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Bill,

I had 3 - 12 hour appointments with CSP this past weekend, so I couldn't fly. This coming weekend I guess I can fly if the wx is cooperative and my instructor's sked is good for it.

I never found a source for parts for linears that cheap. I ordered replacement finals from RF Parts and they cost around $50.00 for a matched pair. (Again, if memory serves right. It's been a couple of years since I looked at their catalog.) It seems like most of the stuff I ordered was priced so high for the parts that I'd spend more to get all the necessary pieces to build from scratch than to just buy new. BUMMER

I listened around 80m a lot when I made direct conversion receivers. A few of those hams sounded like channel 19. That's why I threw my mikes away whenever I got a different rig. All I ever wanted to use was my MFJ memory keyer. I did use a mike on 2m with the home folks.

I read after Doug DeMaw and Wes Hayward extensively. I tried building rigs, but the plans always seemed to use enough parts that weren't available to make the project an exercise in frustration. I didn't know how to make the right substutions except for the transistors.

I was always amazed that the splatter wasn't that bad in the Cobra/Uniden radios I dealt with. (Although one night I heard an operator wipe out ALL 40 channels. I asked him to keep operating while I hooked up a 120 channel CB to see just how far he was splattering. He shut it down his JB 12 and other foot warmers and I could barely hear him transmit at all. I should have hooked up the radio before saying anything to him. ha) If the operator used a power mike I tuned the radio while using it. A lot of the guys used the RK-56 mikes which were FAR from a power mike.

Wx is nice today. Sunny & cool. It rained Sat.& Sun. & turned cool enough to bring in my Ivy plant. I guess I can throw together a shelter for my Bonsai plants in just a little while to keep the soil in the pots from freezing. If they survive the winter I might just put them back into the ground and abandon the hobby except for the Juniper my #1 son gave me. Or maybe not.

I'm spending my days off making a new 80mm x 400mm refractor and remodeling the mount and tripod into something more steady. I'll be doing more of a land search in just a little while. I have a mulching kit coming and will put it on the mower Thursday. My grandsons are visiting this week.

TIME? What's that? I've heard a lot of retirees say that had more free time when they were employed full time than since retirement. I'll probably never know. ha

I did the control C and the control V. The control V didn't bring up the clipboard contents, but I opened it manually and the message ws saved there. I'll tryagain or try something a bit different.

I better run. Daylight doesn't last very long this time of year.

Later,

elaDed

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Daylight! You got Daylight WOW[:-] round here sunrise is 8:15 sunset is 4:45 and the skys are cloudy all day

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Barron, When it gets cold around here, I stay inside, only going out to get to work or for the daily snow blowing ritual. Being so close to Lake Michigan, it doesn't get as cold here as you, but the lake puts out moisture and boy do we get the snow. It hasn't started in earnest yet, but it won't be long.

Don flies in the winter. I stay home and try to get something done on my models.

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Hmm, yes these forums are rather...odd. I receive notification in my regular email about a message being updated. But not for others. I see no difference in the messages as I started neither of them. I would prefer to never get any more notifications. I even shut something like that off once but still receive them. Sigh. Also, the cookies expire way to soon. I want to log in once and THAT'S IT. HA.

Elad, GO FLYING! Yes, that was a strange way to incorporate the EAGLE II - 4 STROKE into this message that has obviously taken on a life of its own, mutated twice, had three step children sue it for intellectual rights, and had kids of their own...do the same. :) Anyway, you get my point HA.

Flew today. 10-12 mph wind as usual. After two tanks my hands were starting to cramp up. I was SUPPOSED to be 49 and partly sunny today, however the weather drunks screwed that one up and it was more like ALL clouds and about 43 at best. Chilly to say the least.

