Hi there Gents,

for some time now i was reading about gyros and i decided i be openminded and give it a try.

My first taste was with a friends viper that has a Cortex on but i decided to go with the iGyro 3e http://www.powerbox-systems.com/prod...o/igyro3e.html
for the following reasons :
-algorithm designed originally for planes
-the VERY easy to use programming
-the low price
-and the feedback from the top guys Sebastiano Silvestri and Ali saying this is the best gyro on the market

My opinion between the two is that the iGyro 3e is way superior.
The Cortex has a more intrusive controlling feeling when the iGyro 3e feels more natural and smoother.

I got two iGyro 3e for my toys.A mustang and my new twin turbine SU-37 thats ready to go for painting.

Now my thoughts after my first flights …WOW what i was missing all this time!
Im very exited to report that i love flying with my new iGyros 3e and i will not go back.

I confirm Als saying that iGyro is NOT a flight control system! Is NOT an Autopilot, and they do not fly the plane for you .

Ali was right , iGyro did NOT improve my flying.It improved how the model flew!

On the Mustang because of the huge prop and the engine torque, i had a rolling effect during flight and engine trust issues that was pulling the plane all over.
Now all this are gone and the model is more precise . I'm free at last to enjoy flying it.

The SU became way more smoother, precise and way better in feeling.On top of that the iGyro gave it the flying grace of the real one.

With the gain in a triple switch per instructions, i found my self leaving it always on "heading" for the last 4 flights .
The feeling of flying a perfectly trimmed model is amazing ! You dont have to spent hours anymore fine tuning your mixes to get rid models couplings.

I strongly suggest to anyone to give it a try!
With the iGyro 3e my models behaviour improved dramatically …but unfortunately my skills haven't


note: make sure you secure down the gyro very well not only with the double adhesive tape!You dont want it loose!
my 2c

Well just got back from Flroida jets and here is my user report. I was using the eagle tree and it did ok but not great. So got the new 3E. After 8 flights of fighting with it and trying to program it after each flight and it still acting very bad in the air I pulled it out. The cortex dealer was nice enough to trade me a cortex to try out and from the first flight it was good to go and completely love it!

So not sure if I just had a defective unit or something but I was better off with no gyro or the eagle tree gyro over the 3E.

Does the I gyro not come with instructions? I heard of a few guys not installing them correctly. Hard to setup?
scott

Sorry you didn't had a good luck with the iGyro 3e like all the rest.

If your mechanical set up was right enough for the cortex to work then you should have no problem with the iGyro 3e.

So your problem maybe was : -loose installation -or wrong gyro direction installation -or wrong gain programming.

PowerBox is currently the only RC electronics manufacturer, which is officially licensed and regulated under DIN ISO 9001:2008 industrial norm.
Meaning you have less chances to get something defective from them than with anyone else.
But if you do they will stand up for you.I had only but great service from them.

Next time you have the chance to try the iGyro 3e give it a go.The deference over the cortex in the smoothness and the natural feeling is very noticeable !

Here are the instructions of the iGyro 3e : http://www.powerbox-systems.com/uplo...iGyro3e_en.pdf


Its basically only four steps!

1-Instal the unit towards the correct flight direction.

2-Check the correct gyro reaction on each control (elevator aileron rudder) by moving the model.Use the reverse buttons on the unit to make corrections.

3-Assign the gain into a slider and slowly increase during test flights to find the optimum gain with out model oscillating.
Then transfer it to a thee position switch so you can choose more gain to no gain….to discover what model needs so maybe you leave it permanently on gear switch

…..4- go enjoy flying


………………...If this is hard ..then im really proud of my self

George it was installed correctly Ali himself even helped some. This also is not my first gyro install..... I had to buy the programming cable because the thing was so bad I was hopping that would correct it. But it didn't and just made things worse. I couldn't go over 11% gain with out the aircraft porpoising. Cortex was fine from the first flight and the same with the eagle tree. Like I said I must have had a bad unit the way it was acting.

Also 50% of the time I had to recycle power to get my flight controls to even work on start up. And yes I followed the directions not to move them until the gyro boots up with transmitter on first...

I was there, it wasn't a user or installation problem.
He either got a bum unit or that was one of those air frames it just won't work well with.

I had excellent luck with my IGyro and it does some things I like better than the Cortex but that has to do with setup not how it handles, same thing, Cortex has some advantages but again, about setup, not flying. In practice they both work really well.

Personally, I think he got a bad unit but at the end of the day his jet was flying like it was on rails, something that I never saw with the other two units. Granted I've seen that particular jet fly a lot, but it was a visible difference even to an observer.

