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Old 08-03-2010 | 08:33 PM
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I have a pair of new/old webra speed .40's these engines are abc, wtih dynamix carbs, and need strap on type mufflers. There are no muffler mount lugs cast into the cases.

Can anyone tell me more about these engines? What vintage would they be? I know the later speed 40's came in ABN and ringed flavors, these are chrome bore with no rings (abc) and I can find very little info on this configuration.


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Here is a review of the Webra 50. Same construction.

http://www.rcmplans.com/issues/reque...011991-1-1.pdf

I love Webra engines but they "used to" to have problems with their mufflers and the way they attached them. From what I understand the strap-on mufflers didn't put any strain on the engine case (bolts running next to the cylinder) that could affect the shape of the cylinder. They would/could "pop off" without destroying the engine case in a crash.

They later drilled and tapped the case and provided a muffler that screwed into the case Old Webra 50 comes to mind with the giant tube muffler.

After that they redesigned the case and added additional material "lugs" to the outside for a bolt-through muffler.

Try and find a muffler and run-em. They're great engines. Very well made.

Just a note you might find helpful.

Try and find the muffler with the flanges on the top and bottom of the muffler where it attaches to the engine case. The flanged muffler was used on your style engine and kept it from moving. The latter mufflers were sent out with the flanges milled off (because they were bolt on...) Both these are bolt-on but the flanged one can be used with a strap if you drill and tap the sides like the one shown in the review.

Like I said, It's like they spent all the engineering money on the engine and the muffler was an after-thought.....
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Old 08-03-2010 | 11:21 PM
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I guess I should have mentioned that I do have the webra strap-on mufflers. BTW, the mufflers have a large outlet, I hope I can get enough tank pressure for the dynamix carb to function properly.

Here is a (poor) picture of one of the engines and a muffler.

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Old 08-04-2010 | 01:30 AM
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Those true ABC Webra's are fantastic engines. I have never had a problem using the strap-on Webra muffler like you have. Just don't over tighten them. The muffler is loud. I have used them as strap-on's with my OS fsr's and MVVS and really like the muffler.
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I love Webra engines and have been using them for years. I have a couple of engines identical to yours and can only tell you that they were introduced in 1975. I don't remember when they made the change to ABN cylinders.
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Here is a review of the Webra 50. Same construction.

http://www.rcmplans.com/issues/reque...011991-1-1.pdf

I love Webra engines but they ''used to'' to have problems with their mufflers and the way they attached them. From what I understand the strap-on mufflers didn't put any strain on the engine case (bolts running next to the cylinder) that could affect the shape of the cylinder. They would/could ''pop off'' without destroying the engine case in a crash.

They later drilled and tapped the case and provided a muffler that screwed into the case Old Webra 50 comes to mind with the giant tube muffler.

After that they redesigned the case and added additional material ''lugs'' to the outside for a bolt-through muffler.

Try and find a muffler and run-em. They're great engines. Very well made.

Just a note you might find helpful.

Try and find the muffler with the flanges on the top and bottom of the muffler where it attaches to the engine case. The flanged muffler was used on your style engine and kept it from moving. The latter mufflers were sent out with the flanges milled off (because they were bolt on...) Both these are bolt-on but the flanged one can be used with a strap if you drill and tap the sides like the one shown in the review.

Like I said, It's like they spent all the engineering money on the engine and the muffler was an after-thought.....


Originally, Webra Speed engines were intended for use with a tuned pipe, so no muffler was included with the engine. Buying a Webra and putting a muffler on it is tantamount to buying a YS two-stroke and putting a muffler on that engine. It is a complete waste of money and it usually indicates that the owner doesn't understand the engine's purpose. Kind of like driving a Ferrarri racing car to work on weekdays.


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I love Webra engines and have been using them for years. I have a couple of engines identical to yours and can only tell you that they were introduced in 1975. I don't remember when they made the change to ABN cylinders.


I love Webra schneurle ported engines.

Never owned a baffle piston Webra and from what I've seen of the Silverline series, I don't want to own one of them either. Some people can do cheap well and some people cannot (Webra & K&B).


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The Silverline was a bad engine, designed to compete with the OS 40 FP and other chaep 40's. Most other Webra's, including yours are strong and reliable, with or without pipe, although the pipe will seriously increase high RPM. The strap on muffler will work fine -
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"Buying a Webra and putting a muffler on it is tantamount to buying a YS two-stroke and putting a muffler on that engine."



I've always thought that about YS engines also. I do have a 40 size strap on header that would fit, and I have a ultrathrust muffler, but I would need to make an adapter for that to fit.
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Here is a review of the Webra 50. Same construction.

http://www.rcmplans.com/issues/reque...011991-1-1.pdf

I love Webra engines but they ''used to'' to have problems with their mufflers and the way they attached them. From what I understand the strap-on mufflers didn't put any strain on the engine case (bolts running next to the cylinder) that could affect the shape of the cylinder. They would/could ''pop off'' without destroying the engine case in a crash.

They later drilled and tapped the case and provided a muffler that screwed into the case Old Webra 50 comes to mind with the giant tube muffler.

