Hey Shepard - why don't ya play around with the images, start a covering idea thread and see what kinda craziness you can get into?

Hey Shepard, Looks like your Hog is coming on! The pilot appears up to the job......Judging by the bolts through the cabane, you did the reverse trick? I didn't use film covering, so i don't know how much help i can be. I do know that the addition of the (heavier) Worldtex made a 'fat girl' even heavier. All in all it flies well considering an empty weight (no fuel) of 9 1/2 lbs.

Because of time constraints, transportation problems with my Jeep, and getting my glasses situation straightened out my flight time has been limited. In fact i had the first decent session with the airplane last weekend. I do not know how far you are along with your build, but i would definately make provisions to move the gear forward. My thinking during my build was that the designer knows best and that was an error. I am going to try blocking the gear forward and hopefully that will be enough to get the handling problems under control.

John has a good idea on the images, and i appreciate you putting them on the thread. Hopefully that will help get you started with your blank sheet of canvas.

Have you got the base covering on the wings yet? If not, i will post some pics of the way i handled the Wordtex on the parts around the interplane strut mounts. Mine came out as near perfect as you could want. (One of the few things that did

Good luck and i believe you have a thread......will look in on you and see how you are coming along. Steve

Hey Steve this thread made me quit putting off finishing my hog bipe. After 6 1/2 years I finally have it ready to maiden. As soon as the rain quits and the field dries up I will let you guys know how it goes.

Good luck with the jeep. I loved my 89 wrangler but that thing was a pain in the butt. Finally had to pass it off to someone else.

Thanks John, My plan is to use the color as shown on the box (red with white star burst) . I am a beginner at covering and I am envious of the craftmanship of the builders on this thread.

I am using 21st Century fabric because it is easier to work with. I have a Saito 100 ready for the fat girl so I am not too worried about the weight. I am going to use a 60 size gear from a Hangar 9 plane and turn it around so the wheels are well forward to cut down on nose overs

Hey Squirrel ! We are all listening out for when you do your maiden flight so please let us know how you came out

Well just coming back from the flying field from the maiden flight. Things didnt go good at all. It handled good on the ground after I did a few taxis. Lined it up and applied the throttle and let the tail come up. It took off great and I reached a good altitude and did a few circles while I was doing some trimming. All of a sudden I lost signal and you guys can guess how this story ends. Dont know what happen but never had a plane do that before. I would rather wreck them from dumb thumbs than something like this. Its all part of the hobby I guess.

Hi All,

Squirrel, Sorry to hear about your lose. Very dissapointing, I can imagine.

Well, I finally finished my Hog. Haven't maidened it yet, but hope to soon. I'm keepin my fingers crossed.

Pretty much stock except for a few things.

1. Dual Aile servos

2. Moved gear forward 3/4 inch.

3. Top wing bolts insert from the bottom. (eliminating the holes on top of wing).

4. Sullivan tail wheel gear.

5. Battery mounted in front under tank. Balanced perfect with no weight added.

6. Running a OS FS 91 Surpass.

Squirrel............PM sent.

Tacx. Outstanding build! I really suspect that you have out built me from what i can see Have you had a chance to weigh it? I am curious how you came out there....... I am hesitant to offer good luck wishes after what happend to Squirrel, but good luck anyway, and i will keep my fingers crossed for you. I don't know what kind of airplanes you have been flying or your experience level, but keep your speed up on approaches till you get a handle on the stall speed is about the best insight i can come up with. Best wishes!!!!

Steve,

Thanks for the compliments. My total weight with batt, etc. is 8.75 lbs. I am an experienced pilot, but this is my first bipe. Thanks for the heads up on the landing speed, I think landing will be the biggest issue. I have no fear once in the air, but landing, as you know, is a whole different animal. I will keep you informed.

Tom

You'll be pleasantly surprised how nicely it comes in.... even at 8.75 pounds.

Very nice biplane. I like it.

Brian

Looks good tacx. The blue and white looks awesome. Mine suprised me at how good it handled on the ground and the gear was at the stock location. Good luck on the maiden.

As for mine I was depressed for a few days but I got over it. Learned a valuable lesson about buying used receivers. It ground checked fine but somehow it lost signal in the air. I will build another one someday.

Squirrel,

Were you on 2.4 or 72?

I was on 72 but one of the other guys flying later on in the day lost signal on 2.4. Was a bad day at the field.

