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Old 08-12-2004 | 01:44 PM
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Ok i was looking through argos the other day and i saw this. I find it very hard to believe that it goes 150mph. Maybe i would believe it if it wasent so cheap!! Anyway, hae a look at it and tell me what you think.

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http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&langId=-1&catalogId=2501&productId=99493&Trail=C$cip=16866 >C$cip=16914>C$cip=16915&categoryId=16915
Old 08-12-2004 | 01:52 PM
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"scale speed". if it's 1/10th scale it goes about 15 mph.
Old 08-12-2004 | 01:59 PM
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Oh, that explains it. Thanks[sm=thumbup.gif]
Old 08-12-2004 | 11:53 PM
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scale speed, that would be awsome if it was real though.....man only 39 pounds for it, but you could put 2 REAL r/c jet engines in it, then it would do 150 easy
Old 08-12-2004 | 11:57 PM
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it would almost be worth it then. too bad i dont have anywhere to get an r/c up to 150.
Old 08-13-2004 | 01:13 AM
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omg, i just saw ab add for those on tv!!!. theyre cheap toyshop crap. mabe some seven year old finds them exciting.
Old 08-14-2004 | 02:09 AM
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scale speed? i thought you couldnt scale speed. at least that it what the assosciated guys said when they were on tech tv with there 111mph car, leo asked how fast it would be in a real car and the guy said you cant scale speed because you cant scale time.
Old 08-14-2004 | 02:37 AM
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im sure this has been discussed a trillion times on these forums just like the superchargers or 'what car should i buy'. long story short, they're slow.
Old 08-14-2004 | 01:45 PM
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i thought you could scale anything. i mean if they can find more then 3 dimensions then why cant they scale time?
Old 08-14-2004 | 02:42 PM
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15 mph if it's 1/10 scale, right?

That actually is pretty fast for a toy car, the fastest thing I've seen at toys r us only went 20 mph, for $100. Most toys go about 10mph.

I had one of theose 9.6V rubber tank tread trucks, years ago, and it was awesome. Ridiculous traction. Maybe I can make one using real RC parts.... maybe with two brushless motors in it....
Old 08-14-2004 | 03:32 PM
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radio shack actually produces some fairly fast toys, although they break easily and look stupid. i had one that was double motor 4wd and it ripped, but then again i was 7 years old so i may have just been imagining things.
Old 08-14-2004 | 04:38 PM
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i have this old nikkko buggy and its pretty fast for a radio shack car (probably 1985 cause it was my dads) the only problem is that it runs off of 8 AA's [:'(]
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Old 08-14-2004 | 05:21 PM
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thats the most ridickulous thing i have ever seen
Old 08-14-2004 | 08:42 PM
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"spell check".............Ya
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thats the most ridickulous thing i have ever seen
Old 08-15-2004 | 01:37 PM
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It is how they advertise - no you really cant scael speed. But a lot of people seem to think you can.
Old 08-15-2004 | 03:03 PM
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I have a 200mm '67 Nova Parma Body with a Custom built Pro Street "authentic" chassis utilizing a 4 link solid axle rear, tubbed and tubed chassis under construction. The Math says it will hit 120 mph easy (engine at 80% of max rpm allowing for drag bla bla) and the real world testing I've done has proven it most likely capable.
I mack'd it up on an ultra chassis (convenience only) which actually weighs substantually more than the actual chassis and it flat out gets BUSY RIGHT NOW but I have yet to find any RUBBER tire (for mini burn outs, not alot of "natural" smoke [bleach produces some smoke] yet but alot of black "scretch" marks have been laid down trying) to stay intacked beyond 80'ish when it shifts into OVERDRIVE. Im using 2.2 "wide" Slicks currently with modified rims (now bead lock), the tire sidewalls are splitting causing the chassis to deviate from its straight line course suddenly and CRASHING which explains why its bent up pretty bad presently, its total'd to be honest. Im going to use foams on the real McCoy until someone makes hi speed belted rubber tires capable of 120+ mph ACTUAL speed, I just hope these foams are capable cause if the real McCoy slams the rails, it will look just like the real deal, a twisted pile of wreckage. I most definitely will take and share pics after its "done and RTR".