After that they redesigned the case and added additional material ''lugs'' to the outside for a bolt-through muffler.

Try and find a muffler and run-em. They're great engines. Very well made.

Just a note you might find helpful.

Try and find the muffler with the flanges on the top and bottom of the muffler where it attaches to the engine case. The flanged muffler was used on your style engine and kept it from moving. The latter mufflers were sent out with the flanges milled off (because they were bolt on...) Both these are bolt-on but the flanged one can be used with a strap if you drill and tap the sides like the one shown in the review.

Like I said, It's like they spent all the engineering money on the engine and the muffler was an after-thought.....


Originally, Webra Speed engines were intended for use with a tuned pipe, so no muffler was included with the engine. Buying a Webra and putting a muffler on it is tantamount to buying a YS two-stroke and putting a muffler on that engine. It is a complete waste of money and it usually indicates that the owner doesn't understand the engine's purpose. Kind of like driving a Ferrarri racing car to work on weekdays.


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Where does it say that?....Webra sells a muffler for this engine....? [sm=confused.gif] Why would it be a complete waste of money?

I was even able to get mine to run without having to carve up and fit an HB carburetor.....

Mine runs great with a muffler. In fact all of my Webra engines run great with mufflers.

Even the ones that are made to run with tuned pipes.[sm=tongue_smile.gif]



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Just my opinion, but I'll take a "cheap" (as Ed puts it) German/Austrian made engine (Webra, HB) over a China made engine any day. If for nothing else than the quality of materials used to make the engine, the accuracy of machine work. etc.

If your going to buy "Cheap" you may as well buy "long lasting" cheap that will hold its value when your done with it.
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Just my opinion, but I'll take a ''cheap'' (as Ed puts it) German/Austrian made engine (Webra, HB) over a China made engine any day. If for nothing else than the quality of materials used to make the engine, the accuracy of machine work. etc.

If your going to buy ''Cheap'' you may as well buy ''long lasting'' cheap that will hold its value when your done with it.


The last of the baffle piston engines were known as the black head series. They were top of the line engines. The Silverline, while resembling the black head line, is different in many ways.

An old school modeler who is used to long, methodical break-ins will get along just fine with the Silverline series. Modern modelers who cut their engine teeth using OS Engines will struggle, curse and usually give up before a Silverline is through break-in. This does not make the Silverline series bad engines. It simply means that they were out of touch with the market place when they introduced the Silverline series. I don't even know if they are still being manufactured. Anyone?


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Just my opinion, but I'll take a ''cheap'' (as Ed puts it) German/Austrian made engine (Webra, HB) over a China made engine any day. If for nothing else than the quality of materials used to make the engine, the accuracy of machine work. etc.

If your going to buy ''Cheap'' you may as well buy ''long lasting'' cheap that will hold its value when your done with it.


The last of the baffle piston engines were known as the black head series. They were top of the line engines. The Silverline, while resembling the black head line, is different in many ways.

An old school modeler who is used to long, methodical break-ins will get along just fine with the Silverline series. Modern modelers who cut their engine teeth using OS Engines will struggle, curse and usually give up before a Silverline is through break-in. This does not make the Silverline series bad engines. It simply means that they were out of touch with the market place when they introduced the Silverline series. I don't even know if they are still being manufactured. Anyone?


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Here is the current lineup of webra goodness.


http://www.webra-austria.at/motor.php?lang=EN

There are no more .40's here.
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Here is a review of the Webra 50. Same construction.

http://www.rcmplans.com/issues/reque...011991-1-1.pdf

I love Webra engines but they ''used to'' to have problems with their mufflers and the way they attached them. From what I understand the strap-on mufflers didn't put any strain on the engine case (bolts running next to the cylinder) that could affect the shape of the cylinder. They would/could ''pop off'' without destroying the engine case in a crash.

They later drilled and tapped the case and provided a muffler that screwed into the case Old Webra 50 comes to mind with the giant tube muffler.

After that they redesigned the case and added additional material ''lugs'' to the outside for a bolt-through muffler.

Try and find a muffler and run-em. They're great engines. Very well made.

Just a note you might find helpful.

Try and find the muffler with the flanges on the top and bottom of the muffler where it attaches to the engine case. The flanged muffler was used on your style engine and kept it from moving. The latter mufflers were sent out with the flanges milled off (because they were bolt on...) Both these are bolt-on but the flanged one can be used with a strap if you drill and tap the sides like the one shown in the review.

Like I said, It's like they spent all the engineering money on the engine and the muffler was an after-thought.....


Originally, Webra Speed engines were intended for use with a tuned pipe, so no muffler was included with the engine. Buying a Webra and putting a muffler on it is tantamount to buying a YS two-stroke and putting a muffler on that engine. It is a complete waste of money and it usually indicates that the owner doesn't understand the engine's purpose. Kind of like driving a Ferrarri racing car to work on weekdays.


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Where does it say that?....Webra sells a muffler for this engine....? [sm=confused.gif] Why would it be a complete waste of money?

