IM READING ALL THESE THREADS ON OIL TYPES AND ENGINE TYPES THEY ARE GOOD FOR. I WAS GOING TO USE AMSOIL UNTIL I READ THAT BELRAY(HIGH QUALITY OIL) SAYS TO RUN THE BELRAY AT MANUFACTURERS RECOMMENDED RATIO. I RUN ZENOAH ENGINES ON LAWNBOY AND ABOUT TO SWITCH. IF YOU RUN A ZENOAH ON AMSOIL AT 100:1 AND IT BURNS UP WILL THEY WARRANTY IT?? CAN YOU RUN THE AMSOIL SABER AT 32:1 IF SO DESIRED WITH NO BAD EFFECTS.?? OR SHOULD I USE THE BELRAY OR ANOTHER TYPE ? THE ZENOAH ENGINES RUN GOOD AT 32:1 OIL CONTENT. ALL OPINIONS AND EXPERIENCES WELCOME ON THIS. THE BOTTOM LINE IS I DO NOT WANT TO REDUCE THE OIL CONTENT BELOW 32:1 ,IF I USE AMSOIL SABER AT 32:1 -- CAN IT WORK??? WILL IT CAUSE PROBLEMS. IS AMSOIL SO MUCH BETTER THEN BELRAY THAT YOU CAN RUN IT AT 100:1 AND BELRAY RUN AT MANU SPEC RATIO. AND DO THE MANUFACTURERS OF THE ENGINE AGREE WITH THE PROTECTION AVAILABLE AT 100:1 WITH THE SABER. THANKS FOR HELP FROM YOU ALL.

Good questions that become worth answering when the person asking is not yelling at everyone. Check the caps lock....

I'd agree, when everything is in all CAPS it's very hard to read, especially when it's one loing sentence

I would think that if you run an engine beyond what it says to use for an oil mix, the warranty will be null and void. It's not hard to tell what ratio you have run it at. Besides, 100:1 does not leave any tolerance for a mis-tuned engine.

Dont understand the first response. Dont remember yelling at you about anything. Anyhow what can you tell me about oil?? What i really want to know is will it cause good or bad effects with amsoil saber at 32:1 p.s. i may have yelled at you--sorry

All caps is called yelling.

I run Amsoil 100:1, but I've been running it at about 40:1. I think Mr. Murphy was an optimist. I've had no oil problems running at this mixture. For breaking in I mix it to 32:1.

Make it last use Amsoil Saber 100-1 32:1 4 oz. to a gallon, high performance 25:1 or 21:1 5-6 oz. to a gallon

The FACTS are that you can use ANY 2-stroke oil thats designed for an air-cooled engine.

Mix it according to the label on the oil bottle and go fly it. If the bottle says to mix it at 32:1--then thats what you do. That particular oil was designed to work and provide the right protection at that ratio. If the bottle says 50:1--then mix it at 50:1, because that oil was designed to provide protection at that ratio.

Some oils have multiple ratios listed on the bottle. Pick the richest one for break in and the middle one for normal flying.

It's not hard. Some guys just THINK it is.

Do you think your grandpa had Super Duper Synthetic Turbo Prop Twister 2000 oil when he was cutting trees back in 1952? How long did his chainsaw last? You probably still got it out in the garage, and it probably still runs. That was straight "dino" oil from rotten dinosaur corpses and it worked just fine back then.

Even the cheapest black label oil on the bottom shelf at Wal-Mart is 10 times better oil than what was available back then. Trust me--just buy some 2-stroke oil for an air-cooled engine and run it.

Your engine is going to hit the dirt and get busted in half -- looooooooong before you wear it out because of not using $50/quart synthetic oil.

BTW: I sometimes use caps for emphasis. Using all caps for your entire post is considered "yelling" on the internet. It's just a courtesy to use the best punctuation and spelling you can muster. Makes it easier for people to read. [sm=thumbs_up.gif]

Hi.

Results of a oil test I ran a couple of years ago. You might find it useful.

http://www.geistware.com/rcmodeling/...test/index.htm

Elson

I run Zenoah engines and use a good quality oil that is readily available to me, reasonably priced and that is known to work well in our engines. For me that happens to be Bel Ray MC-1 mixed at 50:1.

Karol

Amsoil Saber (100:1) is designed for lean lubrication applications and was not designed to be run at 32:1. Amsoil designed another oil called Dominator (50:1) that can be used in richer lubrication situations such as 32:1. It is best, if you are going to use Amsoil to use the proper product.

Since my ZDZ80RV is supposed to use 40:1 oil and premium gasoline, as recommended by the manufacturer, I mix Amsoil Dominator at 40:1 with 91 octane gasoline and use it in all of my engines (ZDZ, Brison, Zenoah, and Sachs-Dolmar). After several years, I have never had a bit of problem with this mix and I do fly a lot. I don't think you can buy a bad synthetic oil for use in our engines the way we fly them.

Make sure that the oil you buy has a rating of API TC (higher temperature, air cooled) and not TC-W3 (water cooled engines). If it has both ratings then it should be OK.

Of course, good air cooling is as or more important than what we use for lubrication.

http://www.lubeoilsales.com/products/fab_four.htm

You can use almost any 2-stroke oil in our gasoline plane engines. Whatever oil you use, be sure to mix it at the oil manufacturer's recommended ratios. Oils are designed to provide proper lubrication at certain ratios, and mixing it at anything else is asking for trouble.

I've used Amsoil Sabre at 100:1 (its designed mix ratio) in a Zenoah G-62, G-38, and a G-23. I've experienced no problems. This oil, at this mix, burns cleanly and provides excellent lubrication.

