RE: Clancy Lazy Bee
 

Mars....I feel the same way bro!!!! I love all of Clancy's stuff!!! I still have not gotten the Stagger Bee. That is next on my list. I found a Speedy Bee kit on Ebay guys....I could not believe it! I jumped all over it! Should be here in a couple of days.


Dave

COVERINGS: Clancy Lazy Bee
 

ok, i have finaly bought my first non AFR/RTF!!!, but becuase i have never built a kit, i have no idea on covering it, the only thing i know is that i need an iron, the glue goo stuff, and mono-kote. but for the lazy bee, is mono kote to heavy? is there anything better suited, or will a 480 geared motor not make a differance? whats an affordable covering that is less than a roll of monokote?

RE: COVERINGS: Clancy Lazy Bee
 

Well.....I prefer Ultracoat. It will shrink and adhear at a lower temperature than what the Monocoat does. I beleive it is lighter also. I would suggest a simple Kyosho Magnetic Mahem reverse rotation motor, Master Airscrew gearbox and an 11X7 electric prop. To give it juice.....I prefer the CP-1700 cells, I use ten of them in a pack. I have tried the 2400 cells but they are so heavy!!!![:'(] I hope I have helped a little.

RE: COVERINGS: Clancy Lazy Bee
 

Covering eh? Why not Litespan as Andy suggests? It's got a great cloth like texture and is very light and tough.

That said, I've been toying with the idea of covering mine in silk and dope since I like the look of it. Silk is fairly light and tough but a pain to apply. My main concern with using silk on the Bee is warping. Any th oughts?

I talked to Andy about motors and he strongly recommended the Cobalt 400, either direct drive or geared 2.5:1. On the brushless side, he said he was impressed with the Hacker speed 400 replacement geared something like 6:1. It should be noted that the hackers are fairly expensive.

Personally, I might go with an astroflight 02 on the 48" bee.

Erik

RE: COVERINGS: Clancy Lazy Bee
 

Yes...that is all fine...I have an AXI 2820-10 brushless motor in my Speedy Bee....but that does not help our freind Red Baron 798. The point is the guy in question is new to building and covering....lets help him with the cheapest and easy possibilties before major upgrades and crazy coverings.;)

RE: COVERINGS: Clancy Lazy Bee
 

Hmm,

I fail to see how a Cobalt 400 is a major upgrade. Yes, it isn't the cheapest brushed motor out there, but it's not the most expensive either. Also, Litespan isn't that pricey of a covering and is pretty easy to apply, even for a newbee. Want expensive...silk @ 20 a yard.

I firmly believe that it's generally a good idea to stick to the recommendations of the engineer, hence my original response.

That said, my question still stands...Do you guys think silk and dope will warp the heck out the Bee's light airframe?

RE: COVERINGS: Clancy Lazy Bee
 

Crayon;

I have no idea if silk and dope will warp the frame.

However; it has been my experiance that Silk and dope form a very tough, durable and heavy covering.

The Key word here is heavy. Given the nature of this airplane keeping the weight down is critical, I would be hesitant to use Silk and Dope on any Bee for that fact alone.

The Bee family fly best under three pounds, 3-3.5 lbs works nicely over that and performance degrades dramatically to the point that you may not get off the ground. (much of this will of course depend on the engine that you are using - but it is a good rule of thumb)

Think light! is the best advice that I can offer.

Happy Landings
Merry Christmas

RE: COVERINGS: Clancy Lazy Bee
 

Push Rodz......I started working on the Lazy bee kit. Been tak'in my time with it. I am amazed how strong and ridgid the fuselage is. I will use the bolt on type wing. I like to yank and crank her so the bolt on is a must. My ARF version also has the bolt on wing. I will use a Norvell Big Mig .15 motor.....that and the tank are already mounted. I nestled the engine further down the fire wall so the center line CG is a little lower. Looking foward to fling this bird.

Oh....I almost forgot to inform you all about my newest find! I found a company that sells the Clancy Aviation Gyro Bee conversion kit!!!!!! Take off you wing and bolt it down....and fly like an old time auto gyro! [link=http://autogyro-rc.com/Kits.html]Autogyro of Arizona[/link] Looks like a plan!!!!!



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RE: COVERINGS: Clancy Lazy Bee
 

Some photos......:)

RE: Lazy Bee CG
 

I just finished a 40" Lazy Bee from an OLD kit. Sans plans no less. Came out very light even though I stripped spruce to replace the soft balsa sticks in what was left of the kit. My question is: Where in relation to the wing spar should the CG be? Any suggestions to the control throws in inches, mm would be helpful as this puppy is ready to fly. I put on an OS .10 and a 8x3 prop,
Thanks

RE: Clancy Lazy Bee
 

Just finished a Lazy Bee from an OLD kit. Sans plans. Any hints to CG location in relation to the wing spar or control throws?
Thanks

RE: Clancy Lazy Bee
 

I'm working on a Big lazy Bee with the 72" wing. I like the looks of the plane, sort of a cartoon caricature of an airplane.:) Got the wingtips, elevators and rudder laminated, and the center section of the wing built so far. I'm using the big 6" trexler main wheels, and a trexler tailwheel. OS .40 FP for power, Sig Koverall and dope for finish. I don't know about the CG on the smaller ones, but on the big bee, its about a half inch forward of the main spar. I've had this kit laying around for years, and finally decided I needed another floater for nice calm days. 2-11/16 inch tall shear webs, wow! Also I'm not going to use the rubber band mounted wing. I'll use the bolt on wing method, but with one #8 nylon screw instead of the two 1/4 inch ones suggested. I''ll probably use the same type of mounting for the removeable tail, with #4 nylon bolts instead of rubber bands.

