Here's a tip for finding a tank leak.

Connect one end of your fuel line to the pickup, and the other end to the pressure tap on the tank, making a loop. Fill a sink with hot water, and submerge the empty tank in it. The air in the tank expands and will bubble out of the leak. Try it.

www.rcshobbieslaportein.com ( like I said, it's a mom and pop/son [the dad used to run it, but he's in wheelchair, and doesn't get around too good anymore] hobby shop, but they're also on the internet and doing shows/fly-in's).............check them out, real good prices on everything!

I'll try that trick out with my extra tank, thanks!


I'm dyin' to fly again, we got another 1" of snow, maybe tommorrow (winter ain't no good!)

I got the pump on the citabria, and took it out saturday, it was able to hover with no problem, and it was lots of fun, but sunday a crawfish mound took the plane out and looked like a scale palne crash, parts flew and there was a skid trail. the bottom of the plane is torn up.
Now i got a extra 300--ill be able to hover it i think.

Jive Turkey,
remember my advise about pizza box hovering 1st? yea well it does not work that way. I can hover the cr** out of my pizza box but i'm not very good with my knife....i guess its gallons and gallons of fuel for me!
I just changed receivers to one i can use with my computer radio...now i can try a little expo...see if that will calm down my over-corrections. also not sure of my set up...gonna try 5" back for cg maybe that will help.
looking forward to N.C. FF...hope to learn some there.
can't complain...plane flys great and the weather has been BEAUTIFUL!

Hacker, if I learn to hover the knife, then build a pizza box ( which is going to be my next plane, this year sometime) hopefully I'll be able to hover both this year! I love the concept of P.B.F., I just haven't gotten around to put one together ( spent booku bucks on the ys, just a flight pack now, would put me in the poorhouse!) But to have a cheap, inexpensive, plane capable of all the pbf dishes out (hard to believe for a 2x2 piece of coro!!!) that you can haul around on the floor board of your truck, AWESOME! Maybe it's good though, that I start out with something a little more diff. than a pbf.

I'm using expo (about 50-60%) on all surfaces, and I love it!

Over-corrections and under-corrections eliminated, for me = HOVER ALL DAY LONG!!!!!!!


Why don't you rub-in that thing about the weather a little more next time.....LOL!!!!( well, actually, it's not very funny)[ my bro. just got back from ft. myers, and we just had that conversation today............"what are we doing living in MI?"]

JIVE TURKEY,
want me to send you a job classified?
we have lots of relatives in grand rapids...they keep asking themselves the same question....

For anyone that has G2 if you go to the Realflight swap page at the Realflight web site, aircraft, page 4 and download the Ultimate 3D. You will not believe how well this plane will hover. It is fantastic to practice with and seems to be the same as say my Top Cap as far as rudder response and realistic hover. No add-ons are needed with this plane. The weather was crummy last weekend and I spent a ton of time with it. It has a DA 150 and tons of power. Jeff

Flipper,
is the g2 worth it? been thinking about it

I am using a 2 Gig Dell and it is real as hell as far as I am concerned. I have learned a lot and tried things low and slow with airplanes and heli's that I would not have tried in real life. You can learn things and train your brain with only a reset to worry about with out buying and building a new plane. With the newer faster PC's I think it is great. It worked OK on my older 450 mhz PC but when I went to a faster PC to me it was perfect. You can really learn a lot. I went through what would have been 10,000 dollars in Heli parts the first weekend I had the G2 and just laughed. Great tool IMHO.

thanks,
now who am i gonna get to pay for it?

Got to go out and burn a gallon this afternoon (83 degrees , sunny, wind about 10 mph)
Question....why can I hover and hold it steady (even let it torque roll) while it drifts down wind...try it into wind and it is a nightmare. knife either falls out (left,right or forward) or wants to fly out or climb.The little i can hold her is not very steady....wing rocks..im all over the place.
also i can harrier down wind easy...up wind its up,down and all over....more gallons of fuel, or do i have a fatal error?

More fuel......

You'll get it. doesnt sound like its doing anything ab-normal

Thanks Wayne.......more fuel it is!

Check your CG. Move it back in small amounts until you can fly inverted with almost no down elevator. This will also help flatten out your flat spins.

goinstraightup,
will give it a try in about45 min from now....will let you know how it works

Hacker, the first time I "really" tried to hover my knife, last sat., I hovered pretty good the first time out, but I did do some damage to the front on a hard, unplanned landing after trying it too low. So after beefing up the front, taking it out again, it was a LOT harder, if not nearly impossible for me to hold it for any length of time. So the change in CG made a BIG difference! I moved it back,
and am anxious to go back out. Maybe tommorow.


