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TomCrump 11-11-2003 09:27 PM

RE: Eagle 2 ARF & 4 Stroke Engine?
 
Well I had two Eagles And I have 5 four strokes.

ORIGINAL: BaronSchwab

Who would ever think of what is happening under the name of this thread "Eagle 2 ARF & 4 Stroke Engine?" This has gone WAY off subject. But I don't care I like having this "discussion" under a innocent sounding name as "Eagle 2 ARF & 4 Stroke Engine?"

William Robison 11-11-2003 09:29 PM

RE: Eagle 2 ARF & 4 Stroke Engine?
 
I have an Eaglet with a 2c engine, but I do have some 4c engines also.

Bill.

TomCrump 11-11-2003 09:34 PM

RE: Eagle 2 ARF & 4 Stroke Engine?
 
I'm proud of you Bill. I see that you've come back yor hiatus.

ORIGINAL: William Robison

I have an Eaglet with a 2c engine, but I do have some 4c engines also.

Bill.

William Robison 11-11-2003 09:39 PM

RE: Eagle 2 ARF & 4 Stroke Engine?
 
Tom:

Doesn't seem like it, but it has been three days since last I gave the people on this thread a hard time.

I'll try to do better.

Bill.

TomCrump 11-11-2003 09:52 PM

RE: Eagle 2 ARF & 4 Stroke Engine?
 
Bill, don't take so long next time!

don olsen 11-11-2003 09:56 PM

RE: Eagle 2 ARF & 4 Stroke Engine?
 
I have a friend that works for the DPW that repositions a few for me every year so i can mow a straight line on the runways

TomCrump 11-11-2003 09:58 PM

RE: Eagle 2 ARF & 4 Stroke Engine?
 
Well Baron, now you know where I got mine.

Don, Did you notice that Bill's awke?

don olsen 11-11-2003 10:02 PM

RE: Eagle 2 ARF & 4 Stroke Engine?
 
yep looks like his medicine wore off and he is up and at em again Mornin Bill

William Robison 11-11-2003 11:06 PM

RE: Eagle 2 ARF & 4 Stroke Engine?
 
Well, speaking of winds. The field where I usually fly has three paved runways, in the standard crossed triangular pattern. These runways are on an open field about two miles square. Yes, cutting the grass is a pain. We also have three wind socks there, and it is not unusual to see all three of them pointing in different directions. But the wind direction changes are almost always gradual enough not to surprise.

And this field is only one of the eight we have. All but two are paved. One grass field is for the glider boys, they want the grass. The other we just got a couple months ago, not sure what we are going to do there.

Visit us:

www.nfmi.org

Feel jealous.

Bill.

BaronSchwab 11-12-2003 08:36 AM

RE: Eagle 2 ARF & 4 Stroke Engine?
 
Man I am jealous. We only have a North-South runway ~grass. But we are planning on moving and getting a North-South and a East-West. The North about 900 feet long and the East about 1000 feet long. All grass. I really need some flags. Better find out where the construction sites are.

BaronSchwab 11-12-2003 02:10 PM

RE: Eagle 2 ARF & 4 Stroke Engine?
 
Oh yes I have one trainer (no not an Eagle) and one 4c (no not on my trainer).

TomCrump 11-12-2003 04:14 PM

RE: Eagle 2 ARF & 4 Stroke Engine?
 
You pass the test.

ORIGINAL: BaronSchwab

Oh yes I have one trainer (no not an Eagle) and one 4c (no not on my trainer).

BaronSchwab 11-13-2003 08:52 AM

RE: Eagle 2 ARF & 4 Stroke Engine?
 
Thank you. I would like to thank my instructor, the AMA, my flying club......:D

Oh Bill I have a MDS .61 in my Pizazz turning a 12x6 and winning 100 MPH. Woohoo!! She really moves out.

BaronSchwab 11-13-2003 01:18 PM

RE: Eagle 2 ARF & 4 Stroke Engine?
 
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Snoop,

I ran into this somewhere thought you might like it. (I did not get hurt from running into it.)