I am still having a finiky time with my Enya 40ss. I have to land with trim and even then I am either too fast or too slow it seems to have a 'perfect' 3 point landing with no bouncies. I had two really nice ones today, and prefer to land at a higher speed as the bouncies don't seem to occur and if the wind drops off then I don't drop out of the sky. SO I have resorted to trimming my elevator a little downwards on my final leg or somewhat prior and landing with trim. Throttle all the way down and half trim puts me JUST a bit slow. Then I slowly adjust up and down from there to bring her in nicely. Still trying to figure out why one little throttle click seems to change it from a nice idle (with half trim) to wanting to rpm much faster down the runway and faster than joggin speed. Confusing. It works though, and gives me alot of power. I was flying with only a few notches of throttle today into the wind, using more elevator I was capable of continuing my flight and probably could have done so on the same tank for 20+ minutes if not more. But, I like to fly my Eagle like a sport plane. :) SCREAMING through the trees.

Ooooo


ALSO, OK GUYS I NEED ADVICE. Xmas is coming up and I want to prep my wishlist so that those that give a damn can buy me my toys. :) I really think I want a totebox with all the schtuff. I have only driven out to the airfield and forgotten things twice, of which I made the best of things and nothing critical (transmitter ie). But I am starting to realize the need for a all in one box with all my stuff in it. That said, I am also looking forward to my NEXT plane. I am currently building that (what I found out is a pattern) bipe. That is way beyond my level as I haven't even flown with Ailerons yet. :( SO, I don't want to get an OS 91 four stroke for this bipe if I am not going to be able to use it. UNLESS someone can tell me of a good low wing/taildragger trainer that would use the OS91 four stroke with my current skillset in mind. Keep in mind I am a good pilot, and probably won't have much trouble flying or taking off...however I don't seem to be the best at landing yet. The aircraft carrier top we land on is small but I seem to miss it more than I hit it. That said, should I forgo the purchase of a OS 91 4 stroke for my bipe until I am ready for that one...and move to something else??!
Tom and Don had both mentioned the Tiger II. I was also looking at the Tiger 60. I REALLY want a 4 stroke, don't know why really, but I do. HA. AND that said, what are my options? My biggest hangup is that I see the 70 4 strokes are almost the same price as the 90. SO I will probably drop to an OS 60 LA. Any suggestions?
MY wishlist:
-keep it fourstroke and have enough power to have fun while still being able to use it in a future plane.
-traildragger/low wing to step up to flying the bipe.
-Less than 350 total!

:)

Tom - When it is cold outside, don't you break out the skis and go flyign? I don't udnerstand, I thought you were hardcore! :( I am already planning on making skis for the Eagle. They are going to have a bit of a shock absorbsion system AND I am looking to make a device that will allow to me 'clip' off my current wheels and 'clip' on my skis. :) I'm such the little mechanical engine. Money is tight so that will also be one of the things that limits me. At first they may be ugly, but I anticipate making something nifty soon. If the people at the hardware stores don't kick me out after I paroose their stuff too long. HA.

S
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SinfulWitchcraft:

Screaming through the trees is great. And requires the application of witchcraft, thus getting you your latest name change.

Without witchcraft you go screaming to the trees,... And that's it. A thump ending the scream, and possibly a bit of disturbed brush noise as the engine alone continues its flight for a short distance.

Or have you somehow trained the trees to whip themselves out of the way?

Explanation, please.

Haw. Maybe.

Bill.

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Sinful:

The Tiger 60 is a good plane, or the Venture 60. The Tiger will be marginally the easier flier for a low time pilot.

Engine? Forget the OS, the FS 91 Surpass II is $300, the Saito FA-91 is just $240. A lot more engine for $60 less. And the Saito is 4 ounces lighter to boot.

And while it wont be the world's best match, you could use it on the Tiger or the Venture. I'd be inclined to get a "40 size" Stick for it, or maybe a 60 size if I wanted to be a little more civilized.

Bill.

