Do it mate. I would be very interested to see what the CEN shafts are like compared to the Jato ones.

right - this may well send u to sleep... the hardness results are as follows. all figures are in Brinell, if u care, its more a reletive thing really. to give u some idea tho, regular non treated carbon/mild steel comes in about 130-150ish, and a weld on carbon steel is around 200 Brinell.

i grabbed a few relevant bits for comparison, turns out they are all regular carbon steel, no fancy grades, just heat treated and/or blued.

Cen Genesis Spur Gear (43t) - 540
Cen FF Heavy Duty Diff Gear (43t) - 600
Cen Genesis Pinion (21t) - 340
Cen FF CVD (Outer part) - 520

Ofna Ultra 2 speed Pinion (15t) - 500
Ofna Hyper 10 Pinion (15t) - 400

Stock Tmaxx CVD (outer steel part - not the plastic part!) - 400

all that says to me is that the cen ff cvds are a fair bit too hard/brittle and the genesis pinions are way too soft to deal with the .46 engine, or at least the ones from the batch i have are too soft, especially considering that a .28 will eat the much harder ofna ultra pinions after 1/2 a gallon or so when run on the genesis spurs, also bare in mind a 15t will wear quicker than a 21t. the gen spurs and cen ff hd diff gear are nice hard items tho.

hope u are sufficiently bored/satisfied with that! i dont have any jato shafts as yet to test - sorry.

Hail PJ,
I've been following this for a few days now and I think this info should be made available by the Manuf's and these money-grabbers should be assuring us with some QC protocols about batch testing!!!
Cheers,
CR

Anybody have a chance to test out the jato shafts yet? I took my mt2 out today to run around on the street in fornt of my house and it is the coldest temperature i've ever run it in before. at about 4 when i took it out it was -34 celcius or -29 fahrenheight. I was taking it easy becasue i know that my plastic steering parts break easy in the cold. After i had been out about 20 mins I drove off a curb at only about 5 mph and one of my wheels came off and was rolling away from my truck. Turns out my front shaft snappedright where the pin goes through that holds the hex on. it was my last shaft and i have a few days off.
Just wondering if i should just get cen shafts for the time being or get the jatos.
Thanks

in fairness, the temp is not ideal at all, whatever u use... i would try to fit some bigger shafts - maybe the swift shaft mod? of rollands.

weather is too miserable here - blowy n wet, to bother going out at the mo, but am looking out for the swift parts as always

I was thinking about doing that mod, as I run it in freezing temps about 6 months of the year lol. Is there anywhere where the required parts for that mod are listed or just go through the thread?

This should get you started. The only link I didn't provide is for the bearings.
The SHO is the same as the PRP Swift the only reason I linked to the SHO parts is because they have pictures and the Swift links wouldn't. You should be able to use the SHO parts, I have looked and compared the two at my LHS and they are the same.
Ace also sells the Swift parts which are cheaper.

You will have to use 17mm hex wheels for this such as the Romulins or buggy wheels.


RD Logics SHO parts

http://www.acehardwarehobbies.com/2....ducts_id=12660

http://www.acehardwarehobbies.com/2....ducts_id=12602

http://www.acehardwarehobbies.com/2....ducts_id=12623

http://www.acehardwarehobbies.com/2....ducts_id=12658

http://www.acehardwarehobbies.com/2....ducts_id=12631


rolland

awesome. thanks

Just ordered some parts to do the shaft mods. Thanks so much for that rolland.

I know this is WAAAY off topic here but i was looking through the shaft mod thread(boy was that long) and i saw PJ's honda. (very nice)
Since i see that you are both into cars and in the UK, I was wondering if you could point me in the right direction to get some parts (only if you know somewhere off the top of your head, Dont bother if no)
But i have a 1980 MG midget 1500 that is about 80% restored and i want to give the engine a bit more power and give it a 5 speed.
Also i have a 1976 triumph TR7 that currently has a toyota 2.0L quad carb racing engine in it but i am getting ready to drop a chevy small block 350 in it. i need to find some new suspension parts and maybe a few body parts.
Sorry for asking but i have had both these cars for a few years now and it is HARD to find parts in North america let alone canada.
I just figured that maybe there are some major parts places in the UK that everyone knows about there but i have never heard of.