Does ProLine, Panther, or any other manufacturer have a rubber tire capable of these speeds?

I plan on busting the "scaled" 1/4 mile Nitro record with it, Im sure I'll only get one or two chances at it before I smack the wall but Im enjoying the build, the record will only be the icing on the cake.
Old 08-15-2004 | 05:30 PM
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i would have thought foams would be better than rubber anyway for what you need
Old 08-15-2004 | 05:40 PM
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just trying to keep as much authenticity as possible.
Old 08-15-2004 | 05:43 PM
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better to try and keep it in one piece thouh

that thing sounds pretty awesome
Old 08-15-2004 | 05:49 PM
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Rubber tires can hold up better than everyone thinks. My car has already hit 93MPh and it was with rubber tires. They were fine.
Old 08-15-2004 | 06:39 PM
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What tires are you using study? I used ProLine 2.2 slicks for max bite but they are thin skin'd up top.
I was having limited success with prolines 2.2 road hawgs top end but couldn't get them to stick during the launch, made for some exciting driving. It would do donuts so fast, it looked like a spinning top before I could react!
My custom tranny (nothing like it) launches when I say so GO! I can tack the engine to 15000+ rpms or idle, then dump the clutch engaging the 3.25.1 first gear that propells the car forward to 40+ mph NOW and settles the car for a half+ second later (adjustable!) it shifts into 2nd gear (1.1 tranny ratio) making the shift an extremely fun yet violent experience, I drove (more like held on) the test chassis on the wheely bars nearly the entire time so I'll need to fabricatin some trick wheely bars, might even use a thick skinned ballon for preloading the rear suspension for lauching the car straight.
Anyhow, once I dial in everything very carefully, tranny shift points, launch rpm, tweek the active 4 link along with some wieght distribution (might be 3+/- pounds RTR), I realistically see it busting 100 mph in 132 feet in a couple seconds, or at least MATCHING the electrics blistering #'s which is my primary objective of this project while doing it OUTSIDE the box.
Old 08-15-2004 | 08:47 PM
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Let me give you some details of interest yet doesn't give up vital info.

Frame- Custom Frame rails made from .385 X .035 square Chrome Moly tubing
along with .25 X .035 round Chrome Moly tubing cross supports, making for an EXTREMELY light and durable platform as my recently finished (w/ testing) my 1/6 scale naH2o has proved to be which is now being given its final smoothing and sprucing before showing it to the public (got to look good you know!). The naH2o is the tow vehicle (along with being my 40mph Offroad Basher thats all but bulletproof) for my dual purpose trailer queen/track terror Nova named OVERDRIVE after finishing the custom Enclosed trailer (w detachable carrying handle even) to store/haul/display the Nova in.

Body-Parma '67 Nova 200 mm body thats been sliced and diced yet is invisable to the eye from 3 feet away. I bought several bodies, I cut one just forward of the front fender and hood line, did some manipulating so it now has a lip to receive the tilt front end made from a second body that was cut off at the fender/hood line. The main body is held in place by the same 2 body mounts holding the flip front end closed along with a hidden slip fit fix'd rear body mounting point, makes a seamless fit and is easily/quickly removed yet securely fastened for 100 mph blast (I hope).

Floor pan- Made from .04 lexan and folded to simulate the floorpan, firewall, and rear deck lid (looks like a race car inside) and can be removed for racing if needed.

12 pt. Chrome Moly Roll Cage- not even 6 ounces, it extends from the rear frame rails to the front end where the front upper suspension, tilt hinge, and a electric fan attaches (runs off 2 hidden 9 volts that can be removed for the drag strip), it all looks like the real deal IMO.

