Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
10-11-2010 | 04:36 PM
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bigplumbs this is great !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! pour another scotch my man
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10-11-2010 | 04:38 PM
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RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
ORIGINAL: bigplumbs
For your information I can afford a Jet (Turbine powered) and have 11 in total and am currently building No 12. The Panther I was after would have been No 13 (Not a good omen perhaps) I also have over 100 other RC Planes ready to fly all built by me. Most are however ARTF's It is my experiences of buying these models and the 12 Jets and the frustration over the panther that lead me to start this thread.
Good luck in the forest
ORIGINAL: pshea2
Maybe you can't afford a jet.....you know with the state your economy is in and all!!!!! and oh I would rather have pine forest's than concrete forest's.
Maybe you can't afford a jet.....you know with the state your economy is in and all!!!!! and oh I would rather have pine forest's than concrete forest's.
For your information I can afford a Jet (Turbine powered) and have 11 in total and am currently building No 12. The Panther I was after would have been No 13 (Not a good omen perhaps) I also have over 100 other RC Planes ready to fly all built by me. Most are however ARTF's It is my experiences of buying these models and the 12 Jets and the frustration over the panther that lead me to start this thread.
Good luck in the forest
10-11-2010 | 05:21 PM
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RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
ORIGINAL: bigplumbs
I hope you are not talking about the Habpo [>:]
ORIGINAL: AndyAndrews
If jets were commodities maybe you would find prices posted all over the net like other parts of the RC hobbie. Jets are to specialized for that type of marketing. Now if you are talking about a $500 foamie jet that's different. Those are stamped out by the thousands.
ORIGINAL: bigplumbs
Rather than have to ask for a quote I feel that the prices together with what is included and what is not should be clearly on the websites like other parts of this hobby. For some reason I do not feel that this is the case with Jets
ORIGINAL: AndyAndrews
Strange, I've never had any problems trying to find out how much jets and accessories cost. Every manufacturer out there will quote you if you ask. Whats the big deal?
Strange, I've never had any problems trying to find out how much jets and accessories cost. Every manufacturer out there will quote you if you ask. Whats the big deal?
I hope you are not talking about the Habpo [>:]
10-11-2010 | 07:24 PM
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RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
ORIGINAL: SCALECRAFT
BVM. A fine product.
I have an original unused BVM F-16 (epoxy) with scale gear and an unused Yellow F-16C (polyester) with scale gear. Back when they were both available, if I were presented with the opportunity to by one or the other, (aside from ego on the BVM) I would have gone with the Yellow. Some of their parts can interchange. Very similar.
For me, not enough difference in the models to warrant the price difference for what they were. In fact mechanically, the Yellow had (has) better elevator leverage and more robust and simpler scale gear. Carbon reinforced balsa formers in the BVM, I can make those. Not a big deal
Again I have both, so what I don't like in one I can change. I still build my own stuff too. Plus I purchase both almost at the price of one BVM, with hardware.
If its not a value in my opinion, I don't by it, I wait.
Again, I believe that BVM is a fine product, but imagine how much one could offer the BVM product if it was produced in China under BVM guidelines.
US labor laws, rents, taxes, all insurance, plus a profit. That"s a big part of your "you get what you pay for" myth in some cases.
Its not a hobby for BVM, its a business.
Just get something you can have fun with and don't spend beyond your means.
Steve
BVM. A fine product.
I have an original unused BVM F-16 (epoxy) with scale gear and an unused Yellow F-16C (polyester) with scale gear. Back when they were both available, if I were presented with the opportunity to by one or the other, (aside from ego on the BVM) I would have gone with the Yellow. Some of their parts can interchange. Very similar.
For me, not enough difference in the models to warrant the price difference for what they were. In fact mechanically, the Yellow had (has) better elevator leverage and more robust and simpler scale gear. Carbon reinforced balsa formers in the BVM, I can make those. Not a big deal
Again I have both, so what I don't like in one I can change. I still build my own stuff too. Plus I purchase both almost at the price of one BVM, with hardware.
If its not a value in my opinion, I don't by it, I wait.
Again, I believe that BVM is a fine product, but imagine how much one could offer the BVM product if it was produced in China under BVM guidelines.
US labor laws, rents, taxes, all insurance, plus a profit. That"s a big part of your "you get what you pay for" myth in some cases.