I don't think I'll get a better computer soon, so G2 isn't in my near future, so I'm going to learn the "hard" way! ( hopefully, not more expensive, than going out and buying 2 gig's and g-2 )

Jive Turkey, Goinstraightup,
i think you guys are correct...went out this afternoon it was way too windy to try moving cg around (20 mph breeze)but nice en warm 85....takes a lot of down to hold her steady when inverted.will try moving cg back next trip , sat morning..did see some improvement today hard to really tell with that kind of wind lots of fun slooooow backwards type landings....thanks for all the help. will keep you posted

O.K., I'm building a pbf to enhance my learning-to-hover-experience, just bought a flight pack and an o.s. 40 la. It's going to fit behind the seat of my truck, and stay there for those fly-just-once-or-maybe-twice-on-the-way-home-from-work urges ( I'll probably get that urge every day!)!

Now your talking JIVE, it's way too nasty out to be beating up your knife learning to hover. I go through buchanan almost everyday, lets hook up and fly our pbf's together. 2 hover junkies are better than 1.

I'm so glad to finally see a local (well close) into hovering as much as myself. I have been following the thread closely and it reminds me of when I started hovering, REMEMBER it takes PATIENCE and lots of fuel/time or experience. I still have tons to learn and I think we would only motivate each other.

They say your only as good as the guys you fly with. Well the guys I fly with now all own at least one piper cub lol, not great company when it comes to hovering. And the guy I learned to hover with is into rc cars now, but he says he'll do some flying this year. We used to grab each others HOTS out of the air and release, I hope to be able to do it alone this year. At 33 I have tons of time and lots more to learn.

Side Note on Real Flight. I inherited an old 300mhz PC. Real Flight does fine on it. Also I have a version of that Ulitmate on my server with a lower pitch prop. As you get good with the G2 plane just keep making it smaller and smaller (in the edit part of the plane you can alter the wing span). They say it doesn't affect the way the plane flies but it really does.

Well it was a really crappy weekend weather wise.....but.....moved cg back , installed 11.5x4 apc and installed mouse can pipe on the knife....WOW what a diffrence. Much easier to hover/handle. still not very good but this is doable now.Unfortunatly only two short flights sunday then rain thunder and lightning. the changes feel very promising....more fuel!

here's an update; not much to report (life's been hectic lately) but the time I HAVE had, I built a pbf and flew it a couple times. Frustrating, at 1st, but once I stopped trying to fly it like a "real" plane, it was awesome! I've been able to launch it into a hover, and keep it there for a while! The weather really took a bad turn, we have a winter storm watch in effect for tonight and tommorow, scheeeezsh! But it won't last. As soon as things warm up (weather), and cool down (life)(oh well, no biggy, really, just time consuming) I'll take you up on that offer, HOVERIT.

Awsome, I'm bored to death with the guys in my club, most of them stand around and BS.
I almost have my knife dialed in for hovering now, I keep moving the CG back and it keeps getting better. I also found my copy of the morris knife video, and saw a close up of where they put there motors, way back, I moved mine back one set of mount holes, now I am moving it back one more time and expect it to be just right.
*** is with this snow we got? It should be decent enough to fly later this week or weekend so I'll see how it does.
We should hook up and fly when you get some free time JIVE, you say when and where and I'll try to make it happen.

Hey Guys
Last year was my first year flying and I give all the credit to G2
sim, wow! The guys at the field hooked me up to a buddy cord
and a good pilot- And I made my first landing in the first pass.
I was flying solo the 2nd flight and the rest of the day.
The next week I spent hovering on the G2.
The 2nd weekend I was torq rolling my Hanger 9 stick, Im not kidding, I must have crashed about a thousand times on the sim
but I was Hangin and I was green , the guys at the field couldnt believe it.
The funny thing of it all is be fore I started flying I herd a exprienced flyer tell a new guy to the sport that a simulator
wouldnt do him any good ! ( I SAY BS$#@& ***)
I burned 7 gallons of omaga before I had my 1rst mishap,
and that was because I was getting crazy and showing off !!!
I even got 30 points my first fun fly for going inverted on the limbo, Yup , I practiced that on the G2 also !
Wanna learn anything buy a G2 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
P.S. Im not a G2 rep either. Seth.......
Columbia City, Indiana.

I know this thread is pretty OLD, but I want to give all those who helped me out so much an update...........this "quote" boils it down, and quote # 20 describes what it's feelin' like!


Just the last few times out, I'm getting the feel for it, after many-o-try. Sunday at the field (there was a croud) and people were coming to me as I was flying asking about how to fly 3-D, I'm like, who, ME? (A guy that helped me solo 4 years ago was one of them, weird!) Also, overheard guys takin' about "hovering", "flat spins" etc. as I was in the air.


I'm not trying to toot a horn, or saying that I'm just flyin' to get attention (it's all about the fun; i.e.-FUN fly!). It's just that people are noticing, so I must be doing something right/different.


So................now each time I go out, I seem to progress faster and faster, and can keep it steady for what think, is a LONG time (15-20 sec.,maybe?) It just feels right, and I'm not thinking about control inputs at ALL...............except (there's always a catch!)......when it turns away from me!


What's the BEST way to prevent a hover from becoming a TR, or should I bite the bullet and just figure what I have to do to keep it rollin' ( which I plan to do anyway, I just thought I could learn to just hover first, for a whole tank full)?



p.s. hoverit, are you going to the open house at whirlwinds sun july 27, if so, see you there!