"I thought it was implied (or maybe stated) in the AMA insurance stuff, that if an AMA member flies a model at a non-AMA designated field, he is not covered by AMA insurance....."

Im fairly sure that you are covered by the AMA wherever you decide to fly. The problem is that the owner of the flying site is not covered.

Example. The property my club flies from is owned by the city and the city is covered through our club charter with the AMA. If the club were to let the charter lapse the city would shut us down until the charter was renewed and therefore providing the city with some level of insurance. Your/My club may also add additional flying sites to the charter for an additional fee per year.

So flying out in the middle of no where with nothing or no one to harm in site, I say go for it. Flying off someone's private property I say be extremely carefull as they can be liable for damages also.

Cheers.
James

F..... dat..

I will fly it... I can start all 4 of those masterblasters in 2-3 min
and hold on..


Eddie Weeks

Would be no problem to fly it at a local airport with permission or head out west with it to a dry lake bed. The jet will need lots of room anyway and the trip would be worth the investment. Also they can pick up Eddie on the way heading west!!!

Vin...

trailer queen

Had someone on the jets list tear me up about it (cause I said the same thing///////// its never going to see the air, its a really nice prop),


And if its not a trailer queen/ prop, then hey, prove me wrong hand Eddie the controls, and lets fly!

Richard Newman

I guess I am in big trouble with the AMA. I understand that if I want to fly at an AMA sanctioned event or flying field I MUST have a waiver to do so. I have been flying turbines for several years now at non-AMA locations. When I find the time to get signed off by the AMA to fly my aircraft at my local field, I will do so. (I am actually looking forward to it!) In the mean time I continue to fly my jets at several "legal" locations. The BLM says I can fly my turbine aircraft at Silurian Dry Lake just south of Las Vegas; I have had many flights there along with several other un-waivered turbine pilots. I also fly at a local private airport in the Northern Virginia area, with permission from the owner. I don't bring this up to start a rebellion; I think the AMA turbine waiver process is the way to go to operate a turbine safely. I am not doing anything illegal by flying my turbine powered aircraft!

Brian Shipp

Absolutly not Brian, but your also limited on where you can fly.... Have you purchased any additional insurance coverage in case something does happen? Just curious....

I built a Concorde 18 yrs ago.When it was time to test fly it I check on the AMA insurance.I found out that it is a secondary insurance.Your home owners insurance is in affect if you should have a accident.AMA would only cover the deductible.I don't know if things have changed since then. As for the test flight, it crashed and didn't make it far enough to hit anything but the ground. Two lessons learned. Check out your insurance and check the CG.
Go Fly it! Butch

Give Eddie the sticks, at least then it "can" have a shot!


RN

could the rig hover on its own,hell yes !!!, Let Eddie fly the beast, I'll be more than happy to help fix it if it breaks, (which won't happen , right Eddie ?!

Mike

Jesus, all this talk. If he flies it it may crash. Alot more interesting to talk about what it has under the hood then race it and blow a rod. Do you think that there may be alittle of this in not wanting to fly it?
Eddie weeks plane , however condesending people have been about the way it looks, is the kind of plane you can fly the shi...out of and not worry about if it crashes. You know it's a fifty feet fifty, mile per hour plane. The thrust reversers alone probably cost as much as a entire airplane. I don't think I would want to fly a $50,000.00 airplane on a $300.00 receiver anyway . I wish the radio companies can get out of the dark ages. I'd pay $1000.00 for a better receiver and $5000.00 for a better tranmitter if I thought it would give my plane a better chance of surving interference. I know they have the technology so why don't you think this is a option? Dean

.

Why go to europe....just through that thing in a trailer and head to canada :-).

Uhhhh...that could be a problem too.

Dean Wichmann
MAAC Jet Committe Chair

Its the Spruce Goose of jets (at least that thing got a high speed taxi test, I doubt this thing will ever even roll down the runway).


Richard Newman

Well, maybe I just have a different outlook on things than some of you guys, but I'd personally rather congratulate Jim on being willing to spend the time & money for creating such a unique and marvellous model, than criticise him for not having flown it.

Gordon

I did not necessarily want to criticize him, I was targeting the guy that blasted me on the jets list after I said " I thought it would never fly". I kind of thought this would drag him out.

It is an awesome model.

I just can't see putting all that money in a static display model. If you have no intention to fly it, why put all the bells and whistles on it, and hang it out on the flight line at every event giving the illusion it will be flown. Rumors of it being done have been around since it was in construction.

There has been stories of why it hasn't flown, this and that. Why not put it up for all to see, and say"hey its not going to fly" on there web page. Personally, like I said, I think it will never fly.
I just don't see the big deal with owning up to it, instead of, all the hype and stories of when and "if".

My 2 cents.......

Actually the Concord is waiting for the bleed air system to arrive and be installed so it can fly at altitude. I will patiently await and if it never flys it's his perogative and I'm ok with that. Dean

Bleed air for what?

Its no big deal that they have not flown it.. I mean
how many people here have planes that they have not
finished... Projects they have not completed.. This
is the same thing on a different scale.

As a scratch builder I get most of my enjoyment
from designing and building, flying is only a small
part of the hobby.

I really did not enjoy test flying the first DC-10 until
I landed it. But I HAD to do it...
I was a nervous wreck. Don't get me started with the RIG..


So I think... Its Jims plane and Jims design and Its up
to Jim to what happens next..

Eddie Weeks

Bleed air ..It was a joke ! Bleed air to pressurize the hull so it can fly at altitude. get it?? Dean

Hey Eddie, Since you are around...On your DC-10 do you have negative down thrust in your turbines and how much. Also If you were to set the nose gear of the Dc-10 so the wing has 1 degree positive so the aircraft rotates easily then this of course would change the angle of thrust of the engines. Could you fill me in on what you did ?. Dean

Oh, OK, I see that now.

Well the DC-10s are as simple as they come... zero deg
on the turbines and 1-2 deg down on the elev..

The drawing I had did not show any pos AOA on the
ground.. ie the nose was not up in the air sitting on the
landing gear... So I built it zero deg also...

I changed the main gear on my old Isobar and ended
up with minus 3-5 deg AOA on the ground... Did
not change a thing... Still rotates no problem
when the airspeed reaches whatever and takes off
a bit later..

Landing gear placement is far more important than
all that.. Hop this helps..


Eddie Weeks

down on the stab you mean..right? dean