Besides all the rumor without any actual evidence the really funny thing here is to shut down the thread in the first place. Without being contrary to any forum guidlines there was no reason to shut it down other than a belief that the Feds would actually bother looking at RCU for ammo to close down jet events. Someone from the FAA is probably always examining anything out of the ordinary from a safety standpoint so nothing there is new. Let's not take a silly airplane forum so seriously as to think that things said here carry any weight with people who make policy decisions/

I am not Mr. Chicken Little that goes around crying that the sky is falling but based on some of the official evidence I was able to glean into today, I would tell you that the sky has already fallen.

Only time will tell.


....ghost_rider........out.......

Well I hope the cone of silence is lifted soon so we can start to lobby whomever we need to.

I understand something delicate is going on but I think many of us are ready to go to bat.

Ben thanks for doing the research,

Sorry Matt, we would tell you but we can't risk you posting something here on RCU and the Feds reading it and blowing the whole thing wide open. There are National Security issues at risk and Dave Brown himself has put everyone here on double secret probation.

Official evidence? Like what?

I'm scratching my head at the whole "Cones Of Silence" thing. As I was last month when DB said "keep it cool, don't talk about the whole licensing thing" in his column in MA. What do you mean, don't talk about it? What kind of weirdness is that?
If it's an FAA NPRM, then it will go through a whole big process...it's a "notice of PROPOSED rule making..." and there will be time to figure the whole thing out.
Not that I have any idea what is going on, but I think it's already pretty safe to say it was NOT as originally posted: "feds shoot down jets", that's not really the situation at all.
If it IS just "federally funded airports must remain open during events", that's not really a big deal.

Yeah, well, I ain't buying it. The sky has not fallen, even if the rumor is true, the sky has not fallen.
And I don't go in for all this internet "trust in me...I have inside information...all will be revealed when the time is right!" baloney. It's an old saw, it's a lot of horse fritters, I've seen it a jillion times before, if you have something to say, spit it out, not one damn thing written on the internet is going to affect an FAA NPRM or what AMA can do about it, so speak up, or it's just so much more internet jive, which I thought YOU of all people were ABOVE.

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Perhaps there is no need to re-post the old thread. This one has just about taken over with the same theme, the same rumors and will probably be just as destructive in the long run.
By the way, what's up with that remark by Easy Tiger insinuating that any event that Frank Tiano puts on will cost the pilots dearly. Last time I checked, we had entry fees the same or Lower than some events and give an unobstructed airport for your flying pleasure! And I pay dearly for the surrounding property useage, the area that allows all the pilots trailers, cars and tents to be in close proximity to action! Maybe if he brought one of his little EDs to FJ he'd see for hisself?
Anyway, great job of moderating, I think it will benefit all of us in the long run. Thanks.
Just my 3 1/2 cents. (inflation)
FT

The ghost has it partly correct... airports are for aircraft activity only.. the Feds do not want to see airport operators spinning off point to find ways to make more money! This is not a new issue nor is it aimed at R/C aircraft or Jets.

Here in Colorado a several years back we had an airport operator that discovered he had a car race track ready made.. or at least the race car enthusiasts discovered it... anyway you can see that if an airport owner operator is having hard times making it with airplanes why not open it up to anything that pays. Can you all see what could happen to many little airports across our fine Country..

I believe the non-aircraft usage hat trick is pulled out when either the locals or the Feds don't want "it" to happen! The Feds on the other hand will pull the non-aircraft usage trick out of the hat when they can see the local airport operator is getting out of hand..
Lee H. DeMary
AMA 36099

Edited because of the Quote killer thing

I knew that would get a rise! And nobody bit till now! Please accept my apology. Your events are worth every penny. Maybe you can help these Ozark guys somehow, find them another venue...
PS I don't do EDF, it's for sissies.

EXACTLY.
The feds do not want to put money into an airport, then have it closed every saturday and sunday for a flea market. There are any number of ways around this, and this particular Ozark incident was handled VERY poorly.
I'm not getting into details, but certain people who are not even modellers created a bad situation. They did it because they wanted the MONEY that they think the jet events will bring in. Almost nobody who has posted here has any idea of what they are talking about, either about WHAT happened here, or about FAA policy, or about the "memo" that was sent, or the implications of it...this whole incident has to be in the top ten RCU "complete BS" threads, containing about 95% pure nonsense. Never heard such crap. And in spite of incredible evidence to the contrary, people just keep spreading and enhancing dumb rumors. What's the point? Belive all the BS you want to beleive, I'm outta here.

ET,
"has to be in the top ten RCU "complete BS" threads".
All I did when I started this thread was to ask what happened to the then deleted post.
Certainly that doesn't rank this thread in the top ten "BS threads".
BRG,
Jon

You believe that the organizers of an event have absolutely no right to question a denial at a federally subsidized airport that belongs to the community, when the same thing goes on in your neighborhood without the same problems? I don't even live in their community, but I believe what is good for one is good for all. They did nothing that others would not have done. Elsewhere you have alluded to your great powers of negotiating and tactfulness when dealing with government officials, perhaps you would make a good president of the AMA. It has cost us one very nice jet rally, and from the memos, which you discount BUT I have read, it will probably cost us more down the road. You continue to call this utter BS but as of yet you have not provided me with one shred of evidence to prove it, and the other parties involved have done so.
The thread was closed and I was not going to even repsond to this one, but you insist on insulting the organizers of the OJM Rally saying they were out for the MONEY???? Duh? It provides a great venue for the community to bring in people and allow them to spend their dollars. The exact same thing that the FAA says is allowable. Do you think Mr. Tiano organizes jet events for the fun of it...ask him and I am sure he will tell you it is a passion and a business.
The rules as described by the FAA have NOT been enforced properly in the past and if you are familiar with them, as I know you are, you can see where alot of fly-ins are not, nor with they be able to, comply with the rules as they are written.
No, it does not singly identify JETS, but all R/C activity at federally supplemented full scale airports with one runway. I have yet to understand the mentality of "keeping it under wraps" or "keeping it quiet", it does nothing but create more confusion thru rumors and misinformation, and makes those who are not "in the know" look like children who cannot handle the truth. One of the organizers even received a very rude phone call from the president of AOPA...what the heck is that all about?
I was told that the past year the airport where OMJ was held kept records of the traffic received at the airport during the same period the week before and week after, and it was less than 7 planes. Seven planes???? Reckon how much money those 7 planes spent at the airport, the surrounding hotels, or the community? I don't know, but am willing to quess it was not as much as the jet rally.
This is not the same as closing it down for a flea market every weekend, although your agrument makes some valid sense. This is an event like an airshow that benefits the community and brings people out to the airport. There are many airports nearby and it would not hurt the FAA to allow "partial closure" of the runway for a few hours a day for this to go on. What are our tax dollars for anyway?

BTW, if it were me I wouldn't stop here, they might as wel take it as far as they can.

Let the begin

Not!!!!!!!!................closing this one.