The Baron

William Robison 11-14-2003 12:36 AM

RE: Eagle 2 ARF & 4 Stroke Engine?
 
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Baron:

Here's one who is about to get hurt. As usual for him.

Bill.

BaronSchwab 11-14-2003 06:25 AM

RE: Eagle 2 ARF & 4 Stroke Engine?
 
He should get hurt.

BaronSchwab 11-14-2003 08:27 AM

RE: Eagle 2 ARF & 4 Stroke Engine?
 
Snoop,

There has been a change in the location for the Christmas Party. It will be at Schnibs or Snibs or something like that. Go west on I 94. Cross over the border. Take the first exit I think it is road 18. Go south 1/2 mile. It will be on the left side. Parking in the front and a big lot in the back. Party will still be @ 7:00 Pm. Bring the wife. Ice Cream, Cake, prizes, fun. What else do you want? Hope to see you there.

Tom you are also invited but bring those little flags. You to Don and Bill.

The Baron.

Sincraft 11-16-2003 01:34 AM

RE: Eagle 2 ARF & 4 Stroke Engine?
 
Damn william and his beyond uber runways. (even if he does glow a bit after flying eheh)

:)

HMMM Little flags eh? I'll have to think about that! MUAHAH You DON'T want me to get started on something. I don't own the park or the airfield, but I will certainly grab some sticks and place them little flags about the area. :) I think about 20 or so should do. Not to mention, when you rip out those little flags, ...it keeps them survey guys in business. :P

Btw, as per Tom's recommendation, I am bumping my build thread with an update. Finished the top wing...FINALLY. Constant reshaping - filling - sanding...repeating. Still not smooth but it's got the shape I need.
The box the wood came in is very very thin. :( Alas I think I am almost done. I DID however think of a MAJOR problem I foresee in the futa'. BAD times ahead gents. Think about that FUSE nose, all solid block. How in god's name am I going to get an engine in there EVEN if it WILL fit to the firewall!? What I am thinking of doing is basically what you see in real airplanes. If you are not familiar what I speak of, there are 'snaps' ...clasps that hold sections of the fuse nose together. So, I would probably have to hinge and clasp the entire thing. Not to mention it may add something to please the eye, and will allow me to get into it to work on it or rip it out if I need to.

:)

S

William Robison 11-16-2003 02:02 AM

RE: Eagle 2 ARF & 4 Stroke Engine?
 
Sincraft:

When you decide to stop working for a living, and pick a retirement location, you can also use the local flying club as part of your criteria for selection. But no matter how nice the fields may be, if the people are a bunch of --- it is still no good. Buit the people here are a very nice bunch, we'd welcome any of you to move down.

But do not come here expecting to find a job with decent pay, there aren't many of them. If you are civil service or military and manage a transfer here you're fine. Or if your company transfers you to this area you're fine. If you already have a job lined up you're fine. But don't come down expecting to find a job. Many jobs available, butthe job that pays $80K in the Baltimore - Washington area pays $20K here. Be warned.

Living expenses are low here, but hard goods, like your new car, have the same prices natinwide.

So, if you're set, why aren't you here yet?

Baron:

Thanks for the invitation. Not no way am I going to Minnesota this time of the year. Thanks anyway.

Haw.

Bill.

Sincraft 11-16-2003 02:30 AM

RE: Eagle 2 ARF & 4 Stroke Engine?
 
Definetely NOT set. hehe. I live in Pittsburgh. I was getting paid 50k to do a 100+ k job. Got laid off and haven't found anything in my field yet. Keep hearing 'overqualified.' And then the deludge of people thinking that people were making a great easy living in computers, flooded the market where people that do the hiring can not tell the difference between a moron and a genius. Thus, making it even harder to find a 'normal' job. I am making it however, I am back into sales which is what I started with during college years. Soon, I will probably reach what I was making in my computer job with some hard work. The hours are much better though. And if I decide to go flying or golfing...I CAN whenever the heck I want to. So , yea I am used to jobs paying 80k in baltimore paying about 1/2 to 1/3 here. But who wants to live in a cease pool anyway? (no offense to baltimorons.. ) HA!