RE: COVERINGS: Clancy Lazy Bee
 

I beg to differ. Silk and dope is about half the weight of plastic film, name your poison, and in the same ballpark weightwise as litespan. It'll also add strength to the wing, something NO plastic film can honestly say. Take a look at free flight rubber models. Tissue and nitrate dope on 1/32 or 1/16 balsa sticks. Seems to have worked fairly well, and you won't ever see one of those covered in monokote. :) It won't shrink anything out of shape unless he uses nitrate dope to excess. I'd use nitrate only to attach the silk,one coat of nitrate to shrink it, and 3 or 4 coats of butyrate.

RE: COVERINGS: Clancy Lazy Bee
 

Thanks Pete!

I thought about chiming in about the weight of silk and dope. I've been building gas powered free flight for years with that combo. As Pete stated, it's very light and it makes your airframe substantially stronger. It is a pain to apply, though.

If you forgo the colored dope and dye your fabric with RIT, you save a lot of weight. Finally, use colored tissue for trim pieces and you've saved even more.

My only concern with the Bee is warping. I have had light structures covered in silk, as well as tissue, warp and crack on me in the past.

Has anyone else used silk on a Bee? If so, how did it turn out?

Erik

RE: COVERINGS: Clancy Lazy Bee
 

Crayon.....the dope and silk covering seems more and more apealing to me. Here are my questions: Is the finished silk and dope brittle if I would land in the weeds or hit hard? If I were to put a hole in it or rip it is it a easy repair? One last question....where do you purchase the silk at to begin with? I use the Sig dope to fuel proof my models on the fire wall and the front area as in my photo attached, but I have never tried covering a model with silk and painting with the dope. OH.....another question....sorry.....do you heat the silk first then apply the dope? How about a easy basic step by step list on how you do it? Some help would appreciated. I am only familiar with Monocoat and Ultracoat and cover many Lazy Bees and Speedy Bees. With the multi colors and designs, it adds weight. Silk and dope looks better and better to me.


Dave

RE: COVERINGS: Clancy Lazy Bee
 

Well guys;
I am not qualified to get in on this conversation but I did find some interesting links about the weigth of coverings on another thread. I hope that they will be of some use to everyone...even if it's just more conversation. :)

http://webpages.charter.net/rcfu/Hel...IOCWeight.html

http://www.modelflight.com/weight.html

Happy Landings;
Bruce

RE: COVERINGS: Clancy Lazy Bee
 

Heres a website for you. Don't let the seeming complications of applying the silk scare you off, it's easier than it sounds once you've done it yourself. Heat shrink film didn't look that easy the first time either , right? There's no heat involved in silk covering, and you can even patch the stuff at the field if necessary, although it's pretty tough stuff and that likely wont be necessary. http://www.amasci.com/~smallnet/Archive/post381.html

RE: COVERINGS: Clancy Lazy Bee
 

Hey Pete...thanks for the link. It is a little more involved than I thought...but I thought building a plane was at one point in my life! I am sure once I cover a plane or two....it will be easy.

Dave

RE: RE: Clancy Lazy Bee
 

Have you guys ever built and flown the Lazy Bee Special? Are the ailerons a good addition? Better rolls? I've only flown my Speedy Bee and New Bee (both with ailerons). I like alierons.

RE: RE: Clancy Lazy Bee
 

I like the special wing with the ailerons.....I buit one. But I really like the way the bee rolls with that exagerated dihedral in the wing tips, I can snap mine so quick it is a blur!!!! This is why I have both wings for one plane. Each wing has a different flight envelope.

So....tell me about the New Bee!!!! I have one in the box along with the floats. What size engine do you have in yours? I was thinking of a .30 Magnum four stroke. Post a photo!


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RE: Clancy Lazy Bee
 

So has anyone heard more updates on when the Bee's will resurface? Seems we all are getting similar responses from Hobby People about the re-tooling but can't find any updates on expected dates. I can get a Stagger Bee right now at a mail order place but I really want the one with wingerons.

Remember the old days when you could just email Andy Clancy direct? Oh well, progress I guess.

So has anyone out there in Bee land hear more on when the kits will come out again? (I'm just finishing up 3 LB specials so the whole family will be flying them :D )

Still want that Stagger Bee; planning on a Saito .30 up front, just because :)

If you know of any update, please post it here.

Thanks

Bob

RE: Clancy Lazy Bee
 

Yeah Bob...I am waiting also!!!!! I am getting tired of going to Hobby People's web site and seeing BACK ORDER on the Stagger Bee. Luckily a RCU member sold me his with the aileron add on kit. I am very happy! I will PM you Bob about some plans.....

RE: Clancy Lazy Bee
 

Nuker,

Go ahead and buy the one from the mail order place. Because Hobbypeople has the wingeron wing kit in stock. I purchased one recently for $37.00. I know that this will be an additional cost, but it is an option. At least until Hobbypeople retools all of Andy's planes. Iplan on putting the wingeron wing on my yard bee.

Scott

RE: RE: Clancy Lazy Bee
 

I have a stagger bee in the closet waiting for me to get the itch to build again. I just love the looks of the bee's!!:D

RE: RE: Clancy Lazy Bee
 

Mine should come in next week! Iam very excited about it! BEES RULE!!!!!!