Are jet accessory prices getting silly?
03-01-2011 | 12:05 PM
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Forget about exchange rates and lower volumes if it is a jet, or for a jet, it will be more expensive.
Some have argued that jet kit prices are higher because there is not as many Jets are sold as say a similar size scale prop plane, make the big scale plane the same price as a jet and you wont sell many of them either!
I agree what has been said above, people are paying crazy prices for things like UAT's and using way over the top servos, mainly because many have only ever built ARTF's and would'nt know how to properly mechanically setup a servo and its linkage.
Some have argued that jet kit prices are higher because there is not as many Jets are sold as say a similar size scale prop plane, make the big scale plane the same price as a jet and you wont sell many of them either!
I agree what has been said above, people are paying crazy prices for things like UAT's and using way over the top servos, mainly because many have only ever built ARTF's and would'nt know how to properly mechanically setup a servo and its linkage.
03-01-2011 | 12:19 PM
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RE: Are jet accessory prices getting silly?
ORIGINAL: Dave Wilshere
If anyone thinks the hobby industry is making money...you can buy my business tomorrow!
How much margin do you think we have? I laugh at sales with 30-50-70% discount sales, if only we had those figures! In the UK many retailers are giving away even more margin ''buying'' custom,brilliant for the consumer...you cannot live off 12-15% margins...Our hobby is changing and soon you will be limited on where and when you can buy....then you will think differently.
If you want to buy a cheap FOD, great, do it, but don't shout about it like anyone in the real world is intertested. Some people pay for the badge on their cars, they feel good about it, the expensive moulded JetCat fod looks 100% better than a tea strainer or modified one..and it protects an expensive engine...so £50 FOD £350-400 rebuild and no flying for a few weeks...Its your choice. When you go for a nice meal, buy flowers at Valentine...buy a Valentine card costing 50p to make for £3 you don't ***** at the retailer...I bet 99% of you don't think, oh the food raw cost is £15, Flowers are £5 I can cut corners on these pleasures. Go and get a quote for an injection mould for the FOD...
I am sorry, but you don't have a clue! If you work for my hourly wage worked out on 350+ working day year, you lot would not get out of bed, yes I love the hobby and of course its why I chose this over mechanical design, where I would be earning 3x what I can pay myself in aeromodelling. But I would not know the thousands of great people I meet in this HOBBY, that is my business. It's supposed to be fun, the way some of you go on, looking for a reaction, I'd use the sharp knife you have in your workshops to...
Don't talk about things you have no idea about...
If anyone thinks the hobby industry is making money...you can buy my business tomorrow!
How much margin do you think we have? I laugh at sales with 30-50-70% discount sales, if only we had those figures! In the UK many retailers are giving away even more margin ''buying'' custom,brilliant for the consumer...you cannot live off 12-15% margins...Our hobby is changing and soon you will be limited on where and when you can buy....then you will think differently.
If you want to buy a cheap FOD, great, do it, but don't shout about it like anyone in the real world is intertested. Some people pay for the badge on their cars, they feel good about it, the expensive moulded JetCat fod looks 100% better than a tea strainer or modified one..and it protects an expensive engine...so £50 FOD £350-400 rebuild and no flying for a few weeks...Its your choice. When you go for a nice meal, buy flowers at Valentine...buy a Valentine card costing 50p to make for £3 you don't ***** at the retailer...I bet 99% of you don't think, oh the food raw cost is £15, Flowers are £5 I can cut corners on these pleasures. Go and get a quote for an injection mould for the FOD...
I am sorry, but you don't have a clue! If you work for my hourly wage worked out on 350+ working day year, you lot would not get out of bed, yes I love the hobby and of course its why I chose this over mechanical design, where I would be earning 3x what I can pay myself in aeromodelling. But I would not know the thousands of great people I meet in this HOBBY, that is my business. It's supposed to be fun, the way some of you go on, looking for a reaction, I'd use the sharp knife you have in your workshops to...
Don't talk about things you have no idea about...
1) Customers are your life blood and have the right to comment and say what they want....... It is time you learned this.... You do a very good job of driving them away believe me I know.
