Dont get me wrong Ed, I respect your products, but please dont wash your dirty linen in public, you may just get this thread shut down for your 'outburst' above, please pm whoever you need to contact. Please do not upset alot of your prospective / existing customers with such aggressive postings. For me...you just lost an order for 2 ES pipes for my 110" yak, I shall be changing my mind and ordering KS tomorrow after seeing your post.

KS are very polite! and realise the customer is king!!

i dont care to see that kind of post on here either, but i am just an innocent bystander at the moment so my opinion may not matter

Well the last pertinent posts were what Ultra coat colors are on the red white and blue extra....and I posted about fixing my incidence. Any comments about those two topics?

As far as the ultracoat the blue is ultracoat "Deep Blue". I had to patch a part of the fus, the color is perfect cant even see the patch. The reason I was asking is b/c I am Red / Green color blind so it makes coordination a problem, my LHS helped me match the color.

>> I will be checking my incidence before I fly for the 1st time, i didn't know it was so easy 2 do.

Well the wind was blowing 30+ km/h tonight with gusts up to 50 so needless to say the maiden of my Extra will have to wait....again......ugh!

I was able to find a M5 x 90mm bolt for the spinner. I had to cut some additional threads, grind the diameter of the head down and cut it to 70mm in length but my spinner is now mounted. [:@]

Now if the wind would die down I can get this thing in the air.

BTW Are any of you guys going to be at the Rally of Giants later this month?

It's June 11 and I have only had mine out three times. I keep waiting for the weather to get better to get some more flights on mine. I think I have around 10 or so. Normally I would have flown much more by this time of the year. I usually start in April. Maybe I should be working on my incidence !!!!

Dudes,
Any of u fools running 3 blade props with you DA 50 on this plane ? hows it working out ?

I am, it works a charm for me... There just so darn expensive though...LOL...[8D]

Quick question guys. I am using a Hitec HS 425BB servo (57oz.in torque) for the throttle. I just found out it
has nylon gears. I have 6 flights on the extra to date with no issues. Should I switch it for a metal gear servo or leave it
as is?

Leave it. It's fine. I just recommend standard size servos over the mini stuff...the mini's are too fragile for the vibrations of big gas engines. I prefer high torque metal gear myself but QQ prefers nylon gears so I think you are good with QQ's method.

Thanks Joe,

I didn't think it would be a problem. I have to say that this is one awesome plane. My DA 50 seems to get better with each
flight. I just put a new mejzlik carbon prop and a petes model carbon spinner on the plane and it really looks great and
performance is better than the xoar. I really can't wait to fly it again I actually go through flying withdrawls

ive used standard old futaba nylon gear on a gas plane before, no problem, i do like the mini hiteck 225 though, metal gear and FAST, used that on my yak, almost too fast for the motor to deal with it, so i think you can use almost anything you like, my buddy used the 81 or whatever that hiteck micro one is, so far so good, i wouldnt go any smaller than the 225 myself though

Yes, it was an incidence problem. both my stabs were out by 2 degrees.

I'd be lying if i said i wasn't a little dissapointed that ive had to fix this problem. There is somthing about relying on the integrity of toothpicks that doesn't sit right with me. Ive poxied the toothpick butts to the anti-rotation pins so they fit firmly in the hole now. Hopefully they hold.

I paid 900 AUD dollars for this plane. Im not impressed that i have had to purchase another 60 AUD dollars worth of equipment to fix a brand new plane. (yep, the retail hobby market in oz is expensive)

Oh well... i will look on the bright side.... despite these problems, it's still IMHO the best 50cc out there.

I hope that EF gets a handle on these issues.My EF Yak 74 inch was quite out of alignment,but was easy to take care off.Alot of the Ebay planes seem to come out correct,but have many other problems.EF needs to stay way above that type of quality control.
I know when you get a big production run,tolerances can get sloppy,but I am sure Chris is feeling the pressure to get these planes out on time and have them square.I can see that these superlight frames are prone to flexing during covering and shipment/drying.
I still want to buy one,it will cost me a big bundle (950$) and I'd really not want to spend an entire evening carving/aligning new slots for incidences.

950 $ is that b/c of exchange rate or shipping ?

Shipping costs mostly...our Canadian dollar is about even,sometimes higher with the US for the last few months.
Yeah,about 150-180 shipping another 90-120 brokerage and taxes on top.Could be close to a 1000$,I can cut some costs via border pick up.
That goes for almost any 50cc, triple box at 650 US.Its not EF's fault,just a general cost of getting something of this value and size shipped here.