Its not a hobby for BVM, its a business.
Just get something you can have fun with and don't spend beyond your means.
Steve
10-12-2010 | 08:30 AM
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RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
ORIGINAL: hooker53
Well, Anyone that has a battle worn BVM T-33 or the kit they have fell out of love with because it's not worth it-PM me the price!!! Ha.
Well, Anyone that has a battle worn BVM T-33 or the kit they have fell out of love with because it's not worth it-PM me the price!!! Ha.
10-12-2010 | 10:22 AM
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RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
The jet companies offer their jets without gear for the lunatics who wish to hand launch their 25~40 pound jet.
I agree that the jet pricing should be in-line with warbird pricing. More jets would be sold.
Some companies don't do enough, or any reinforcing for the speeds the jets do. Some companies build jets that are not airworthy. They are not doing proper design and reinforcing, yet charge way too much.
It's sad that landing gear costs $500~$1100 extra. This is a major drawback.
Buy the jet kit and then get nickled and dimed to death. You just have to realize that ANY jet you buy/build will end up costing you $8,000 to $15,000
I agree that the jet pricing should be in-line with warbird pricing. More jets would be sold.
Some companies don't do enough, or any reinforcing for the speeds the jets do. Some companies build jets that are not airworthy. They are not doing proper design and reinforcing, yet charge way too much.
It's sad that landing gear costs $500~$1100 extra. This is a major drawback.
Buy the jet kit and then get nickled and dimed to death. You just have to realize that ANY jet you buy/build will end up costing you $8,000 to $15,000
10-12-2010 | 10:39 AM
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ORIGINAL: Airplanes400
......You just have to realize that ANY jet you buy/build will end up costing you $8,000 to $15,000
......You just have to realize that ANY jet you buy/build will end up costing you $8,000 to $15,000
(don't scare newcomers away
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10-12-2010 | 11:31 AM
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RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
Hi Dennis!
You are always referring to the ARF-Warbirds that come with everything for decent price? Can you name some of them? I am really looking forward to a full-composite ARF warbird that is reasonable priced and comes with good hardware. I only know of these more or less "scale" film-covered warbirds, that come in funny paint-schemes, with weak plastic-gear.
After seeing your comments about kerostart in the P-100 thread I reckon u are to bored with your hundreds of ARFs. You should consider building something from scratch.
I do not even need five minutes to ad the few numbers from a pricelist. And some people like cockpits, others do not care. Some people like the scale-gear, others would like to stick to their preffered retract-brand. Where is the point to have a complete package and then ask if they would sell it without some of the parts?
David
You are always referring to the ARF-Warbirds that come with everything for decent price? Can you name some of them? I am really looking forward to a full-composite ARF warbird that is reasonable priced and comes with good hardware. I only know of these more or less "scale" film-covered warbirds, that come in funny paint-schemes, with weak plastic-gear.
After seeing your comments about kerostart in the P-100 thread I reckon u are to bored with your hundreds of ARFs. You should consider building something from scratch.
I do not even need five minutes to ad the few numbers from a pricelist. And some people like cockpits, others do not care. Some people like the scale-gear, others would like to stick to their preffered retract-brand. Where is the point to have a complete package and then ask if they would sell it without some of the parts?
David
10-12-2010 | 01:36 PM
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The price of some of these Jets against other models of a similar size or even bigger has always been a sore point with me.
If it is a Jet then you charge the customer more that is how it is, I would really like a MIG15 and looked at the BVM one, it is $4200 for the magical 'go fly' package for really a small model in jet terms and you still have to apply the finish! nearly fell of my seat!
Imagine paying that sort of money for a similar sized 68" spitfire or other model ! I dont know of any even at half that price. The retracts for this thing are $1400 alone. Crazy.
How is it you can get a 90" 50cc sized spitfire (a big model) for about $1500 incl retracts! and a jet that size would cost you $8000 madness.
If it is a Jet then you charge the customer more that is how it is, I would really like a MIG15 and looked at the BVM one, it is $4200 for the magical 'go fly' package for really a small model in jet terms and you still have to apply the finish! nearly fell of my seat!
Imagine paying that sort of money for a similar sized 68" spitfire or other model ! I dont know of any even at half that price. The retracts for this thing are $1400 alone. Crazy.