Definitely a bad unit !
Shoot an email to [email protected] …the guys at powerbox are really helpful and friendly and they will take care your problem !

On the other hand my mate removed his Cortex from his Viper and showed up this weekend with an iGyro 3e .
There is such a noticeable deference on the feeling and the smoothness over the Cortex he is staying with the iGyro 3e.
I think its something to do with the deferent algorithm they use i guess since powerbox one was originally designed for airplane use .

Once powerbox service your iGyro 3e ,try give it one last chance … goodluck friend

I will stay out of any discussions here about personal liking etc.

But there are things that need to be clarified as obviously not well researched, which you should do if you want to shoot arguments like that out into the public, missing a simple "I think" or similar buffering the statement a bit I know lots of people are driven to act that way these days, but you need to keep the facts correct, as otherwise it would be a lie to your fellow RC guys reading this And surely this is not your intention, I assume.

So do some more research on ISO cert in regards to the CAPTRON Electronic GmbH and you may be surprised: http://www.captron.de/company/about-captron.html
And not only ISO certified, but in addition not only a RC electronic manufacturer, but a real pro industrial company, in business with the world's largest automotive companies as well as producing industry in general since more than 30 years. All this experience additionally working out for the RC section as well, as on top we are passionate RC enthusiasts too.
Think about it

Joachim

CAPTRON Electronic GmbH
- bavarianDEMON Support, Product & Sales Manager -

The ISO 9001 is a sham, and a scam moneymaker for the ISO testing industry.

Just because other firms haven't got ISO9001 doesn't mean they could not get it, it means they haven't bothered wasting money and time on it.
I know firms who got it for example, for their marketing dept, not for their product, and then proudly displayed the ISO9001 logo on everything as if it was their product that had achieved it. It was purely for selling purposes to customers who didn't understand that it wasn't for the product, it was for the marketing dept who was currently mis-selling to them!

I once had the project to get ISO 9001 for my employer. It was a balls-ache of bureaucracy and didn't measure the quality of the product but the quality of how we went about it. It was an endless paper trail and guess what it measured - our paper forms! In effect we had to write and keep an exact history of every type of form and every change to every form, it was ludicrous beyond words.
The 9001 system was - set a standard, measure it, hold review meetings to move to the standard you have set, measure, review, measure, review........... The consultants hired by my employer to help at great cost (see what I mean about it being a scam for the testing industry) eventually agreed with me that if I set a standard of taking 2 minutes to answer the phone, be rude to customer on phone, measured how our staff did against that standard and rebuked anyone who answered the phone quickly and politely, I would have complied with the rules of ISO9001. But they wouldn't award us ISO9001 because that would be against the spirit of it. To which I pointed out that they couldn't refuse since I would be complying with the rules and secondly what if I chose some obscure technical thing they didn't understand at all but in effect did the same bad process then not only would I have complied but they wouldn't understand it was a "bad" thing and would happily award ISO9001.

Then the consultants pointed out that ISO9001 examiners were beginning to regard the "Investors in People" award as necessary to pass the ISO9001, and guess what, they could help us with that for a huge fat fee so that we could put "Investors in People" logo on staff redundancy letters. The consultants and examiners were working a fraud by deciding that they wouldn't give ISO without "Investors in People" as well, thus guaranteeing even more fees for themselves.

It's a rotten industry and I have less trust in an ISO9001 firm than I do with one that doesn't have it.

Harry, I totally agree. Anybody can do a good job, regardless if certified or not. We did this prior to 2009 too...all HeliCommand customers knew this
And I was simply intending to supply full and correct information here, as this was not the case.

Sorry but we missed one important detail. You say it was installed by Ali .

If Ali was there what he told you about the problem you describe ???

Also have you send your iGyro 3e back for check? What powerbox said?

I did not install it. I helped dial it in on the first flight. I have to admit. Looking back the set up was never quite right ( or as other models ) As it is super sensitive to gain on elevator. I had to turn it right down in order to prevent it from oscillating in pitch. I should have really looked into the set up deeper. But I got so busy with setting up other 3e's and test flying various planes that I did not get round to it till it was too late and Kris had swapped the unit out. My fault. I should have looked into this set up deeper, but I got complacent as the other 15+ 3e's that I have helped fit and set up all went in and dialled in with ease and normally in just one flight. Also. Kris had set up his Eagle tree system that was in the YF22 before the 3e so well. I knew that he was proficient with gyro set ups. Sorry.
Regards Al

Ali I thank you for the help. We where both way to busy that event. That was the least I have ever seen you fly at an event but getting that giant F104 together was worth it

Impressive doesn't cover that F-104

Ali you have contribute loads to our hobby and you should be the last guy to use the word "sorry".Your help to modellers around the world for years is priceless.

