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Old 08-10-2020, 08:49 PM
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Coming from a radio that had limited programming software to a Jeti radio that has all this amazing programming power is ( at least for me ) almost overwhelming but the decision was made to change and here we are. I have a good friend that likes his old radios, when he new that I got me a Jeti radio he almost got upset with me and asked why in the world I got me something so complicated, I told him, well, the time has come to move forward, the thing is, he can't help me any more as far as radio programming goes.

No more talking, back to the videos and DS12 reading.

Back in a few days.
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Question regarding servo grouping, why group the servos? and what's the benefit of doing that? Is only good for digital servos? Or, it does the same job with analog servos

How to set the smoothest possible operation of servos: JETI model s. r. o.

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Why will my radio select these servo outpins to be in the same group when they are not working the same control surface?



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Originally Posted by CARS II
Question regarding servo grouping, why group the servos? and what's the benefit of doing that? Is only good for digital servos? Or, it does the same job with analog servos

How to set the smoothest possible operation of servos: JETI model s. r. o.
Each servo group is updated by the receiver at the exact same time so all servos on a specific control move in unison. However, you don't want ALL your servos in single group as having every servo in the system update at the exact same time (assuming you moved all the controls) could cause voltage spikes, etc.
So basically:
1) Try to put channels associated with a certain control in the same group.
2) Don't put too many servos in a single group.
3) Don't create too many groups.

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Originally Posted by CARS II
Why will my radio select these servo outpins to be in the same group when they are not working the same control surface?


The receiver really doesn't have the intelligence to build servo groups properly. If Jeti was like Spectrum and assigned all the channels for you so it knew which channels were Ailerons, etc then they could do a better job of grouping servos. Still, it's easy enough to set the groups and you only need to do it once. I'll bet many don't bother to set groups at all and don't have any real problems because of it.

I'd rather have the flexibility to assign my receiver channels however I like to simplify routing servo cables, etc.
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Got it Wayne!

Any idea how will the gyro's pitch effectiveness be affected when it is placed away from the CG? roll is not a concern and did I see a gyro trim for when the gyro is placed way from the CG?

Thanks.

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Old 08-12-2020, 12:54 PM
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Any idea how will the gyro's pitch effectiveness be affected when it is placed away from the CG? roll is not a concern and did I see a gyro trim for when the gyro is placed way from the CG?

Thanks.
A gyro does not care where it is placed in a rigid body. However, an accelerometer does care, and the Assist uses both. Hence Jeti's instruction to mount the Assist near the CG. We don't know what algorithms Jeti uses to take data from both in order to perform stabilisation, I expect it is totally gyro in normal mode and therefore should not matter much where it is

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I see, thanks Harry.
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In this vid James talks about sensor trim in the Advance properties menu at 53:20 and how it can be used to make adjustments to the gyro if it is off center.

How will this work in our jets when 90% of the times the receiver is far forward from the CG point?

Tks.

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While looking for more to read on the assist, I found this posting ( Wayne ) on RCG that I think it is worth posting here.

I have a sport plane with flaps. I often fly with an aileron to rudder mix, and elevator compensation for takeoff and landing flaps. With a Powerbox Systems iGyro 3e, all of this was ok.

I set up the plane for a Jeti Rex Assist. I got the plane trimmed and then used the Assist menu to calibrate the throws. I took off with Assist off without any mixes or flaps and switched on the Jeti in Normal mode, and the plane flew ok.

I then took off in Normal mode with takeoff flaps, and when I returned the flaps to neutral, the plane wanted to fly as if it was nose heavy or trimmed down. Is this expected behavior?

When you calibrate the axes, should the Assist be off, or Normal?

I''m guessing you powered up the Assist with the flaps deployed. Don't do that. It looks at the centers during power up and if you have flaps and elevator trim during power up then everything else will be out of whack for the rest of the flight. Setup your switch requirements for power up to prevent that make it a requirement that your flaps switch is in the no flaps position, etc in order for the transmitter to connect. Once it's connected and armed then you can deploy your flaps and take off but ALWAYS power up the Assist and wait for it to arm with the controls, switches and the trims set for straight and level flight with no flaps, etc.

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Old 08-12-2020, 07:59 PM
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I just finish reading the DS12 thread on RCG, it mostly talks about gliders which the DS12 is good for, no props and definetly no jets, it doesn't hurt to read it, if you do, skip the first 18 pages, thrust me, I know

I will be checking out the other threads soon.
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I just discover this Assist thread, it should be a gold mine, time to dig in

https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...gramming-Telem
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Carlos,
This thread really helped me with the assist. My post started at #176
Gary

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Nice! I hope I can learn from it also.

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That thread is on RCU, different site but same subject, I will also dig into this one.

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Still reading on the assist.

After one is done doing the first trim flight, does the assit has any problems when crow is used and trimmed for the first time to land? In other words, will it allow for minor trim changes? like the trim change used when crow is used for the first time.

Tks.
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Originally Posted by CARS II
Still reading on the assist.

After one is done doing the first trim flight, does the assit has any problems when crow is used and trimmed for the first time to land? In other words, will it allow for minor trim changes? like the trim change used when crow is used for the first time.

Tks.
If you have “damping only” checked there should be no problem.
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Originally Posted by CARS II
Still reading on the assist.

After one is done doing the first trim flight, does the assit has any problems when crow is used and trimmed for the first time to land? In other words, will it allow for minor trim changes? like the trim change used when crow is used for the first time.

Tks.
Shouldn't be a problem as long as you are in normal damping mode and "damping only" check box is selected (default)

oops, never mind someone beat me to it.
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Another New addition to ever expanding Jeti/Elite family.

Now in production, brand new Elite 6-Bus Channel Expander. Get up to 6 servos (PWM) or 5 servos and EX Bus or Telemetry from single Jeti EX Bus port on your receiver. Use with small servos, DLG sailplanes do not pull anything. And for anything bigger, 6-Bus can by use as channel/function expander. Many functions do not need high current, lights, gyro, retract with extra battery .....

We will be offering 2 types of cables, standard 6”/125mm with JR connector and
10”/250mm with silicone leads and JR signal connector up to 10A applications.

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ZB where are the R3 900mhz, I like to know?

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Mark, Wayne.

Thanks.

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Gary

You were correct when you said that you learned a lot from that thread, my head is hurting from all the technical talk between Wayne and Harry but, I've learn more about the assist part of the Jeti REX receivers from that thread than anywhere else except Harry's assist videos which contains what he explains in that thread, watching the video then reading his explanations regarding assist will make any newcomers understand the gyro in no time.

I strongly recommend to any newcomers that wish to use and learn about the assist Jeti receivers to read that thread.

Start reading at post 177.


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Old 08-14-2020, 06:56 PM
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There are other that guys that have lots of knowlage and are always willing to help anyone that is looking to learn about the Jeti products and set up, Danny from Aeropanda has been super helpful with all my questions about Jeti programming, Mark, Wayne, Jsnipes, Daniel, my local friends Nick and Raffy.

New Jeti guys, don't hesitate to ask for help, it is there, and that is one of the big reasons why I got me a DS12 .

Enough talk, back to reading, I can't have enough, more info please!

Start reading at post 177.



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Here's something else to read when you get a chance.
https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...gic-List-yours
https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...5&postcount=77

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