, and I'm not happy with that, so I am pulling out one (4) of the AW supplied packing disks and replacing them with washers.
See how that goes.
You could do the same.
Goose
Your gap is perhaps 1mm more than mine, and I'm not happy with that, so I am pulling out one (4) of the AW supplied packing disks and replacing them with washers.
See how that goes.
You could do the same.
Goose
02-18-2012, 02:08 PM
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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly thread...
Tumalik...
In one of your earlier pictures, I saw you had one of the AW supplied machined packing disks between your standoffs and the firewall.
Each of those are 6mm thick. Pull them out and replace them with washers which I know may be hard to get there, but they are nothing special. Use 3 and you lose 3mm.
Here's how I just corrected mine:
Pic 1: Two packing disks to get my engine to where AW says it should be... good starting point but too generous.
Pic 2: One disk removed and replaced with washers (I was short so made a couple from scrap aluminium)
Pic 3: Problem solved... I have a 1mm gap all around.
Get to it mate.
Goose
In one of your earlier pictures, I saw you had one of the AW supplied machined packing disks between your standoffs and the firewall.
Each of those are 6mm thick. Pull them out and replace them with washers which I know may be hard to get there, but they are nothing special. Use 3 and you lose 3mm.
Here's how I just corrected mine:
Pic 1: Two packing disks to get my engine to where AW says it should be... good starting point but too generous.
Pic 2: One disk removed and replaced with washers (I was short so made a couple from scrap aluminium)
Pic 3: Problem solved... I have a 1mm gap all around.
Get to it mate.
Goose
02-18-2012, 03:25 PM
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Looks good Goose. I mounted the DA-60 this afternoon on mine. I really had to open up the firewall. I used the drill guide as a template and it worked well but took a lot of time. The carb on the DA-60 must be furtther back than it is on the 50. My choke arm,fuel nipple, retaining bolts, throttle arm, all needed to fit into the hole in the center of the firewall. The thrust washer on the Extra is 6-5/8" from the firewall. Is this about what the Edge is? Or is the difference really in the engine?
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02-18-2012, 03:43 PM
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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly thread...
Thanks David...
Wow, the 60 sounds a lot bigger around the carb. The thrust washer on the Edge is 6 13/16" from the firewall so I would say you have a lot more engine aft of the mounting flanges.
Cheers
Goose
Wow, the 60 sounds a lot bigger around the carb. The thrust washer on the Edge is 6 13/16" from the firewall so I would say you have a lot more engine aft of the mounting flanges.
Cheers
Goose
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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly thread...
Tumalik, just some 2c, ditch the metal clevis on your choke arm & put a ball link on, metal to metal is No Good in Gassers, causes radio noise.
02-18-2012, 07:56 PM
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You gotta check this out Goose.........http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_10964563/tm.htm
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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly thread...
ORIGINAL: SkyPilot101
Tumalik, just some 2c, ditch the metal clevis on your choke arm & put a ball link on, metal to metal is No Good in Gassers, causes radio noise.
Tumalik, just some 2c, ditch the metal clevis on your choke arm & put a ball link on, metal to metal is No Good in Gassers, causes radio noise.
Good advice for moving parts... thanks.
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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly thread...
ORIGINAL: daveopam
Goose, your work never ceases to amaze me. All you need now is a minuture soda bottle to hang on the blow by line next the tail wheel.
David
Goose, your work never ceases to amaze me. All you need now is a minuture soda bottle to hang on the blow by line next the tail wheel.
David
I need a what on the what by the what?
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You gotta check this out Goose.........http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_10964563/tm.htm
You gotta check this out Goose.........http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_10964563/tm.htm
Hmmm....
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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly thread...
Goose,
Was working on it as you posted. 3 mm is exactly what i measured! so i kind of freaked out when you mentioned it... That fuel dot is insane!!!!!! (nice one david!).... makes me want to hhhhmmmm,???? take mine off (slow down little one '''''').
3 bladed prop and a carbon spinner ROCKS!!!!! is the pitch that high? i thought the rule is 1 step up or down on pitch or length???
Went on jet photos to round up a few ideas on decal placement and will be printing this week...
Enjoy your day guys!
Taimoor
Was working on it as you posted. 3 mm is exactly what i measured! so i kind of freaked out when you mentioned it... That fuel dot is insane!!!!!! (nice one david!).... makes me want to hhhhmmmm,???? take mine off (slow down little one '''''').
3 bladed prop and a carbon spinner ROCKS!!!!! is the pitch that high? i thought the rule is 1 step up or down on pitch or length???Went on jet photos to round up a few ideas on decal placement and will be printing this week...
Enjoy your day guys!
Taimoor
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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly thread...
ORIGINAL: v6goose
Metal to metal contact is only a problem for moving parts. Tumalik's clevis moves against the fibreglass horn so no problem.
Good advice for moving parts... thanks.
Goose
ORIGINAL: SkyPilot101
Tumalik, just some 2c, ditch the metal clevis on your choke arm & put a ball link on, metal to metal is No Good in Gassers, causes radio noise.
Tumalik, just some 2c, ditch the metal clevis on your choke arm & put a ball link on, metal to metal is No Good in Gassers, causes radio noise.
Good advice for moving parts... thanks.
Goose
Goose, the throttle is connected by a metal clevis to fiberglass horn, I refered to the choke, metal clevis to metal choke arm, I don't do that. That metal clevis is going to buzz in the choke arms oversize hole. just trying to point this out. Concerning the throttle servo that burnt up, just make shure that it's not stalled out at the end of the throttle travel, the only other servo I've seen melt down like that was a mechanical retract servo that had binded linkage.
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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly thread...
Goose, the throttle is connected by a metal clevis to fiberglass horn, I refered to the choke, metal clevis to metal choke arm, I don't do that. That metal clevis is going to buzz in the choke arms oversize hole. just trying to point this out. Concerning the throttle servo that burnt up, just make shure that it's not stalled out at the end of the throttle travel, the only other servo I've seen melt down like that was a mechanical retract servo that had binded linkage.
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Skypilot101,
Thank you for mentioning the choke clevis. My 4-40 ball wont fit in the choke arm and that is why i used the clevis. Do you drill it? i try to avoid drilling parts on the engine...
As for the throttle servo i lost.. I highly doubt it was due to binding as it visually looked free and my throttle spring was released. My first guess would be a faulty board on the servo. Second would be too much messing with my end points (i think at a point it was 30 % / 88%), but highly doubt that it was over travelling and if it did it would have been no more than a second or two in max deflection.
Thanks for the tips.
Taimoor