2) 365 days in a year - 350 you seem to think you work = 15 left How is it you seem to be flying almost every weekend of the year looking at your many posts. Or do you count flying as work ???
3) My firm is currently existing on an approx negative 15 % margin so a + 12-15 % sounds good to me.
4) A tea strainer is just as good as a Jetcat fod guard
5) What we get out of bed for I am sure you dont know so what that comment was about I am sure I donot know.
6) You claim you earn 1/3rd of what a Mechanical Engineer earns. Well based on what I pay my Mechanical Engineers that makes your salary about £12,000. You seem to be able to afford a lot of RC Jets for earning a salary of £12,000
Now who doesn't know what they are talking about.
Dennis
03-01-2011 | 12:23 PM
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RE: Are jet accessory prices getting silly?
ORIGINAL: G4guy
Do you have a problem with that?
ORIGINAL: bigplumbs
That is so true and Steve Jobbs made $2 Billion profit in the months before Christmas
Dennis
ORIGINAL: dubd
I agree it's getting out of hand. $450 for a gear sequencer? For about the same amount of money you can buy a Playstation 3, Xbox 360, iPhone, iPad, etc, all of which are more complex and costly to manufacturer.
I agree it's getting out of hand. $450 for a gear sequencer? For about the same amount of money you can buy a Playstation 3, Xbox 360, iPhone, iPad, etc, all of which are more complex and costly to manufacturer.
That is so true and Steve Jobbs made $2 Billion profit in the months before Christmas
Dennis
03-01-2011 | 12:33 PM
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RE: Are jet accessory prices getting silly?
Dave, the thread certainly wasn't a dig at retailers and I wasn't after a particular reaction. However, you can't deny that prices have gone up significantly over the past couple of years which was my point. Whether the prices are justified and (they may well be) is a different matter.
It may be that exchange rates, fuel prices, labour charges, material costs, increased VAT, shipping etc mean the manufacturers and retailers profit margins are lower depsite the higher end cost. It may even simply be that the longer an individual stays in the hobby, the more he is sucked into the ever increasing technology and 'bling' that really isn't necessary (and hence the increased cost is partly our own fault). I have tried buying items direct from distributors in bulk (the latest attempt was the little Robart airline connectors) and haven't really had much success in making money savings so am certainly not throwing stones suggesting high retailer mark-ups.
It does, however, make me value the bits I have already and make me less willing to part with them. It also makes buying second-hand with the current low used prices seem quite attractive.
None of this is new. I remember when I was about 15 going to a model exhibition and almost fighting over bulk cheap elastic bands only to turn around and spend a few hundred pounds on a new helicopter. Moaning about prices and wanting more for less is just human nature
It may be that exchange rates, fuel prices, labour charges, material costs, increased VAT, shipping etc mean the manufacturers and retailers profit margins are lower depsite the higher end cost. It may even simply be that the longer an individual stays in the hobby, the more he is sucked into the ever increasing technology and 'bling' that really isn't necessary (and hence the increased cost is partly our own fault). I have tried buying items direct from distributors in bulk (the latest attempt was the little Robart airline connectors) and haven't really had much success in making money savings so am certainly not throwing stones suggesting high retailer mark-ups.
It does, however, make me value the bits I have already and make me less willing to part with them. It also makes buying second-hand with the current low used prices seem quite attractive.
None of this is new. I remember when I was about 15 going to a model exhibition and almost fighting over bulk cheap elastic bands only to turn around and spend a few hundred pounds on a new helicopter. Moaning about prices and wanting more for less is just human nature
03-01-2011 | 12:34 PM
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RE: Are jet accessory prices getting silly?