I am probably going to specialize in something in my industry to provide me with both better security and of course pay. Not fun not being able to afford glue 'this paycheck' ehhe.

Yes bill, many --- holes can ruin any airfield. There is one near my house that is nicer, bigger, and closer. But I don't go there because of said above individuals. There are a few guys that fly EVERYDAY and monopolize the air space. Then give you attitude if you show up. HA. Then there are the people that grab your model and start molesting it like it's their own. I am big on personal space and am usually only about a nanosecond away from punching someone in the nose. :) So it's probably best I stay where the people are friendly, mellow, fun and funny. The one thing I hate is when the airfield is busy and the people flying do the SAME thing with the SAME plane everytime. It's SO boring to watch and to deal with. I don't know what you guys deal with, but more than two planes in the air and I'm getting paranoid. MY brother and I have probably two mid air misses each time we fly together, but that's probably because we should know better. :)

Yes I am jealous of your airfield, but never would I move because of that. I would move if all the women were pretty, jobs plentiful, people carry themselves with class and dignity regardless of income, and there is a change of seasons. Our winters keep those really nasty bugs and festering uglies in check once a year. :)

Tom, hows the weather up there buddy, you flying or you done for the year? I haven't ask you in emails ...just wondering. gonna be 45+ tomorrow. Can't wait to fly. :)

S

elad 11-16-2003 06:44 PM

RE: Eagle 2 ARF & 4 Stroke Engine?
 
halo,

s,
good luck on the job hunt. i'm used to making 20k or less down here in the poverty belt. no glue this week ha

no flight friday. there was a schedule issue with my instructor, but i did fly saturday. it was real windy. i would have chosen to not fly if it were not for ron saying he would save my bacon if needed. he did too!

i did a few take-offs and did well because the wind was straight down the runway. ron wanted to show me how quickly it would r-o-g. a few minutes before he lined up, the wind picked up a bit more and stayed steady. the eagle was off the ground in about 5 feet. ha

i had a hard time when turning into the wind. the plane seemed to hover instead of flying with any ground speed. i had to duck the nose down to get the plane moving again. the engine had a lot more speed available, but i was just drifting with the revs i had going. anyway the lesson was fun and a good learning experience.

and oh yes, i was nervous even though i wasn't thinking about the previous crash. i'm sure it was because of being so windy. s, you & the barron would have had fun with the little breeze. and, it was t-shirt wx again.

see you guys later,

elad

Sincraft 11-16-2003 11:24 PM

RE: Eagle 2 ARF & 4 Stroke Engine?
 
You suck elad. :( Definetely NOT tshirt weather here.

Tom, Bill, Don and any others...need some advice here about engines.

Ok, I'm sure you guys already know I have the worlds most finiky engine. So I'll try to keep this as short as possible (for me), and post the question afterwards.

-When I start my engine, I have my throttle all the way down and throttle trim all the way up. I usually have to back it off to about 3/4 after it starts as it will lunge a bit bit idles nicely at abotu 3/4 trim throttle and throttle stick at 0.
-When I attempt to gas her up using trim throttle, it runs VERY rough. Spitting and spitting. I have to go very slowly, even more so when it's cold and cold outside. One trim position at a time until I hit the high mark. At the high mark trim throttle, it is running about 2x the rpm that what it idles at normally
-Each trim position after 1/2 seems to really increase the rpm.
-I then have to slowly click my throttle up to about the 2nd notch, then I can reeve it up all the way. Right after that, I back completely off on the throttle...and have the trim throttle all the way up...and it runs with fast rpm. Like it is now warmed up.
-If I let it go at this stage I could taxi at 5 mph easily.
-What can I do to tune this thing better? Is it running way rich? If I lean it out it seems too lean on the high end. Is this the 'other' setting?

