They are distributed by Horizon Hobby. I was looking at a new one at the LHS. It looks impressive enough. Both needles are on the arm side of the carb(This is wrong. See another post down below w8ye ). The High speed needle has stops on it. You can move it probably 80 degrees. The low speed needle looks like most current engines low speed needle but the high speed is a disk like the low speed on a Perry carb.

It was or appeared to be ABC.

I looked underneath the lugs and there it said "Made In China" in the same type face used by The South Aero Engine Company in Human, China. Read that as Magnum/ASP/SC/SY.

Enjoy,

Jim

Is this the same one as on the hangar 9 trainer?(alpha) I'd like to say good engine, LOTS of power, and a E-Z handler. I bought one of the Alpha trainers to train the "newbies" on, and had nothing but good to say on the whole set up! Starts with one backflip of the spinner.-The muffler is VERY restricted, and the carb is a little different than the one you describe. Works great though.


Jetts

I forgot to put that in there but it has the Alpha symbol on the right and left side of the head. It's the same engine that is in the Hanger 9 Trainer.

Jim

Thanks, Jim.
I may trade the evo for the magnum52 I have on my aresti 40.
Put the 4 stroke on the trainer for them to play with. If I do I'll take the muffler off, and look in there. Seems like an ABC/ABN-tight at the top. Like I said the muffler has a baffle plate that has 8 holes partialy punched through, I opened them up a little, and it didn't get any louder, although it should increase the power by about 25% if I take it out! The present holes are about 5% of the total area of the plate, and maybe add up to 50% of the muffler outlet area.
Anyone have any time on one of these- I have a couple of hours of run time on mine. Good engine, just wonder how it would be to remove the flywheel, and baffle and let 'er rip!

Jetts

Is this the engine that comes with the H9 Alpha? So it's a 46. Does it come with the 3 blad prop? Is it a BB engine or a brushing? I'd like to find out some more info in regards to it's performance compared to one of the tried and true 46s out there (TT Pro-46 or OS 46FX).

Thanks!

f2R,

Yes, that one. It comes w/ the three bladed pro on the trainer, but I don't know if it comes with a prop at the HS, or for that matter if it comes with the flywheel. From the looks of the case, it appears to be a B.B. engine, but you know what they say about looks.
As I said, I may take it off the Trainer, and trade it with the eng. on my Aresti- if I do I'll take it apart and let you know. Might be a better idea to get a hold of H9 and ask the hard questions to them, I have been known to procrastinate
I will say it has a fairly large intake, and until I heard it was a .46, I wasn't sure it wasn't a .51 or .53! I know it's a bit strange given the amount of time I've been in the hobby (15 yrs.) but I don't have a tach, that being said, I will say this thing turns an 11X6 with great gusto! :spinnyeye

Jetts

You're making me wonder now but I remember it as saying .46 on the engine box.

It also appeared to be BB. It had the tight kick at the top of the compression stroke. There was a 3 blade prop and flywheel in the engine box. The exhaust port in the sleeve seemed to be generous in size.

If anyone is interested and close enough to the store, they had it at the Capstone Hobby Shop in Columbus (Westerville), Ohio. They also had an Alpha RTF Trainer w/engine, etc in stock.

Jim

http://www.horizonhobby.com/shared/t...100-manual.pdf

I found the manual on the Horizon web site and it says it is .455 c.i. and in the parts section, it list the front and rear Ball Bearings. I was wrong about the needle valves. The low speed is the only one on the throttle arm side of the carb. It has a disk on it that restricts the adjustment range.

In the manual, they show the high speed as being remote on the rear in the usual location and it appears to have a disk on it. I didn't notice this when looking at the engine.

Jim

Jim,

That's the one. I said "heard it was a .46" because when I first got it, The Man at the HS said that "Hangar 9 wouldn't say for sure but was between a 46 and 50"!
So much for "the secret" :devious:
Thanks for the info!!

Jetts

Interesting I wonder how it performs against the standard 46s out there?

Hi All,

I have one of those Hangar 9's with the evolution .45 on it. The people who saw if fly the first few flights weren't all that impressed with it. After I broke the three blade prop making my first landing, (I walked away unharmed, so it was a good landing), I put on a two blade 10x6. Everyone who sees/hears it fly now is pretty impressed? It's a much happier plane.

When you buy the engine alone it does come with the three blade prop (too bad), the fly wheel, and the spinner. If you buy the engine, I would think you would want to toss the 3-blade and keep the flywhee. It allows it to idle VERY slowly. Deadstick landings practice without the dead stick! No real deadsticks after about a gallon and a half, except for running out of fuel.

I bought a WM Super Sports 40 with a TT .46 Pro on it and I've been think of swapping engines to satisfy my own curiousity.

What kind of comparision would you like to see? Subjective on the performance? I'm sure I can find someone to put my SS40 thru its paces with it mounted. Time to climb? Static thrust for the same prop(s)? ???

Let me know, I'm open for suggestions...

Cheers!

Cub

Some tach readings would be nice. Thanks.

Oh yeah ... two motors, a couple props, tach readings ... what could be simpler!

Oh yeah, first I have to go get a tachometer...

... any suggestions?

Usually can find a couple for sale in the "small stuff under $30" section on this forum. most can be had for $15- $20.

Jim, I know magnum and ASP but who are "SC" and "SY' ???