ORIGINAL: rbxbear44
Todd is correct! Personally, I never really cared how much something was...never asked for a ''deal'' either, just wanted the best and of course, it had to look awesome too!...until the wrecking ball from the economy hit me broadside! Now, I have to order on a budget as per my pay periods. It was such a change in how I purchased, I started receiving Get Well Cards from my favorite RC Shops and sites!!! I never really knew how much gas was per gallon either...but I do NOW[X(]
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Todd is correct! Personally, I never really cared how much something was...never asked for a ''deal'' either, just wanted the best and of course, it had to look awesome too!...until the wrecking ball from the economy hit me broadside! Now, I have to order on a budget as per my pay periods. It was such a change in how I purchased, I started receiving Get Well Cards from my favorite RC Shops and sites!!! I never really knew how much gas was per gallon either...but I do NOW[X(]
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My one cents worth
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Hey, welcome to my neighborhood!!!! I'm looking forward to the DLE version of the turbine world so I can afford some stuff!!
03-01-2011 | 01:01 PM
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RE: Are jet accessory prices getting silly?
[:-]dont intend to slag any dealers off,i think most of them charge a fair price for most items and if they were not there some of us would be right in the smelly stuff,but some prices SILLY i mean 130 quid plus for a kevlar tank for a boomer,well if you MUST have it then buy it but whats wrong with a 5quid 2litre bottle from RS.both are going to bust if you hit hard enough.as for FOD guards daves moulded ones are nice but i once ordered a pukka fod guard from another well known jet supplier,what turned up for 20 quid....... A TEA STRAINER WITH THE HANDLE CUT OFF..............
PS xairflyer got your panterra yet.
PS xairflyer got your panterra yet.
03-01-2011 | 01:16 PM
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[&o][&o][&o] if fuel prices keep going up we will all be flying simulators coz we cant afford to drive to the patch[:@][:@][:@]
03-01-2011 | 02:01 PM
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but some prices SILLY i mean 130 quid plus for a kevlar tank for a boomer,well if you MUST have it then buy it but whats wrong with a 5quid 2litre bottle from RS.
but some prices SILLY i mean 130 quid plus for a kevlar tank for a boomer,well if you MUST have it then buy it but whats wrong with a 5quid 2litre bottle from RS.
03-01-2011 | 02:26 PM
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RE: Are jet accessory prices getting silly?
I wish People such as bigplumbs would stop whinging. I'm sick of it. We are so lucky to be able to
participate in this hobby and to have such great chaps like Dave Wilshire, Ali and Jeff Sewell helping
us at any time of day or night. They all give such great service. Thank them and stop moaning !!!
participate in this hobby and to have such great chaps like Dave Wilshire, Ali and Jeff Sewell helping
us at any time of day or night. They all give such great service. Thank them and stop moaning !!!
03-01-2011 | 03:24 PM
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Todd, One way to help the customer get more "value" is add additional features, but keep the price the same. Apple does this with their product lines. They drive cost down through volume, add more features each iteration to stimulate sales, and keep the prices relatively consistent with each product generation.
03-01-2011 | 06:25 PM
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RE: Are jet accessory prices getting silly?
ORIGINAL: budjet
[:-]dont intend to slag any dealers off,i think most of them charge a fair price for most items and if they were not there some of us would be right in the smelly stuff,but some prices SILLY i mean 130 quid plus for a kevlar tank for a boomer,well if you MUST have it then buy it but whats wrong with a 5quid 2litre bottle from RS.both are going to bust if you hit hard enough.as for FOD guards daves moulded ones are nice but i once ordered a pukka fod guard from another well known jet supplier,what turned up for 20 quid....... A TEA STRAINER WITH THE HANDLE CUT OFF..............
PS xairflyer got your panterra yet.
[:-]dont intend to slag any dealers off,i think most of them charge a fair price for most items and if they were not there some of us would be right in the smelly stuff,but some prices SILLY i mean 130 quid plus for a kevlar tank for a boomer,well if you MUST have it then buy it but whats wrong with a 5quid 2litre bottle from RS.both are going to bust if you hit hard enough.as for FOD guards daves moulded ones are nice but i once ordered a pukka fod guard from another well known jet supplier,what turned up for 20 quid....... A TEA STRAINER WITH THE HANDLE CUT OFF..............
PS xairflyer got your panterra yet.
03-02-2011 | 12:25 AM
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ORIGINAL: Andy Aldridge
I wish People such as bigplumbs would stop whinging. I'm sick of it. We are so lucky to be able to
participate in this hobby and to have such great chaps like Dave Wilshire, Ali and Jeff Sewell helping
us at any time of day or night. They all give such great service. Thank them and stop moaning !!!