Thanks

dustin... try these guys... I used to work for them about 10 years ago.. the largers british parts distrib in the US and prob world.... http://www.mossmotors.com/ hopefully they can help you out.....

moss know there stuff, so i am told, nice one cenracer.

dustin - have u tried Triumph and MG forums and/or clubs in the UK? the clubs often have dealings with international members and owners - just a thought, i get all my crx bits that way and save a fortune.

oh - and thanks, i love the s800 mate [8D].

rolland - good to see that list again, mate, this spring will be the end of my plastic shafts i reckon. cant fault them tho, i never expected em to last as well as they did. hopefully the swift shafts wont just make my tranny go bang instead!

good idea i never really thought of forums. Moss is ok but they only carry stock parts and mostly handle mgb stuff. Midgets are getting hard to find. Same for pretty much all triumphs.
Ill have to chekc some forums out.
thx
I realize this is an RC thread but that is really a sweeet honda. There never were any hondas like that in north america, I am just curious as to who made the engines, body, electrical for that car? Japanese or british? I have a 64 colt and it is a dodge make but has an identical engine to my mg and has lucas wiring. Just wondering if your honda is similar?

Have the Jato shafts, havent had time to mod the hubs and make em fit yet tho.

How's that Honda of yours coming on PJ? Haven't had any updates for a while.
Dustin, my girlfriends dad recently bought a '78 Midget with sixty miles on the clock!! Some rich collector had bought nearly one hundred cars and stored them in a warehouse for appreciation purposes. He never got round to selling them and when he passed away they were bought by an MG specialist dealer who then sold them to the public. Talk about lucky!!!
I am still looking for my project vehicle. Looking for a practical classic, good spares availability and not too hard to work on. Any ideas?

In my search for tr7 and midget parts, I have come across TONS of MGB parts. Moss motors even makes some nice aftermarket parts; superchargers, suspension, etc. Too bad they don't handle many Midget parts. MGB's are good daily drivers too. Personally I will be picking up a Jag XK120 when I'm done school if i can find one. Love those jags.

I wasn't aware that there was a pre 1970 Colt. The vast majority of the Colt's were manufactured by Mitsubishi for Dodge.
There is a possibility that it is using Sunbeam parts. Chrysler bought out Sunbeam, but I thought that that didn't happen untill the late 60's.



rolland

WOW you really know your stuff. that was a typo it should say 74. I thought they were made by mitsu also but the engine is identical to my midget except the carb setup and linkage. Not sure about the tranny. The wiring is definately lucas . I actually stole a side marker and the signal blinker box to use in my MG. Weird.

Also, I am assuming that ofna 17mm hex hubs will work too for the shaft conversion? It's just that they go for cheap on ebay.

which shaft conversion? they should work with the swift shafts, yea, i have them on my tmaxx modded shafts too, but they wont go onto either the jato or cen shafts.

S800 is sulking cos its too cold (salty and wet roads) to go out and play, so i just give it a little wipe down, fire up and roll around the block (illegally!!) to keep it freed up for now. shhhhh dont tell anyone...

Well... No more driving my mt2 until i get these swift shaft mod parts... broke a dogbone and a shaft and stripped a spur one day and had no spare shafts or dogbones. So I put 2 shafts on the rear and drove it 2wd. Ran it for about 1/2 hour and all of the sudden the engine would rev up and it would barely move. I automatically assumed that i had meshed the gears incorrectly and brought it in to melt the snow off. When i finally took it apart it appears i broke another shaft .
I sure hope ace ships fast lol.

i guess i could take these shafts apart and make one good shaft out of them and then i will have two good shafts.
The weather has finally gotten up to -8 C today so it would not be bad to drive in.

Got UP to -8!! Man,we get half an inch of snow in this country and the whole place grinds to a halt and panics!!

well just got back from +35C in california no snow, come home and its snowing and -15C, could of had my truck out but i just got my wheel nuts in now(ordered them weeks ago!, because there now is no dealer near my area and has to be shipped in)

You're lucky mulletman. We had a few -40 nights this week. And a nice windchill on top of that too.
Good timing for a holiday.

I wish it was like that here scouser. Anything warmer than -15 only requires a hooded sweatshirt and maybe some gloves and a toque if it's windy.

dustin.. are you anywhere near calgary.. I think by your address your in alberta but I don't know where you are... My friend owned a british car business in calgary called british auto service... He passed away about 8 years ago, but I would think the place is still there.. I went up there once to go skiing at lake louise and at Banff... almost stayed there for good... His business specialized in mgb's and midgets especially performance parts.. Look them up and see if they are still around..

Thanks for the tip man. I am currently going to school in calgary. I really want to have this Midget completely finished by summer. I will have to try and find that place.
Yeah, banff is beautiful and only an hours drive from Calgary.

I have been a long time Chrysler enthusiast. It probably is a re-badged Sunbeam or maybe even a Jensen. The Canadian cars were different than the American cars until the late 70's.

You can use the Ofna hexes, that is what I am using.
I haven't really heard anything bad about Ace. My LHS had the parts in stock so I didn't have to order them.

You should order an extra set of the diff cups because if you shorten them to much they will not work. Its kind of a pain but go slow with the shortening and trial fit several times to make sure that you get the right length.

rolland