How is it you can get a 90" 50cc sized spitfire (a big model) for about $1500 incl retracts! and a jet that size would cost you $8000 madness.
10-12-2010 | 03:07 PM
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RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
It's just this simple...Jets are a big boys toy, with a big boy price.
If ya can't pay, ya can't play. Ever looked into buying a home built full suze bird? That'll make a RC jet look like a fine deal indeed.
I personally can't see my flying anything worth more than my Harley or my classic Mustang unless my butt is in the thing! I enjoy watching others spend the cashish and do enjoy the smell and sound. If you have building skills, there are plans and short kits from guys like Ziroli that will get you in for less, but if you want an ARF with everything in the box, better get ready to step up....and grab ankles!
If ya can't pay, ya can't play. Ever looked into buying a home built full suze bird? That'll make a RC jet look like a fine deal indeed.
I personally can't see my flying anything worth more than my Harley or my classic Mustang unless my butt is in the thing! I enjoy watching others spend the cashish and do enjoy the smell and sound. If you have building skills, there are plans and short kits from guys like Ziroli that will get you in for less, but if you want an ARF with everything in the box, better get ready to step up....and grab ankles!
10-12-2010 | 03:30 PM
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ORIGINAL: u2fast
andy, i bought the bvm t33 kit you speak of. i was pleased with the price. either way, bvm is the industry benchmark.
andy, i bought the bvm t33 kit you speak of.
i was pleased with the price. either way, bvm is the industry benchmark.
10-12-2010 | 03:37 PM
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ORIGINAL: Airplanes400
Buy the jet kit and then get nickled and dimed to death. You just have to realize that ANY jet you buy/build will end up costing you $8,000 to $15,000
Buy the jet kit and then get nickled and dimed to death. You just have to realize that ANY jet you buy/build will end up costing you $8,000 to $15,000
I could buy a new FEJ F-16, replace all of the junk parts with good parts, with a brand new turbine for under 5k easily.
10-12-2010 | 04:08 PM
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RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
ORIGINAL: Airplanes400
The jet companies offer their jets without gear for the lunatics who wish to hand launch their 25~40 pound jet.
I agree that the jet pricing should be in-line with warbird pricing. More jets would be sold.
Some companies don't do enough, or any reinforcing for the speeds the jets do. Some companies build jets that are not airworthy. They are not doing proper design and reinforcing, yet charge way too much.
It's sad that landing gear costs $500~$1100 extra. This is a major drawback.
Buy the jet kit and then get nickled and dimed to death. You just have to realize that ANY jet you buy/build will end up costing you $8,000 to $15,000
The jet companies offer their jets without gear for the lunatics who wish to hand launch their 25~40 pound jet.
I agree that the jet pricing should be in-line with warbird pricing. More jets would be sold.
Some companies don't do enough, or any reinforcing for the speeds the jets do. Some companies build jets that are not airworthy. They are not doing proper design and reinforcing, yet charge way too much.
It's sad that landing gear costs $500~$1100 extra. This is a major drawback.
Buy the jet kit and then get nickled and dimed to death. You just have to realize that ANY jet you buy/build will end up costing you $8,000 to $15,000
Isnt this drivel getting a bit old....
If they charge too much; DONT BUY IT. Just stop whining about it already!As for gear at 500~1100, go machine up a set yourself! Think you will find out quite quickly where the costs come from [X(]
Jets are quite in line with COMPARABLE warbirds. Show me a fully composite scale warbird with engine, landing gear and ancillaries with a dramatic price difference [sm=confused.gif] Last one I built was over 7K!
I do agree with the OP, if your selling a product; a detailed price listing of the airframe and components is not much to ask for IMHO.
10-12-2010 | 04:13 PM
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RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
ORIGINAL: tahfiet
Hi Dennis!
You are always referring to the ARF-Warbirds that come with everything for decent price? Can you name some of them? I am really looking forward to a full-composite ARF warbird that is reasonable priced and comes with good hardware. I only know of these more or less ''scale'' film-covered warbirds, that come in funny paint-schemes, with weak plastic-gear.
After seeing your comments about kerostart in the P-100 thread I reckon u are to bored with your hundreds of ARFs. You should consider building something from scratch.