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WillySon,
I am quite adapt at screaming THROUGH the trees. On our final approach, when the wind is JUST right.. we actually don't have a crosswind. We instead get a horribly strong wind that negates our ability to land where the nice approach is. Thus we must with 50 foot trees being approximately 100 feet from the edge of the runway which is only 60 feet from a WALKING trail! If the AMA saw our airfield, they would yank their sponsorship SO fast. BUT from what I hear, we already supposedly do not recognize the AMA for a number of reasons. Whatever.
SO, on final there are two bigger trees that if I go between, I find I get a nicer landing and do not overshoot. Which would take me to the 'nice' area. However the nice area has huge grass and large ruts. The 'nice' area is nice on approach because you can keep it low as you come in..if you have the option with the wind...but you certainly do NOT want to land there hehe. You will at best rip your gears away and flip the plane violently.
SO yes, I actually have to fly between two trees. Sometimes I am well above, but many times I actually would clip them if I were right or left of them just a bit. Then I have to land it on a 26' wide by 150' runway (paved). The 150 part isn't very hard, especially if you have the 'nice' approach. But the 26' gets a bit tricky. ESPECIALLY with our normal horribly crosswind. I've learned to run backwards very well as I dodge my airplane crabbing toward me HA.

Also...there is a field that the US government owns (for what we do not know yet), and there are a few 30-50 foot trees sparsly placed throughout there. Totaling about 6-10 of em. I like to fly low, cut knife edges the best I can with just rudder and elevator, and pylon between them. :O I did a figure eight today around two of them today. :)

EDIT: bill we should be pm'n HA. Ok, so get the 91 4 stroke and stick it on the Tiger II??!??! It says its range is UP TO a .75 4 stroke. AND, the OS Surpass 2 4 stroke is only 239 at tower hobbies. IS that a good price? And WHERE do I get the Saito for that price?!?! I REALLY like those saitos the more I read about them. :) I would surely like the black one with the gold tops. OOOOOOOOOO BABY!

EDIT x2: Bill...

91S GOLDEN KNIGHT AAC W/MUFFLER:EE [SAIE091SGK]
by SAITO ENGINES
Category: EAB-Engines, 4 Cycle, Airplane Price: $264.95

FA-91S [SAIE091S]
by SAITO ENGINES
Category: EAB-Engines, 4 Cycle, Airplane Price: $239.95

O.S. FS-91 II Surpass
Accessories Needed Add to Wish List
229.99


DIFFERENCE?!?! HELP!!!






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SkinRash:

I don't know where you found that price for the OS, Tower Hobby's 2004 catalog lists several versions, but the cheapest one is their order number OSMG0896 FS-91 Surpass II, at $299.99 each. The FS-70 S-II is $249.99 - did you slip a line when you looked it up?

The FA 91 Saito has a reguar price of $239.95 from Horizon, the black version is $25 more.

Even if I've made an error I'd still spend the $10 more for the Saito. Or $35 if you want the GK version. My Saitos are mostly mix-and-match, however all but one have the black cylinder, whether the particular engine has a black case or not.

Bill.

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Actually the OS FS 91 Surpass II at tower's website shows it for 229.00 in stock. :)

I think I want the Saito anyway, especially the Golden Knight (black) Oooooooo! I was thinking of going with even the 100 but I know I am pushing the power mark and am seeing many posts about warranty service with this model in these forums.

That said, I am still confused about the differences that I see at horizon hobbies website. Seems like Muffler is the only difference between the two prices. I need that right eheh?

Also, is this going to be ok in a Tiger60? I think you said yes but I just want to make sure.

I'm actually excited about this engine. Not to mention, the BLACK KNIGHT muahhahahahaha MUAHHAHA MMMMMMMMMUAHHA (COUGH) sorry..

S

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S:

The Saito Fa 91 will fly the Tiger 60 without a problem, you might be well advised to put the R/E servos in the tail to decrease balance weight needed. A little harder build, but I really think you would be happier with the Venture 60. It's a little bigger.

I'm partial to the "Stick" designs - have a big block Saito on an UltraStick 120, for the 91 I'd be highly tempted to get the US 60. It is an ARF, though, you might not like that. Horizon even mentions a Saito 100 on the US 60.

Here's two pictures of my Saito/US.

Bill.

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hmmm you've given me much food for thought. Thanks.