I wish People such as bigplumbs would stop whinging. I'm sick of it. We are so lucky to be able to
participate in this hobby and to have such great chaps like Dave Wilshire, Ali and Jeff Sewell helping
us at any time of day or night. They all give such great service. Thank them and stop moaning !!!
Dennis
03-02-2011 | 12:30 AM
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RE: Are jet accessory prices getting silly?
ORIGINAL: Xairflyer
Dont know what has happened to the Pantera, we would have had three of them but with the delays and the price keep going up we have moved on to something else.
ORIGINAL: budjet
[:-]dont intend to slag any dealers off,i think most of them charge a fair price for most items and if they were not there some of us would be right in the smelly stuff,but some prices SILLY i mean 130 quid plus for a kevlar tank for a boomer,well if you MUST have it then buy it but whats wrong with a 5quid 2litre bottle from RS.both are going to bust if you hit hard enough.as for FOD guards daves moulded ones are nice but i once ordered a pukka fod guard from another well known jet supplier,what turned up for 20 quid....... A TEA STRAINER WITH THE HANDLE CUT OFF..............
PS xairflyer got your panterra yet.
[:-]dont intend to slag any dealers off,i think most of them charge a fair price for most items and if they were not there some of us would be right in the smelly stuff,but some prices SILLY i mean 130 quid plus for a kevlar tank for a boomer,well if you MUST have it then buy it but whats wrong with a 5quid 2litre bottle from RS.both are going to bust if you hit hard enough.as for FOD guards daves moulded ones are nice but i once ordered a pukka fod guard from another well known jet supplier,what turned up for 20 quid....... A TEA STRAINER WITH THE HANDLE CUT OFF..............
PS xairflyer got your panterra yet.
I know 2 other pilots who have cancelled their Pantera Orders. In my view YT have rearly let themselves down on this one.
I also fail to see why you need a snug fitting kevlar in a boomer for over £100 to carry a few extra oz's of fuel that you probably wont use rather than a 2 ltr bottle for about £5 or better a free recycled one. I am sure a Kevelar one would also be far heavier than any pop bottle type one.
I think the bling factor has a lot to do with this item
Dennis
03-02-2011 | 12:50 AM
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As an ex Model shop owner I have to agree strongly with what Dave has said, the margins are absolutely aweful, and the overheads are getting ridiculous.
I started selling rc stuff to back up my mobile phone business and was amazed at the hopeless margins on rc.
I can assure you it is not the Distributors or Retailers that are "ripping" you all off.
Gary.
I started selling rc stuff to back up my mobile phone business and was amazed at the hopeless margins on rc.
I can assure you it is not the Distributors or Retailers that are "ripping" you all off.
Gary.
03-02-2011 | 12:52 AM
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RE: Are jet accessory prices getting silly?
If you don't want a kevlar tank, don't buy on, but don't labour the point!! Go and buy a Sullivan custom blown tank, and get over it.
You want a £10 tea strainer, cool, go fit it!
You want to buy a Ford over a BMW, no problem, your 'Choice'!!!
You pay's your money you take your 'Choice', Simples!!!!!
Why can't we ever see a thread about how a supplier's advise and knowledge has prevented an expensive jet loss, oh no I forgot we have to be negative!
When was the last time a supplier sent you an invoice for his time and advise??????
You want a £10 tea strainer, cool, go fit it!
You want to buy a Ford over a BMW, no problem, your 'Choice'!!!
You pay's your money you take your 'Choice', Simples!!!!!
Why can't we ever see a thread about how a supplier's advise and knowledge has prevented an expensive jet loss, oh no I forgot we have to be negative!
When was the last time a supplier sent you an invoice for his time and advise??????
03-02-2011 | 01:21 AM
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RE: Are jet accessory prices getting silly?
ORIGINAL: Xairflyer
Dont know what has happened to the Pantera, we would have had three of them but with the delays and the price keep going up we have moved on to something else.