I do not even need five minutes to ad the few numbers from a pricelist. And some people like cockpits, others do not care. Some people like the scale-gear, others would like to stick to their preffered retract-brand. Where is the point to have a complete package and then ask if they would sell it without some of the parts?
David
Hi Dennis!
You are always referring to the ARF-Warbirds that come with everything for decent price? Can you name some of them? I am really looking forward to a full-composite ARF warbird that is reasonable priced and comes with good hardware. I only know of these more or less ''scale'' film-covered warbirds, that come in funny paint-schemes, with weak plastic-gear.
After seeing your comments about kerostart in the P-100 thread I reckon u are to bored with your hundreds of ARFs. You should consider building something from scratch.
I do not even need five minutes to ad the few numbers from a pricelist. And some people like cockpits, others do not care. Some people like the scale-gear, others would like to stick to their preffered retract-brand. Where is the point to have a complete package and then ask if they would sell it without some of the parts?
David
Any of the warbirds from YT International.
10-12-2010 | 04:14 PM
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RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
ORIGINAL: Xairflyer
The price of some of these Jets against other models of a similar size or even bigger has always been a sore point with me.
If it is a Jet then you charge the customer more that is how it is, I would really like a MIG15 and looked at the BVM one, it is $4200 for the magical 'go fly' package for really a small model in jet terms and you still have to apply the finish! nearly fell of my seat!
Imagine paying that sort of money for a similar sized 68'' spitfire or other model ! I dont know of any even at half that price. The retracts for this thing are $1400 alone. Crazy.
How is it you can get a 90'' 50cc sized spitfire (a big model) for about $1500 incl retracts! and a jet that size would cost you $8000 madness.
The price of some of these Jets against other models of a similar size or even bigger has always been a sore point with me.
If it is a Jet then you charge the customer more that is how it is, I would really like a MIG15 and looked at the BVM one, it is $4200 for the magical 'go fly' package for really a small model in jet terms and you still have to apply the finish! nearly fell of my seat!
Imagine paying that sort of money for a similar sized 68'' spitfire or other model ! I dont know of any even at half that price. The retracts for this thing are $1400 alone. Crazy.
How is it you can get a 90'' 50cc sized spitfire (a big model) for about $1500 incl retracts! and a jet that size would cost you $8000 madness.
Very true
10-13-2010 | 08:14 AM
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Dennis's primary school teacher, his social worker and his mummy would all like to apologise for his rants on this thread.
He is not supposed to use a computer without an adult being present and he has disabled the child lock and got on one again.
He seems to have an ambition of insulting all nations and groups and he says he has nearly got though the list with only two remote tribes in Bolivia still to insult. We are so very very sorry for this.
Suffice it to say that we are glad he not a Chilean miner otherwise he would have driven the rest of the group totally bonkers.
We have tried everything and all we can do is apologise.
He is back on the naughty step after being smacked.
He is not supposed to use a computer without an adult being present and he has disabled the child lock and got on one again.
He seems to have an ambition of insulting all nations and groups and he says he has nearly got though the list with only two remote tribes in Bolivia still to insult. We are so very very sorry for this.
Suffice it to say that we are glad he not a Chilean miner otherwise he would have driven the rest of the group totally bonkers.
We have tried everything and all we can do is apologise.
He is back on the naughty step after being smacked.
10-13-2010 | 09:46 AM
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RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
ORIGINAL: bigplumbs
Any of the warbirds from YT International.
ORIGINAL: tahfiet
Hi Dennis!
You are always referring to the ARF-Warbirds that come with everything for decent price? Can you name some of them? I am really looking forward to a full-composite ARF warbird that is reasonable priced and comes with good hardware. I only know of these more or less ''scale'' film-covered warbirds, that come in funny paint-schemes, with weak plastic-gear.
After seeing your comments about kerostart in the P-100 thread I reckon u are to bored with your hundreds of ARFs. You should consider building something from scratch.
I do not even need five minutes to ad the few numbers from a pricelist. And some people like cockpits, others do not care. Some people like the scale-gear, others would like to stick to their preffered retract-brand. Where is the point to have a complete package and then ask if they would sell it without some of the parts?
David
Hi Dennis!