I am still trying to figure out the different model numbers on horizons website. They have things wtih muffler J and muffler E but don't explain what the differences are , especially the differences for the price. Very ambigious website.

As for the OS 91 Surpass...like I said it is on tower for 229.00 and is available. But for the extra 50+ bux, is it worth the Saito black? That is my question. I think I want the Saito anyway because all the OS engines I see and hear seem to run underpowered to be honest. Or maybe they are just that silent. But they always have to me, a seemingly SLOW flight for the size they are. I've heard and seen different 4 strokes and they sound better and seem to fly more powerfully than the OS.

Anyway...any more info you have would be helpful bill and thanks so far! Like I said, Horizon carries the Saito..I just don't udnerstand the differences that are on there.

S

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SC:

I don't know what the EE and K are either, but my guess is they are the revision code for the current models they are selling. What that is, Saito will make a revision to the FA-80 series, for example. Suppose the pre-mod was a "J" series, then the revised engine would have a "K" stamped on the engine lug.

So if that is the case, it would indicate the current 91 GK was an "EE" revision, and the plain metal engine is a "K" model.

The current muffler is the same as shown in my picture of the US engine, no longer the sleek tube of the earlier engines.

Whether the black is worth the extra $25 is up to you. As a matter of course I will enamel and bake the cylinder when I pull one off, if it's not already black. I said I had one still in plain metal, that one hasn't yet been apart. And I do have one genuine "Golden Knight."

So think it over, it's your money, your time, your airplane, and intended for your plesure.

Bill.

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If money is a consideration, you don't need the Golden Knight. As far as I know, the Saito motors are the same, with only the color being different. If having the black cyliner and gold valve covers is worth the money to you, go for it.

I have two OS 91 4/strokes. They are good motors. If I had it to do over, I'd buy Saito. To me, they are worth the extra money.

With your current building dillemas, I still reccomend the Tiger 60. The Goldberg instructions are very good. It would be an easy build compared to your current project. If the plans don't shoow how to make it a tail dragger, I'll walk you through it when the time comes.

I'm sure the Venture 60 is a good plane. Being up here in the now frozen sticks, I've never seen one. I know Bruce Tharp has quality products.

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Well, That wasn't supposed to post yet. I wanted to ask you, Bill. How does the Venture fly compared to the GP Sportster 60?

I've been thinking about getting the Sporster to put one of my OS 91's in, as I have the 40 size now and like the way it flies. If the Venture flies better, I might be interested. I like nice smooth maneuvers, not the 3D stuff. I don't need unlimited vertical.

Here's a pic of my Saito.

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Tom:

Hmmp. Looks more like a Monocoupe than a Saito. Though I do see a couple familiar rocker boxes.

Familiar with the Four*40? The Venture is what the Four*60 was supposed to be. Bruce Tharpe designed the '40, the '60 was someone else trying to emulate his work. Didn't do as good a job as Bruce himself, with the Venture. So consider an enlarged and even more civilised Four*40, you have the Venture 60.

Comparing the Sportster series to the Venture is something on the order of comparing a Decathlon and an Extra. Both aerobatic, and both capable of flying the Aresti pattern and doing a good job of it. But it's a lot easier with the Extra. The Sportster is the Ford Thunderbird, no, let's not be that harsh. The Sportster is the Corvette CR-5, the Venture is the Ferrari F-40.

Any one of them is more than sufficient for making circles around the air patch, When you want to get fancy in the manner you make the circles around the air patch, the Venture is simply the better tool.

Or a well trimmed Ugly Stick.

Bill.

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Bill, Thanks for the quick reply. I may have to build a Venture. I've only read good things about it.

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Bill, I forgot. That's my IKON Stinson SR8. My Monocoupe is yellow. It's an IKON kit too. Don't have any pics of it at the moment.

The motor in the Stinson is a Saito 300 twin. Runs real well and the sound is so sweeeet!!!

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TC:

Didn't think it was quite right, the gear strut for one. Still a pretty plane, looks very nice.

But instead of the 300 twin why not the FA 325R5? That WOULD be awesome.

Bill.