The other two brands (SC & SY) are seen in other countries besides the US. 'SC' is for SUPER CUSTOM. Seems as though they are more prominent in areas that trade with or have trade agreements with some distributor in England. Off hand, I cannot remember their name. Whoever it was, it seems like Just Engines in England has stolen their show and Just Engines sells the ASP label.

The SY's are not very common.

On the ASP boxes, it says something like 'ISC International' which I always thought to have something to do with Indy RC back years ago. They used to be the distributor in the US you know. But maybe not? Because if you notice, 'SC' is part of that name too and the same name is still on the boxes.

Someone from England or Australia is probably going to jump in and save me on this one?

Enjoy,

Jim

For those who want to know...

I have a 10 x 6 master airscrew on my .45 Evolution engine. It tachs out at 14500 RPM and 4.25 lbs of pull. With a listed upper limit 16,000 RPM, it seems like 10x6 is just about right for the motor.

The Thunder Tiger .46 Pro has 'basically' the same recommended RPM range and doesn't even list the 10 x 6 as one of its options. The smallest recommend prop for the TT46 Pro is 10.5 X 6, which I suspect would probably put it at its 17,000 RPM limit. So my neo-flight instincts tell me the TT 46 Pro is stronger, perhaps much stronger.

I think that the Evolution motor is fine for trainer duty. Easy to start, runs smooth, not over powering. Using displacement to generate moderate horsepower, I think it should provide reliable use if its not overworked. At this point, I'm not likely to buy another ...

Of course that's just my newbie opinion. When I get a few more gallon of experience I might have changed my mind. I'll certainly have changed engines on the alpha and will let you know how it performs.

Cheers!

Cub

I bought a hangar 9 alpha trainer and I havent decided whether or not i like the darn thing. It has ran good for about 10-15 flights but on cold days, and some regular days, it seems like it just will not idle at the same place each time i start it. When going from a low idle to full throttle, it always dies and i cant ever get it trimmed consistently. Does anyone know what the problem might be. Has anyone else had similar trouble? Could someone tell me their opionion on this engine or any possible solutions to get this Evolution running right?

thankxxx
superpimpN

Hi!
Imcub you would be better of putting a APC 11x6 on your .45 engine! A 10x6 Master at 14500 rpm is just putting out a lot of noice and does not produce as much "thrust" as a APC 11x6 would and at lower rpm. 14500rpm is way to much rpm for a trainer aircraft if you want to fly in a relaxed maner!
A TT.46 will not swing a APC 10,5x6 at anything near 17000rpm but a 9x6 APC might reach that rpm.

SuperpimpN have you adjusted the needles on your engine ? (I know that the Evolution does have an idiot safe needle system but you certainly must have the possibility to adjust the carb needles do you...??


Regards!
Jan K
Sweden

The original prop was something close to a 11-4 three blade.

Jim

Jaka,

I tried ground testing an 11x6 Master Airscrew on it back in December. I had to lean it all the way out to the "beginner" adjustment stop just to get it to 2C at 12,000 RPM. I figured this lean was probably not a good idea so I put the 10x6 back on it and the connecting rod snapped the next time I started it up.

I took it back to my LHS, told them the steps I had taken, and they sent it in for a warranty replacement. I don't think the motor that came back broken in (which is ok by me), but like superpimpN, I haven't been able to get it run correctly. The air adjustment keeps moving on me.

Yes, I've taken it to the field and had a couple very experinced models try to help me. Best guess by the guys at the field is it has an air leak somewhere.

After dying and dumping my plane in the weeds twice during take off, I took the e46 off and haven't looked at it since.

I'm on my second plane and have the alpha put away until I can get my nephew started on it. When that time comes, I'll probably give the evolution 45 one more try before putting an OS 40 FX on it.

IMO, the e46 is probably ok for it's intended purpose, ie getting you in the air. I appreciate the attempts by the manufacturor to get it fixed, but I would hold high expectations for having it for a long and useful life when moving it on to a second plane.

One thing, they need to give a range of recommended propellers. At $5 a crack, the OEM props are sort of pricey, not likely to be found in anyones field box when busted, and is likely to be the first adjustment made to the alpha, and would keep others from making the same mistake I did (if I did make a mistake that is).

Cheers!

Imcub and Jaka.
i have the alpha and we had the same problem. this is what we did ... (1) had two change the fuel line from the tank to the needle valve, and from there to carb. both had pin holes in them. (2) had to change fuel, i'm running proformance plus 15%. haven't had to mess with any needle settings since.. love this plane and motor. oh yeah throw the 3 blade away. running 11x6 just great.... spooner

I am buying a Extra Easy II with with the Evo .46 engine There seems to be some disagreement over what prop to replace the three blade with 10X6 Vs. 11X6 Which way do I go??


Michael

Forgot to ask, do I dump the flywheel when I switch to a two blade prop??

Michael

It seems like more and more models of the Evolution engine are showing up in the ads these days with sizes ranging from 40 on up, maybe even to a 61. It looked to me like one of the smaller ones was a bushing engine and cheaper priced, while the NT series were ball bearing engines.

More than likely the 3 bladed prop will give beginners a bit more ground clearance. The engine should spool up quicker without the flywheel but not idle quite as slowly. A 2 bladed APC will add some weight without needing the flywheel.... maybe a good compromise.

Ernie