ORIGINAL: budjet
[:-]dont intend to slag any dealers off,i think most of them charge a fair price for most items and if they were not there some of us would be right in the smelly stuff,but some prices SILLY i mean 130 quid plus for a kevlar tank for a boomer,well if you MUST have it then buy it but whats wrong with a 5quid 2litre bottle from RS.both are going to bust if you hit hard enough.as for FOD guards daves moulded ones are nice but i once ordered a pukka fod guard from another well known jet supplier,what turned up for 20 quid....... A TEA STRAINER WITH THE HANDLE CUT OFF..............
PS xairflyer got your panterra yet.
[:-]dont intend to slag any dealers off,i think most of them charge a fair price for most items and if they were not there some of us would be right in the smelly stuff,but some prices SILLY i mean 130 quid plus for a kevlar tank for a boomer,well if you MUST have it then buy it but whats wrong with a 5quid 2litre bottle from RS.both are going to bust if you hit hard enough.as for FOD guards daves moulded ones are nice but i once ordered a pukka fod guard from another well known jet supplier,what turned up for 20 quid....... A TEA STRAINER WITH THE HANDLE CUT OFF..............
PS xairflyer got your panterra yet.
03-02-2011 | 01:23 AM
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RE: Are jet accessory prices getting silly?
You are right, there is enough negativity in the world, without us bringing it into the hobby we use to escape it !!!
Business is hard, people seem to think it's all about margins and don't factor in overheads. Anyone who works on nagative margins, must need their head testing. Whats the point in getting out of bed to give money away?
As far as jets are concerned i think they are the premier league of the model world and i like to build them to be the best i possible can. I also like things to be neat and tidy and if that means buying clips to hold wiring or a molded tank that's made for the airframe, then i'm happy to save up and do it.
Business is hard, people seem to think it's all about margins and don't factor in overheads. Anyone who works on nagative margins, must need their head testing. Whats the point in getting out of bed to give money away?
As far as jets are concerned i think they are the premier league of the model world and i like to build them to be the best i possible can. I also like things to be neat and tidy and if that means buying clips to hold wiring or a molded tank that's made for the airframe, then i'm happy to save up and do it.
03-02-2011 | 01:37 AM
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RE: Are jet accessory prices getting silly?
ORIGINAL: Duncan
Business is hard, people seem to think it's all about margins and don't factor in overheads. Anyone who works on nagative margins, must need their head testing. Whats the point in getting out of bed to give money away?
Business is hard, people seem to think it's all about margins and don't factor in overheads. Anyone who works on nagative margins, must need their head testing. Whats the point in getting out of bed to give money away?
Dennis
03-02-2011 | 01:41 AM
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RE: Are jet accessory prices getting silly?
ORIGINAL: gingerbatics
If you don't want a kevlar tank, don't buy on, but don't labour the point!! Go and buy a Sullivan custom blown tank, and get over it.
You want a £10 tea strainer, cool, go fit it!
You want to buy a Ford over a BMW, no problem, your 'Choice'!!!
You pay's your money you take your 'Choice', Simples!!!!!
Why can't we ever see a thread about how a supplier's advise and knowledge has prevented an expensive jet loss, oh no I forgot we have to be negative!
When was the last time a supplier sent you an invoice for his time and advise?????
If you don't want a kevlar tank, don't buy on, but don't labour the point!! Go and buy a Sullivan custom blown tank, and get over it.
You want a £10 tea strainer, cool, go fit it!
You want to buy a Ford over a BMW, no problem, your 'Choice'!!!
You pay's your money you take your 'Choice', Simples!!!!!
Why can't we ever see a thread about how a supplier's advise and knowledge has prevented an expensive jet loss, oh no I forgot we have to be negative!
When was the last time a supplier sent you an invoice for his time and advise?????
This thread was simply about accessories in this hobby seeming to be expensive..... Not about why they are expensive. If people dont think they are expensive that is fine but if others feel differently they are quite entitled to make their point...... It is not necessarily negative.