So that iGyro 3e was not defect then.
Cortex dealer should thought of this too.Thats why he didn't try to sell you the cortex but offered you a trade.I dont trade good stuff for junk

For your information we had a similar experience with a very sensitive aileron gain over here.
What we discovered was that the setup of the link geometry was bad enough to kill the resolution of the servo.

For custom gain demands on each channel powerbox offers the usb interface that allows you further programming to fine tune your iGyro 3e

http://www.powerbox-systems.com/prod...e-adapter.html

Too bad Ali was busy…once you experience the superior smoothness of the iGyro 3e you will bin any Cortex.Thats what my mate did on his Viper.


my2c

Dang Kris, we should have thought of tweaking the aileron axis only........

DelGatoGrande,

I'm not sure what your problem is with the Cortex (or it's dealers) but it almost seems like you have an alternative agenda. Both the Cortex and the iGyro3e are good systems and both have their pros and cons. I have had customers by several more Cortex gyros after trying one and also have a customer who has swapped out an IGyro for a Cortex and prefers the latter. Individual preference is a big factor in whether one system is better than another but I would suggest that the difference isn't as clear cut as you are trying to suggest.

As an aside, you can also adjust individual gains of the Cortex via a PC and the cable is included in the box (not an optional extra).

I went out and spent the extra $35.00 on the cable and adjusted individual gains... It simply did not work right in my plane. I really think it was a defective unit the way it was acting. I was simply stating my experience with the unit. I have no dog in this fight and could care less what other people buy. I am not one of those guys that need to justify my purchase to to feel better about my self by saying anything I by is the best.

Ali is the man and has given this hobby and all of us jet guys so much. Its much appreciated. I cant thank him enough for everything he has done.

Hey, no worries, lets simply wait until "the CORTEX dealer who traded junk for good stuff" will report back He will try it and then we will see.

And I agree 100% to siclick33: it is a lot of personal linking into all of this. both systems do their job in the one or other way and have their pros and cons. And this is the simple reason why personal feel gets into this so easily, and one will love a unit over the other, both ways. Reason is simple too: hardware is kid's stuff, nothing special about it, but the way to get the bits and bytes thrown around makes the effect. And this is were the one likes one system more, and the other will like the other, as there will never be the exactly same feel. Same thing people and manufacturers had to learn in the heli market which is into all this 3-axis stuff for a lot longer now. Someday here this will be learned too
The only thing that's sad is when some guys start turning this into an open battle. Usually people state things like "competition drives technology" or "for me I like XXX more", but here I get the feeling that for the first time in this business (for me) it turns out to be more like a "war", which is really funny, as noone will be able to win this anyway. Someday even the warloards themselves in this matter will realize that
Having fun all together is what I wish to all of us in this hobby and business.....lets see.

Just to clarify. Kris was super patient and understanding regards this all. I still think it may have been something in the set up. I really should have found time to have gone through it all. Sorry once again. Also just for clarity. I still rate the cortex as a great product. I think I still have at least one of my planes flying with one fitted, as well as flying a bunch of my friends planes with them fitted. I have nothing negative to say about them what so ever. I do prefer the 3e ( for a number of reasons ) but I fully appreciate and understand that others out there may prefer the cortex. Thats one of the things that makes this hobby so great. The progression and the diversity of equipment. I am sure at some point a product will come along that will be superior to both of these units. Till then. I thank both manufactures for making products that work so well and make our toy planes more enjoyable to fly!
Regards Al

Respect

Respect and +1 ��

Don't mean to hijack your thread. But I guess everyone has an opinion (you know elbows and...) anyway I am all about the demon Cortex Gyro. I have mine dialed in to perfection and as the OP said about the iGyro. The same hold true for the demon gyro. It does not fly the plane for you but the plane now has laser beam lines. In other words it is gyro on wind off. I am sure both gyro's perform pretty much the same once dialed in to the Pilot's liking. I believe that in the end it is the buyers choice on wether to go with the iGyro or demon. For me the simplicity of installation and cost plus word of mouth and video research led me to the Demon. I have no regrets and will most definitely put another one in my future projects.

Glenn

I just started using both, one on my 86 the other my t-33. Not enough flights on both to give a good review but have nothing bad to say about either. Both have their pluses and minuses that will benefit some users over others. Both were set up by the manufacturer's reps as well.

during FJ 15 I REALLY could tell the benefits in the x-winds we had as my planes are light.