---I have three 'valves'. The big one on the side(needle) one that opens or closes a little hole in the front of the Carb. And one that limits the range the throttle opens and closes.

-Also, on landing. I can't seem to find that happy throttle that will allow a nice landing. Obviously wind changes things alot. But with little to no wind, I am just wondering. How can I adjust these settings to allow for a steady decline while allowing for a bit of lift.
I have tried no throttle and about 3/4 trim throttle. Drops too fast, nice and gentle but you have to really pull back to keep it level and like I said drops too fast. If I go up a bit on the trim, it wants to keep flying almost.

Gimme some suggestions here. I want to concentrate on feathering it in nice and soft. With those big wheels it bounces a bit. At worse I get a 1 foot bounce, and best at least 1 wheel will bounce up. My best landings are in the grass, they look sweet.

Good times today...took off and landed about 20 times :) Even took off on the grass today, which I've never done. Anyway, any tips for tuning would help guys. Thanks.

S

William Robison 11-17-2003 12:02 AM

RE: Eagle 2 ARF & 4 Stroke Engine?
 
Sincraft:

Get it running at full speed, peak the HS needle. Down to idle, pinch the fuel line. Adjust the LS needle until the pinch gives a slight rise in rpm before falling off with the pinch. Go back to full and set the HS where you normally have it for flight. Now back to idle for a moment, then go to full. If the transition is now clean, leave it alone. More probably it will sag a little, so open the LS a bit and recheck the high speed - the two needles will interact a bit - and recheck the transition.

Can be a bother to get it right, but once it's there you might never have to touch it again, unless you make a large change in the fuel.

Bill.

Sincraft 11-17-2003 01:25 AM

RE: Eagle 2 ARF & 4 Stroke Engine?
 
Thanks Frill Throbin Man. I knew you were lurking out there somewheres. :P

I did that pinch thing earlier this year to exude like I knew what the heck I was doing. It raised up in RPM quickly and a decent amount. I will try your suggestions, thanks. I am however going to purchase a pair of sunglasses I like and that are shatterproof. Then purchase a long screw driver. That prop scares me and I get more and more complacent around it. That scares me even more. I've even had a nightmare about it.

I had to do some serious rigging to get my plane fueled today. Forgot my fuel bulb :( So I had to remove the tank and remove all those difficult parts just to pour the fuel in. When I got it disassembled the first time, what I poured out was very disguisting. It looked ORANGE and almost like a 50% oil content. I am wondering if there is some sort of filter you can put on your return line to ensure a good return instead of all that oil coming in.
Running this thing rich will extend the life of my engine correct? Its a enya 40 ss. Non ringed. Still seems to have alot of power and when I fly it on 3/4 to full power I scream through the air. Just wondering also how long (hours) can I expect to have this engine?

Thanks..

S

William Robison 11-17-2003 01:54 AM

RE: Eagle 2 ARF & 4 Stroke Engine?
 
Shrink Wrapped:

I like to use a filter on the muffler pressure hose as well as the feed line to the engine, just for that reason. You are always going to get an amount of oil returned to the tank, but the filter keeps the larger bits out. And if you always run the fuel out at the end of a day's flying you wont have a large accumulation of oil and other liquid gunk - fresh fuel will dilute it and keep the tank rinsed.

You should never lose your respect for the prop. Even an 0.020 can do damage, a 1.20 can literally take fingers off. And a medium power electric can substitute for a meat grinder.

Back in the "Old days" everybody hand started their engines. I don't know how many times I've regrown the skin on the back of my right index and middle fingers - I'm stuck on electric starters now. Of course, a 0.35 was the normal size then, with a 0.60 you were either flying control line speed or contest free flight. There have been some changes since then.

Safety glasses are not uncalled for, I have a nice pair of shooting glasses (amber color) that not only protect my eyes, the color increases contrast and makes the planes more easily seen. If you've never tried the amber, do so. Go to your local sporting goods store and stick a pair on, look out the door. And they still work well at dusk, perhaps even better then than in the sunlight.

Bill.


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