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Bill, The answer to your question is simple. Money!!! That radial is out of my range. sure would be nice, though.

To all that read this thread, Have a safe and HAPPY THANKSGIVING.

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S,

And 10 second cousins twice removed. ha

About the e-mail notifications: try going to the top of this page and click on the "My Account" button. When that loads click on the "Preferences" button at the center and near the top of the page. When that loads look down the page at all the choices and click or un-click the box and make sure there is NO check mark in the box for e-mail notices. Remember to go all the way to the bottom of that page and click on the "Apply" button to :D

You mentioned in a few posts about a muffler for the new 4c engine you're getting. A flyer in my club has a .52 4c that sounds about as quiet as the .46 2c engines that run with mufflers. I don't know if that's your main concern or if it's where the pressure to the fuel tank will come from. I didn't get a look at that engine so I just know the pressure has to come from somewhere. I wonder if the muffler is necessary for back pressure or if the exhaust manifold would give the tank enough pressure. Bill, Tom and the Barron would know that better than me.:eek:

Heck, S, splurge on the radial engine. THAT would sound way COOL!

Yesterday about 3pm or 4pm the wind got up and even though the temp was 68 it felt more like 50. This am it's sunny and calm. Doubtless the early afternoon will be T-shirt weather again.:D

Happy T Holiday. See ya later,

elad

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Click on the "Apply" button to activate your new choices.

BOY! My typing stinks.

elad

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Tom wants to know if you will send him the money for the radial he would be happy to put it in the stinson

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I am about ready to say screw it and spend the money on 1. a field box loaded with stuff 2. a cheap OS la engine and 3. another kit ...
for the price of a 4 stroke saito.

Heck I have to learn how to fly with ailerons as is, and a low winger. Do I really need that much power now? Or a 4 stroke for that matter?

This thread has grown another ugly head. I hope I am not monopolizing this conversation too much but any further input would be appreciated. Keep in mind I am apparently a very fast learner. The guys at the airfields are amazed at what I can do with a high dihedral trainer. (not to mention that my wing hasnt snapped yet). I reinforced my wing with a piece of aluminum in the middle beyond the one that is already there. :)

K so, well..gotta go shopping. GRRRRR. I just want to stay home on my butt! WHY TODAY! WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! (COUGH). Ok I'm calm now. Guess its better than having to clean all day. My house is slowly being taken over by RC stuff. Wing here, some covering here, my field box there...fuel near the heater... DOH FUEL NEAR THE HEATER! DOH DOH DOH. :)

Anyway, hope you all had a good thanksgiving.

Oh btw, regarding that Black Knight Saito, I am going to call them during business hours and find out the beef on it. The difference in price leads me to believe one is black the other is not, or maybe it just comes iwth a muffler. But the one says it comes with muffler J (the cheap one) SO I am hoping the 264.00 one comes with black and gold and a muffler or that will pretty much make my decision for me at that point.

Good day yall...

S

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SinfulCrash:

The only difference between the standard Saito and the GK is the coloring. They both have a muffler supplied, all the accessories and instructions are the same.

And If Tom thinks I am going to buy the engine for his Stinson, well, I'm having to scare up the bucks for a pair of radials for one of my own planes.

And house crowding is normal for those of us without a live-in maid. I kept one for 35 years, I really don't miss her, and there are enough other women around to take care of the companionship desires. It's just Sam and me here now, Sam is very undemanding but he's getting crotchety, 10 year old tomcats tend to get that way.

Other than keeping the bills paid, and many of them are on automatic pay, I don't have to do anything I dont want to. Wish I had done this tears ago.

Bill.

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sinker crash
which ever one you buy RUN IT RICH till it is broke in. Saitos are great engines they have tremedous power I think we went through this in another post awhile back It is all about exspantion contraction of the diff parts and metals short warm runs cooled well between- after 2-3 gal of fuel you will notice a change in the way it sounds and runs- you will not have to fiddle with the needle but once a year How much is a eagle ARF wing with ailerons? do that then go buy that tiger 60 for your pretty four stroke
don