I was even able to get mine to run without having to carve up and fit an HB carburetor.....

Mine runs great with a muffler. In fact all of my Webra engines run great with mufflers.

Even the ones that are made to run with tuned pipes.[sm=tongue_smile.gif]


Why would someone pay a lot more for a Webra or YS schneurle ported engine, only to choke it down with a foul muffler that limits its power to K&B .40 levels? Buy the K&B .40 and put the money you save in your pocket. No, I'm not going to explain simple economics to you...


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Just go to "Spare Parts" then click "AERO". All the parts are available for the .40 and .60 size engines as well as all the "Speed" Series engines.
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Here is a review of the Webra 50. Same construction.

http://www.rcmplans.com/issues/reque...011991-1-1.pdf

I love Webra engines but they ''used to'' to have problems with their mufflers and the way they attached them. From what I understand the strap-on mufflers didn't put any strain on the engine case (bolts running next to the cylinder) that could affect the shape of the cylinder. They would/could ''pop off'' without destroying the engine case in a crash.

They later drilled and tapped the case and provided a muffler that screwed into the case Old Webra 50 comes to mind with the giant tube muffler.

After that they redesigned the case and added additional material ''lugs'' to the outside for a bolt-through muffler.

Try and find a muffler and run-em. They're great engines. Very well made.

Just a note you might find helpful.

Try and find the muffler with the flanges on the top and bottom of the muffler where it attaches to the engine case. The flanged muffler was used on your style engine and kept it from moving. The latter mufflers were sent out with the flanges milled off (because they were bolt on...) Both these are bolt-on but the flanged one can be used with a strap if you drill and tap the sides like the one shown in the review.

Like I said, It's like they spent all the engineering money on the engine and the muffler was an after-thought.....


Originally, Webra Speed engines were intended for use with a tuned pipe, so no muffler was included with the engine. Buying a Webra and putting a muffler on it is tantamount to buying a YS two-stroke and putting a muffler on that engine. It is a complete waste of money and it usually indicates that the owner doesn't understand the engine's purpose. Kind of like driving a Ferrarri racing car to work on weekdays.


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Where does it say that?....Webra sells a muffler for this engine....? [sm=confused.gif] Why would it be a complete waste of money?

I was even able to get mine to run without having to carve up and fit an HB carburetor.....

Mine runs great with a muffler. In fact all of my Webra engines run great with mufflers.

Even the ones that are made to run with tuned pipes.[sm=tongue_smile.gif]


Why would someone pay a lot more for a Webra or YS schneurle ported engine, only to choke it down with a foul muffler that limits its power to K&B .40 levels? Buy the K&B .40 and put the money you save in your pocket. No, I'm not going to explain simple economics to you...


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http://www.rcmplans.com/issues/reque...011991-1-1.pdf

Ed, they run pretty good all choked down with the stock muffler. Even better with a Jett Stream muffler.

I can think of a lot of reasons to pay a little more for good quality engines. Do you still want to swap "both" of your ASP 1.08's for my OS 1.20? I don't....

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I have had great results using mufflers with my Webra's. They do seem to respond to a pipe better than some other brands. I have used them with both types and been happy each way. Webra is my favorite brand of engine as a line. I seem to have more of them than any other brand (by choice). I hope you will enjoy using your Webra as much as I have.
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I have used Webra schneurle ported engines with mousse can pipes. I don't know if one should consider those resonant exhaust systems or not. But they do respond to length adjustments.

In the case of using MCP's, the lightweight and the broadband tuning effect are very conducive to fun fly/3D flying.

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Hi, anyone of you had used one of the newer Webra 40 Speed GT (ABN)?
Its a nice engine?
I heard excellent thinks about this engine, like a excellent carburettor and fuel draw and nice power.
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Hi, anyone of you had used one of the newer Webra 40 Speed GT (ABN)?
Its a nice engine?
I heard excellent thinks about this engine, like a excellent carburettor and fuel draw and nice power.

Yes, they are very nice engines...great power and throttle response.
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Broken Wings. You make me weary, much like when trying to deal with loughbd in the past. I'm just not up to jousting with words these days. In other words, I don't want to play. Find someone else to torment. So much for being friends...


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Maybe you just need a nap.

I'd feel bad loosing you as a friend just because I use the factory mufflers on my Webra engines. I'm sorry you think less of me because of it.

I'm happy with my choices.....
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I haver just acquired a WEBRA .40 Schneurle from an estate sale, my first Webra, very impressive.

However, it has no muffler and no way of mounting one with screws. It must have used a "strap on" muffler. Like the onse shown earlier in this thread.

It also has a boss and screw at the back part way up the cylinder ... can't imagine what that would have been for.

Now that Webra are gone, is there anywhere I can get a "Strap on" muffler to suit it? Does anyone have a spares inventory?

It's far to nice to keep in box. I want to run it.

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They turn up on ebay from time to time.
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This same ABC setup was used on the later Q500 version of the Webra .40.

It is still considered one of the most powerful Sport Quickie engines.


You can ask [link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/community/profile.cfm?memid=23837]jaka[/link] in this forum about it.


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