Who knows for sure in a situation like that, did the 2.4 guy lose a bird? If that reciever from your crash is still working, i sure would't trust it again either. Maybe the folks over at Wright Patterson fired up one of those UFOs they don't have and hairlipped you guy's freqs.

Tacx, so you came out at 8.75 huh, mine built out at 9.5. Yours out to have a bit more float than mine does for sure. When i was doing my maiden flights with that big flat prop and a stupidly slow idle with onboard glow, chopping the power on short final nearly cost me the airplane till i got a handle on what was going on and quit doing that.. Thinking about setting up some kinda 'high idle' thottle curve for playing in the pattern as insurance against too low of a power setting.. Like it is, if i chop the power completely the wheels best be over the runway.

Shepard, sounds like yours is comming on! Keep us posted on how it is shaping up.

Has anyone seen or heard from SigMaster? He has a hog on the bench also.

Steve,

You are carrying a little more weight than me. With your twin, on board glow batt., and the extra servo and switch, thats going to add up.

My one concern is the gear. It's kind of flimsy. Has allot of spring to it. I don't care for springy gear. I may have to change it later.

Tom

Yup, i know on the weight. That much really makes a difference. ......I got to looking at the batteries i am using on the glow system. Way overkill on capacity by using two of them. 4200 milamp nimh and 2.33 ozs. The specs show a discharge capacity. of 30 amps. Wow. Should be ok to ditch one of them i would think. Both plugs shouldn't draw more than 2 amps. My cg will creep a little forward, but i can be rid of two and a third ozs. As far as the rest of the glow sys, i don't have a dedicated servo. Just a bellcrank, a couple micro switches,wires and plugs . Shouldn't weigh more than a couple ozs. Just a fat girl is the bottom line. Lol, the specs for the hog call for a build weight of 7 to 8 pounds. To come in at 7 would require one of Daddyo's extremely light Uproar builds with just a rock in the nose and a sailplane highstart for power it looks to me. One line of thought i am considering is going with a lighter battery pack of some type and putting a hatch in the tail. My cg is presently around 28-29 %. The 6v hump pack i am running weighs 5 ozs and it is located just forward of F-4. http://www.onlybatterypacks.com/show...ItemID=10429.7 might would work, but would only save 1 oz. Hardly worth the effort it looks to me.

I understand your concern about the gear. I am running the 789 Dubro and I swear it looked like the wheel pants were almost touching the bottom of the wing on some of my 'arrivals' The wheel pants are hanging in there, but i have been rough on them. As a note to anyone thinking of building this (or any other kit with pants), i suggest running steel axles and landing them in a plate mounted on the outside of the pants. Increases the strength of the assembly tremendously . Without this, i imagine the pants would have already been in the garbage can because of runway belly flops.

Repost of glow setup attached

A problem with my build that i have been watching develop for a while. Help!

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_11...m.htm#11105812

Steve,

Wish I had some ideas. I have never used a fabric. I feel for you. It's got to be making you sick. Hope you can fix it somehow.

Good luck

Tom

I appreciate that, Tom Really frustrating. There has been a bunch of guys working really hard to come up with some ideas on taking the polycrylic off on the above mentioned thread.

Been flying the Hog when i get a chance. I am going to experiment with some radio programming to set up some kinda approach mode programming for pitch and power parameters.

Be somthing interesting to play with that might get me better consistancy in my landings. At this point, about one out of four is a belly flop, but i am getting better

Is it belly flopping because you are too slow?? Or are you trying to force it down to the ground. I may maiden mine tomorrow if everything checks out.

Hey Tom,
Too slow. Guess i am used to 'floaters' and have a bad habit of getting too slow on approach which don't work well with this airplane at all. It's all good, just got to get used to it barrelling down final.

How are you comming with yours? You are getting close to be ready for the maiden? steve

Steve, Sorry about your Hog and I am no help at all.

As for me , I am still working on it bit by bit. SLOW GOING FOR ME!<br type="_moz" />

Maidened the Hog today. Glad to report it went very well.

Steve, I did the same thing you did on approach. Slowed to much and it dropped from about one foot off the ground. No damage. The gear seams a little weak. It bent a little on the hard landing. If I find it to be a problem I may beef it up or put on something else. Here are some pics.

<span new="" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:">Hey Guys! Looks like great progress with a couple of y'all. Figured i better get over here and get to typing before I give in and buy that Coverite Peashooter kit listed on RCGs....I haven't heard tell of a Coverite kit in years. Had forgot they even built kits. Anyone know anything about them?