4 Link Rear- Made with multiple adjustments (length and position) and 1/8 scale short shocks to resemble coil over shocks but has tons of possibilities. Could go with just a shock with fixed springs, even simulated airbags.

Narrowed Rear Solid Axle- its a solid inner axle wheel to wheel design with an undisclosed ratio HD ring/pinion gear. It looks like an authentic quick change rearend.
Im working on a diff'd straight axle for this application for a "Steet Heat" version also.

Front suspension- Im using 1/10 scale shocks with the springs and custom lower a-arms to closely resemble coil over struts. This could be done alot easier and several grams lighter but I wanted some realism for the show and shine competitons.

Engine- Pico 0-1 for now but I might break the check book out for one of those crazy italian 40,000 rpm hi end jobbies.
Did I mention the engine is mounted in the front of the car [8D].
Its set back far just enough to allow glow plug access without removing the main body or cutting an access holes for it. I simply flip the front end up and out of the way . This GREATLY aids cooling as my naH2o shares this unique set up!
While lending itself to wieght transfer, it is now drawing cool air from the passenger compartment instead of the hot engine compartment.
Also, the engine vibration is somewhat isolated from the frame. I made some rigged rubber (cut from a sidewall of a real tire) mounts that bolt the engine down to the chassis so much of the engine vibration isn't transferred directly to the chassis yet is rigid enough to simulate a solid motor mount.

Exhaust- As of now, its a tuned top end pipe I had laying around (ofna) but Im going to make a dual exhaust set up to try an experiment. If it doesn't work, I'll use the dual exhaust system for the show and shine competitions and use a tuned pipe for the drag strip.

Tranny- I'll only say its a 2 speed and has a "build in" clutch that also doubles as a slipper (adjustable), like I said aint nothing like it but I think it will get copied REALLY FAST for its user friendlyness, simplicity and extreme durability.

Engine Clutch/Flywheel- its a 4 shoe 1/8 scale composite with a custom bell that started out as a 2 speed Ofna bell. I machined the gears off it and further modified it to accept the ball end of a short CVD that powers the mid frame mounted tranny (weight transfer is also a big plus).

Fuel Cell- 2 ounce bottle, just enough for 5 minutes of running or making one pass but I left previsions for a 135 fuel cell for parking lot bashing. Either way, the fuel cell is mounted just behind and slightly above the rear suspension under the trunk lid for max weight distribution. A 5 cell flat pack resides atop the rear end to further aid traction. The RX is stuck to the back side of the read deck lid/back seat blank off floor panel.

Servo's (2)- standard issue fataba's. They hang off and outside the frame rails
just in front of the rear tires for even yet very effective weight distribution.

I've been working on this entire "package for nearly 4 years, everything is coming together and god willing, I'll have all this done before christmas so I can ask santa for an 1/6 scale Budweiser electric/nitro boat so I can fab another trailer for it so I can launch the boat with my naH2o without even touching it.
Did I mention the naH2o is water proof so I can actually dive into a 4" deep water puddle and/or juicy mud holes with no worries? Probably not but I'll save that build up until its ready to show.
Old 08-16-2004 | 01:37 AM
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I am not picky. The tires I am using are made by a German company called Carson Models. My sponsor imports them. So i get them for free. But they work great. I am using slicks on my speed car right now. Have some that are not slicks to try. My car hit 93MPh and hopefully soon behigher #'s since MTroniks just gave me my new ESC last Friday. Not tested it yet, because been sick this weekend.

Will be testing and doing some tuning this week.
Old 08-17-2004 | 07:58 AM
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scale speed? i thought you couldnt scale speed...
Of course speed can be looked at in terms of scale. If the vehicle in question were full size (10X bigger for 1/10s) the car would move 10 times the distance for each wheel rotation because the tires would be 10 times bigger as well.
Old 08-18-2004 | 06:39 AM
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Thats pretty fast- 100km's, jeez show us some pics, what bodies do you have on them because at that speed aerodynamics can play a role in top speeds.


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