03-02-2011 | 02:10 AM
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ORIGINAL: bigplumbs
People in the Construction industry are having to do this at the moment............ Why am I doing it at the moment....... Well to keep approx 250 staff in employment.... No one can continue with negative margins but for the moment this is what is having to be done....... There is another choice I surpose that would be to stay in bed and lay off 250 staff..... Not somthing I want to do
Dennis
People in the Construction industry are having to do this at the moment............ Why am I doing it at the moment....... Well to keep approx 250 staff in employment.... No one can continue with negative margins but for the moment this is what is having to be done....... There is another choice I surpose that would be to stay in bed and lay off 250 staff..... Not somthing I want to do
Dennis
That's fair enough Dennis, have to respect you for doing that and being able to do it. I have got rid of 3 staff so far and i didn't like doing that.
03-02-2011 | 02:22 AM
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RE: Are jet accessory prices getting silly?
ORIGINAL: Duncan
That's fair enough Dennis, have to respect you for doing that and being able to do it. I have got rid of 3 staff so far and i didn't like doing that.
ORIGINAL: bigplumbs
People in the Construction industry are having to do this at the moment............ Why am I doing it at the moment....... Well to keep approx 250 staff in employment.... No one can continue with negative margins but for the moment this is what is having to be done....... There is another choice I surpose that would be to stay in bed and lay off 250 staff..... Not somthing I want to do
Dennis
People in the Construction industry are having to do this at the moment............ Why am I doing it at the moment....... Well to keep approx 250 staff in employment.... No one can continue with negative margins but for the moment this is what is having to be done....... There is another choice I surpose that would be to stay in bed and lay off 250 staff..... Not somthing I want to do
Dennis
That's fair enough Dennis, have to respect you for doing that and being able to do it. I have got rid of 3 staff so far and i didn't like doing that.
Same here I just closed an office of 12 staff not nice at all..... So just hanging in there will hopefully things pick up... It is very hard for many at the moment
Dennis
03-02-2011 | 02:31 AM
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The margins in the Construction industry meant I had to lay off all of my staff, I just could not afford to keep them, the incesent raising of price's and costs seem to effect the hobby industry first, but if this is in direct responce to the increase in the standard of living for those exploited in third world countries, then so be it, trouble is those third world countries seem to be fast catching up, if not overtaking the economy of this country.
Would the last buisness man to leave England please turn off the light.
Mike
Would the last buisness man to leave England please turn off the light.
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03-02-2011 | 02:41 AM
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RE: Are jet accessory prices getting silly?
ORIGINAL: bigplumbs
And do you think your post above was positive. I see you have made 19 posts in over a year as a member. If you would like some helpful positive posts perhaps you should start making some.....
This thread was simply about accessories in this hobby seeming to be expensive..... Not about why they are expensive. If people dont think they are expensive that is fine but if others feel differently they are quite entitled to make their point...... It is not necessarily negative.
ORIGINAL: gingerbatics
If you don't want a kevlar tank, don't buy on, but don't labour the point!! Go and buy a Sullivan custom blown tank, and get over it.
You want a £10 tea strainer, cool, go fit it!
You want to buy a Ford over a BMW, no problem, your 'Choice'!!!
You pay's your money you take your 'Choice', Simples!!!!!
Why can't we ever see a thread about how a supplier's advise and knowledge has prevented an expensive jet loss, oh no I forgot we have to be negative!
When was the last time a supplier sent you an invoice for his time and advise?????
If you don't want a kevlar tank, don't buy on, but don't labour the point!! Go and buy a Sullivan custom blown tank, and get over it.
You want a £10 tea strainer, cool, go fit it!
You want to buy a Ford over a BMW, no problem, your 'Choice'!!!
You pay's your money you take your 'Choice', Simples!!!!!
Why can't we ever see a thread about how a supplier's advise and knowledge has prevented an expensive jet loss, oh no I forgot we have to be negative!
When was the last time a supplier sent you an invoice for his time and advise?????
This thread was simply about accessories in this hobby seeming to be expensive..... Not about why they are expensive. If people dont think they are expensive that is fine but if others feel differently they are quite entitled to make their point...... It is not necessarily negative.
So 19 post? and your 'Point', out of your 1680+ posts it show's you have plenty of time to moan and get negative!
Lighten up! Lifes too short.