Dr.1

Just got my 5yr. old 3-w 150 back.Thought it was time to have Bobby go thru it. I've used Amsoil Saper at 80:1. Bobby said there was some carbon on the pistons but not bad, and the rings and bearings where good. Showed no wear. Dennis

Elson , rcbugman Thanks very much. the info you provided was just what i was looking for. True live tested facts. thanks

I agree with Karolh.....I've run Bel Ray MC-1 for 7-8 years now at 50:1 without problems. Very easy for me to get at my local Harley dealer. Others may be fine, but not so easy to get for me.......[8D]

I agree with rcpilet, Your engine will distroy its self from a colision way before your engine wares out.

When have you everseen a post like " My engine is worn out I should have used amsoil"

fact "my engine is broken in 2 and my crank is bent".

This may come as a surprize to some of you, but not all people crash planes. we have members who have not had a crash in 15 years and fly every day. I myself learned to fly on a g2. went directly to flying the actual plane. never on a cord even once. almost 3 years later, have not yet crashed my first plane. yes its been in the bushes and landing gears broken but never a crash. if you do maintenance checks and dont make foolish moves beyond your skills when you fly, you will bring it home every time. to some of you, maybe you know what you are doing useing crap oil. not trying to be sarcastic to anyone here, but these are the facts. if every plane you ever flew crashed, it was your fault every time for one reason or another.

540 talking about crashing is getting a little off topic, but while we're here if you don't push your skills you never get better. And if you push you will crash at some time. Also there's the equipment problems, things you can't check for. I don't want to rain on your parade, but it will happen. Think mid-air. Dennis

If servos never failed in flight or batteries did not drop a cell or engines never shutoff in flight as well I would believe this but fact is things do happen beyond what you could possibly check. Yes proper checking of batteries can help you see a problem with a cell but if a solder joint comes apart on a tab and the battery was isolated from vibrations, and the tab was covered in heat shrink then how are you going to tell? I've had one engine crack the crankcase in flight resulting in a dead stick, ended up replacing the crankcase because of a defect in material. Again not able to forsee this. These planes were not lost

How about covering lifting in flight because the balsa below it separated (some staying glued to the wing ribs and some staying attached to the covering) on a certain ARF. This Yak was known for this on the first production run and many were lost. In my case I did a video review of the plane and with date/time on the tape. 2 hours after the ironing I flew the maiden and the covering on the left wing lifted, letting air inside the wing thus destroying the wing internal structure. this one I did crash, had no choice as it was heading towards the pits and I was losing control to the point I could no longer keep it going in one direction.

I'm not trying to be a pain, I am showing that you can have problems beyond what you can possibly do to prevent them. Yes they were manufacturing defects but nothing the pilot could have done to forsee them so not every crash is pilot error. I would love to hear what caused your off field landings and gear removals.

I can appreciate what 540horses is alluding to, as in my 29 years of flying RC I have had only 5 major crashes, most of which took place in my earlier and mostly self taught days, while acquiring basic flying skills.

On the other hand, my best friend and flying buddy who started flying at about the same time has had numerous crashes for one reason or the other while progressing to being an outstanding aerobatic pilot, who now competes at the Masters and Unlimited levels, while I am absolutely content being a simple weekend sport flier.

Different strokes for different folks.

Karol

That's my point karloh, if you push the bounders to get to the level of your friend you will crash. No if, and or buts. If you are happy going flying around, great, but understand someone who crashes because he's not afraid of new things. Dennis

Are we spatting? Why? Some crash some don't....so be it. Not everyone is perfect Heck I crash once a month but I am trying to do things that are sort of new to me. Things I did on sim are not as they seem in real life...so be it. BTW I use motul in my engines and mix it 50:1. It seems to be the best for my engines. I raced MX for 5 yrs and currently own 12 2 stroke engines that all run fine with no issues. Never a hard start, dead stick, fouled plug...nada. Just as stated above make sure to mix to the mfgr's spec's. (oil mfgr's specs). I have run some oil at 32:1 and some at 100:1...depending on the oil used. Make sure you dont buy injector oil....buy a premix oil.

Of course we are not, we are just having fun while making a point. Guess we should close down this offshoot before we get formally kicked off

Karol

you are all correct, and for sure, i know that i have crashes in my future. however to make a statment that you should use any crap oil because you will smash it anyway is nuts. most of the things mentioned by bubba gates i have seen with other members in the club. but its always the same guys these things happen to. we are all in search of the best performing planes we can muster and some guys never have problems with any of the things mentioned. what i have found out from this is the oil you use can make the differance in long term costs. ive learned that for the type of flying i do, and the fact i don't care about clean up. the best oil choice for me is belray h1r. im going to try it instead of the amsoil due to the information you have all provided me with. i thank you all. if anyone knows common supply store names that stock this please let me know. thanks again.

Nobody is suggesting that you use cheap oil in your engine.

The point I was trying to make is this:
People worry about oil too much. It's a 2-stroke engine. One of the simplest internal combustion designs ever invented. If you just put oil in the fuel--it will likey run until you are dead, or you crash it.

ANY oil we have today has got to be 10 times better than 2-stroke oil that was available 35yrs ago. Those engines are still running today. So, pick a name brand and use it. Stop worrying about it.

And yes, you will crash it, if you push your skills and ability. Thats how you get good BTW. You don't become an overnight 3D pro flying Nascar left hand turns around the field at 300' altitude.

I suggest you do some searches in this forum. Your questions and concerns have already been addressed 100 times in this forum. The information is here. You just have to find it and take the time to read it.

Good point...