For 950.00 I think it ships with one of the workers That assemble it for you...LOL...

is that what the 3 rd box is for?

Dude do this ( if you can ) order the plane, have it shipped to a UPS ground office closest to the US / Canada border where you live. Then go pick it up, this way shipping would be about 140.00 USA, even if you have to spend a whole day driving its worth it. You live close to the boarder here is what u do

Ship it to :

UPS AUTHORIZED SHIPPING OUTLET
CAN-AMER FREIGHT
1160 YEW AVE
BLAINE, WA 98230
360-332-6525

Then Go pick it up, here is directions from surry BC:

From: Surrey, BCCanada
Change location or drag marker


Drive: 17.3 km – about 19 mins
17.3 km – about 19 mins
1. Head west on 56 Ave/HWY-10 W toward King George Hwy
Continue to follow HWY-10 W 0.2 km
2. Turn left at King George Hwy 4.2 km
3. Take the Route 99 S ramp to Seattle 0.6 km
4. Merge onto HWY-99 S
Entering United States (Washington) 9.5 km
5. Continue on I-5 S 0.4 km
6. Take exit 276 for WA-548 S toward Blaine City Center/Peace Arch State Park 0.2 km
7. Merge onto Peace Portal Dr/WA-548 0.4 km
8. Turn left at H St 1.2 km
9. Turn right at WA-543 0.4 km
10. Turn left at Boblett St 34 m
11. Turn right at Yew Ave 0.2 km
To: 1160 Yew AveBlaine, WA 98230

And PRESTO, you dont pay squat for shipping.

>>> OOPS you already thought of this oh well follow the directions anyway

>> 1 box for FUS, 1 box for Wing, 1 box for cowl

I start my new Area 51 mounted on my EF Extra 300 today that I purchase from EF last week. The Area 51 has a Vess 23A and it turned 7000 rpm on stock muffler. Pulling power felt real strong. Looks like a good motor for $400. Plan on maiden flight tomorrow.

Bill you have got to be the biggest superstar that I know [sm=lol.gif] but.......... I really hope you were in a hurry when you typed this.

The Area 51 sounds like a real good engine. Can't see Chris carring junk either. I hope that the maiden goes okay tomorrow.

See ya

Mr. Skopera,

Please forgive me if I have offended you. If you will please re-read my original post I did not make any personal attacks on your company, customer service, or to you personally. My original intent was not to bash you or your products, but just reported my experiences with them. Like I said before, your pipes work, they are light, make more power than the KS Pipe, but the KS pipe works good and lasts longer. And to me that makes practical sense. No, I am not a technical guy, even though I am an expert in my technical field, But I have a decent set of thumbs and I think I know what works and what doesn't. I did not call you anymore because I simply choose not too use your products.

Hey Guys,

I finally got to maiden my Extra this weekend and it went well. In fact it went much better than well. The guys were booing from the pits because the first take off and circuit were so uneventful. It took 3 clicks of up elevator and one click of right aileron to trim it for level flight. On the 45 upline after a roll to inverted it starts to shallow out slowly so it may be a touch nose heavy. I'll install the pilot and move the ignition pack back a bit and see if that fixes it.

Slow rolls, knife edge and 4 point rolls were all effortless and I felt so comfortable with this plane I was doing all those and more on the first flight. What a dream to fly!!!!!!! Chris you have a real winner here. The motor is brand new so I haven't tried any hovering yet but I'm sure it will be a treat.

Is anyone following this thread attending the Rally of Giants in two weeks?



Happy Landings
Scott

So I am thinking of going with the KS pipe after all, here are my estimations ( engine DA50)

KS pipe + header 415g which is 0.92 pounds

ES pipe + Header 311g which is 0.69 pounds

Weight savings with an ES pipe would be roughly 0.25 - .35 LBS accounting for fudge factor (eah not really worth the potential hassel IMO)

>> Sound about right to you guys ?

As fas as ES they have a good product but I am very hard on my aircraft so I think Aluminum pipe is the way to go.

Anyone use a Greve pipe for the DA 50


>>> Good job sockarke - your ship looks good, call bad brad and get u some graphics !

Glad your maiden went so well. Mine also needed up and right clicks. I'm taking Thursday off to really run mine through the paces. Supposed to be a nice day. I'll burn a gallon at least.