You are always referring to the ARF-Warbirds that come with everything for decent price? Can you name some of them? I am really looking forward to a full-composite ARF warbird that is reasonable priced and comes with good hardware. I only know of these more or less ''scale'' film-covered warbirds, that come in funny paint-schemes, with weak plastic-gear.
After seeing your comments about kerostart in the P-100 thread I reckon u are to bored with your hundreds of ARFs. You should consider building something from scratch.
I do not even need five minutes to ad the few numbers from a pricelist. And some people like cockpits, others do not care. Some people like the scale-gear, others would like to stick to their preffered retract-brand. Where is the point to have a complete package and then ask if they would sell it without some of the parts?
David
Any of the warbirds from YT International.
Interesting, I just looked over the site very little has pricing on it on the warbird page. Even the ones that do aren't that inexpensive. Take the 50CC spitfire for instance, the landing gear is $507USD (converted from pounds) for a main gear, no brakes, no nose gear etc. That puts it pretty inline with the jet landing gear. The kit is $1425USD, that's not much less than quite a few jet kits out there. The Spitfire will probably sell 10 : 1 what any jet kit will. The Spitfire doesn't have a tailpipe. In watching the slide show the spitfire doesn't appear to have any carbon fiber or composite internal structure (it likely doesn't need it, but since you're comparing apples to apples or trying to......)
Most of what is on their site appears to be either rebadged, or simply they are a dealer for CMP or Nitro models. If that is the case, I wouldn't trust my equipment in half of them.
So you haven't convinced me on this go round. Show me 50CC warbirds that are of high quality that are really that much cheaper than a jet.
Oh, and YT international's pricing on the website sucks, half the stuff there doesn't have any prices period!
10-13-2010 | 11:13 AM
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It's an IQ test on most sites; if you can't find what you want or what it cost. You are not smart enough to own their products as thier instructions will be just as confusing. LOL. Give me a BVM, JMP,Yellow Aircraft kit or set of Ziriloi plans any day to build compared to many others.
10-13-2010 | 02:56 PM
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RE: Jet Pricing - Why so complicated
ORIGINAL: jran
Dennis's primary school teacher, his social worker and his mummy would all like to apologise for his rants on this thread.
He is not supposed to use a computer without an adult being present and he has disabled the child lock and got on one again.
He seems to have an ambition of insulting all nations and groups and he says he has nearly got though the list with only two remote tribes in Bolivia still to insult. We are so very very sorry for this.
Suffice it to say that we are glad he not a Chilean miner otherwise he would have driven the rest of the group totally bonkers.
We have tried everything and all we can do is apologise.
He is back on the naughty step after being smacked.
Dennis's primary school teacher, his social worker and his mummy would all like to apologise for his rants on this thread.
He is not supposed to use a computer without an adult being present and he has disabled the child lock and got on one again.
He seems to have an ambition of insulting all nations and groups and he says he has nearly got though the list with only two remote tribes in Bolivia still to insult. We are so very very sorry for this.
Suffice it to say that we are glad he not a Chilean miner otherwise he would have driven the rest of the group totally bonkers.
We have tried everything and all we can do is apologise.
He is back on the naughty step after being smacked.
What this twit knows about Jets you could write on the edge of a small postage stamp........... He builds stand off scale electric warbirds and generally hangs out in the special forum for weird girls
10-13-2010 | 07:24 PM
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ORIGINAL: AndyAndrews
You missed the one on RCU for sale a month ago or so. It was under $2500 if I recall.
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Well, Anyone that has a battle worn BVM T-33 or the kit they have fell out of love with because it's not worth it-PM me the price!!! Ha.
Well, Anyone that has a battle worn BVM T-33 or the kit they have fell out of love with because it's not worth it-PM me the price!!! Ha.
10-13-2010 | 10:46 PM
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ESM warbirds are very good but still not comparable to the level of finish of even the less expensive popular ARF jets coming out of China nowadays.... The only true "ARF" warbirds that are similar in my opinion to the current ARF jets in level of detail are Yellow Aircraft ARF warbirds. Yellows Spitfire and P-40 are available as ARF's, glassed, painted with all the rivets nomenclature etc. factory finished. Do these sums and Yellow's ARF warbirds are also into the jet $ league also!!! ESM warbirds are not comparable. Try asking some of the 3D and heli guy's how much they have tied up in the hobby.... And still its cheaper than golf 