Shepard___You will getter done, slowly but surely................There was an old cliche in our family about a long slow process and hanging in there to get it to completion....'Like a Cat Eating a Grind Stone' (And why a cat would want to eat a grind stone is beyond me, but apparently somewhere <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"></span>in our family past, cats had reasons to dine on grind stones). Just hang in there, plan ahead, and one task at a time. LOL if i would have been cutting lightning holes in the elevator of my build, it would have been to put lead weights in as nose heavy as mine is with the twin. Hogs generally build out tail heavy according to legend, but if memory serves me, i think your plan is to go with a light, high powered motor of some type. What are you putting in it?

Tom____Another Hog rides the sky) And a darn good looking one at that! Really nice photos!. And true to this noble bloodline's heritage, after its first aerial adventure, she flops in like a fat sow diving into a wallow You did good moving the gear forward. We each had half the equation and weren't sure how good the advice was in the threads (me anyway), Dubro gear, and move it forward (which entails enlarging the plate), is the only way to go! (Prospective builders please note these suggestions) You didn't mention any nose over tendencies, which have been causing me all manor grief till i blocked the gear forward using spacers on the mount bolts, (and it still isn't far enough forward on mine, which will hopefully improve as i creep back on the cg). With yours, it's a shame the stock bolt pattern is different than the Dubro gear. Huh.....One easy solution for you on the strength issue isto get a set of the Dubro gear, re-drill to fit the stock gear pattern, and bolt her up. In fact, i am going to step out to the shop for a look see.......And this is what i see. <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"></span>A couple of solutions for thought. The Dubro gear is part 978 and had a rectangular 4 bolt pattern if you want to go that way. I don't see why you can't re-drill for that (kinda cheesy, looks like bad load distribution to me) 3 holes in a line pattern into the Dubro gear. Your wheel pants will fit, just have to drill the holes for them.........And just a thought, i wonder if you can't just whack the leg ends (see photo) off another set of identical stock gear, spray some paint on them and assemble them in a stack? Wonder if the bends would match? Might could tweak them till they fit together using a vise. Or use washers between the two to get the spacing right if the geometry doesn&rsquo;t jive. <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"></span>Be like a set of leaf springs and strong as heck I will be glad to stick the unused gear from my kit in a mailer and send them to you if want to try it. A few more Hog dances, you are gonna need them anyway. (And i don't need them, they are just in the way around the shop). It shouldn't add but a couple 3 ozs. or so to you pig's 8.75 lb girlish figure, and it would be worth the postage to me just to see if you could make it work.

Out of the 25 to 30 or so landings I have done so far, I have done about 4 or 5 were porkers that ranged from<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"></span>'Jeez.... I kinda bounced', to 'Oh S___!!!!'<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>On the worse one, <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"></span>it went over on its back on the second bounce..... My gear is at the ragged edge of being far enough forward, <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"></span>and i have that 9.5 lb.empty weight, .75 lbs. more than you. Throw a little crosswind in and you set things up for great hog dance watching for the vultures in the peanut gallery. When i did that double porker belly flop and she ended up on her back,<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>the tires getting cramming in on the first bounce (I have read that technically the proper term is better described as a 'Jounce') and with that crosswind loading them sideways <span style="mso-spacerun:yes">the first impact </span>caused a lot of scrubbing side loads of the tires, trying to roll off the rims against the pants which was like hitting the breaks for an instant or two. <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"></span>This started the rotation of the airplane over on its back which the second pork bounce a couple seconds later completed. Nasty looking...., a 'Ground Lomcevak'. Fortunately, nothing was broke. </span><span new="" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:">The spinner contacts first in nose-overs which is getting hard on the alinimun finish on the spinner, but keeps the cowl out of harm's way. Haven&rsquo;t broke a prop so far, <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"></span>RPMs being low when it happens and running a tough APC. I sure hope things improve <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"></span>when I move the CG back a little futher and i get my dumb thumbs trained better on airspeed management.. Otherwise I will have to re-drill the plate and move the gear location forward. Since I built in a large enough plate to do this, I probably should just bite the bullet and go ahead and git with it. I really need to get to work correcting these issues before i tear something up. Happy Hogging to all!! And remember, you better keep your approach speed up, (Before she loses interest in living and self destructs), if you want to make out with a flying fat girl!!</span>

LOL the view from cockpit on the 'Oh S___!!!' landing probally looked like this


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10271042