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Good news. I was kinda waiting for it.

did I miss it or was there no mention of an upgrade for the new 12Z that I got[]

Adil

Adil,

Post 2 in the other site's thread shows that the module and rx for the 12Z will be available. You're all set to go!

"TM-14: 14-Channel Module and R6014FS 14-Channel Receiver
Fits the 14MZ, 12Z, and the NEW 12FG radio"

Mike

cut and paste from the other site

Major pre-Toledo release! Remember where you heard it first folks. Today Futaba releases a killer new radio system designed from the bottom up, chalk full of 2.4 Gigahertz technology! Introducing the all new 12FG 2.4 FASST system! Boasting 2048 G3 resolution coupled with the uber fast transmission speeds of 2.4Ghz, helicopter and airplane programmability, 8 flight conditions, piles of mixing capabilities, and all the fixin’s, this radio looks like it’s going to be a hit! Futaba’s release of this system marks a historic release of the first major “high end� 2.4Ghz transmitter system. You all know that we’ve been fanatically following this technology, and we’re giddy with excitement...

Thanks Mike and Jason. I'm smiling again

Adil

Check here.

http://2.4gigahertz.com/modules/futl7637.html

http://2.4gigahertz.com/radios/futk9275.html

Wonder how much that 12FG is going to be?

Marty

!!OUTSTANDING!!

I knew that these were just around the corner! The new 12FG page says that its' "cheaper than other 12 channel radios" and since their's is one of them, I would think that implies that it will be less than $1K...

I have one of their 2.4 GHz 6 channel systems that I'm testing now. It seems to work OK, but I want more time on it before I dive into the 12FG. Also, there is one down side to the 2.4 GHz systems...

I don't know if those of you who have tried them have noticed, but if for some reason, you DO have a failsafe event, the 2.4 GHz systems seem to take A LOT longer to come back. This seems to be particularly true of the Futaba 6-channel unit. If you loose link, its a good 4 seconds before you get it back...

Bob

I tried the DX7 fail safe and it seems to be 2 seconds for recovery (turn off Tx then back on and then count!). Now, some times the DX7 does not "bind" right away and you have to turn Tx and Rx off and on to bind again, So, if this happens in a FS mode then it will be toooo late for any recovery!!!

Futaba get it right once again.

Fantastic

We have to wait and see. Futaba does the " frequency hopping". Spektrum, and I suspect JR, do the " dual frequency" method.....Time will tell which is better. It is very possible that BOTH systems will work to customers satisfaction!!!

Yup, was wating for the 14MZ 2.4GHz module, finally it is here.
Futaba all the way, no match.

as stated many times before, 2.4 ghz is not necessarily the answer. there are plenty of other devices using the same frequency.
it wont be long before 5.8 ghz comes around. give it another year.

Bob,
How did you simulate a fail-safe event? Turning the transmitter off may simulate a rare fail-safe event, but does not simulate fail-safe event recovery time!! Only two ways I know of for simulating a potential in-flight fail-safe event, and be able to see the real R/F link recovery time.
1. Test the R/F link to the limits of it's range forcing the link in and out, or introduce another R/F signal on frequency to jam or momentarily lock out the link being tested. I haven't found a way to do that with any 2.4GHz system yet, have you?

Turning the transmitter off is not a test of the fail-safe recovery time. Turning the transmitter off with some transmitters example 14MZ takes about 10 to 15 seconds for the transmitters signal to come back on line or reboot.

All radios that I have tested with either Single or Two stage fail-safe systems have a fail-safe recovery time so quick you cannot measure the recovery time! On the other hand transmitter reboot time varies with different radios, do not confuse reboot time delay with fail-safe recovery time.

Two stage fail-safe systems have a first stage built-in surface hold time, usually one second. The second stage of the fail-safe then either continues a hold or moves your channels to pre-selected positions. Two stage fail-safe systems are by far the best fail-safe systems. Single stage fail-safe systems can only be programmed for hold or pre-set, and have no time delay built-in.
Lee H. DeMary
AMA 36099

Are "frequency hopping " and "dual frequency" radios compatable for use at the same time on the same site ? Is there any limit to the number of "frequency hopping" radios in use at the same time as there is with " dual frequency"? Sorry if these are dumb questions, but light bulbs are considered magic in my neck of the woods !

Alan

From what I know the Frequency hopping radios do not effect nor are effected by any other 2.4GHz transmissions. In other words the frequency hopping SS radio can be used in any number along side any number of other 2.4GHz radios.
Use it and forget it... it just works that kinda sounds like a dream comming true..
Lee H. DeMary
AMA 36099

Japanese price of the Futaba 12FG

http://angel.hobby.co.jp/maker/futab.../12fg/12fg.htm

photos

Has anyone been following the XPS story?

http://www.xtremepowersystems.net/xtremelink.php

$199 for a module to fit my JR 9XII with a 10 channel receiver.
$119 for additional 10 channel receivers.
There will also be a 16 channel receiver with the following capabilities built in

"The 16 channel receiver will have automatic servo matching built in, along with a power system handler. Multiple power sources, including backups, will be possible. The servo matching can handle any number of servos per channel (up to 14 channels can be matched). Current sensing is used to determine precision matching. In flight current sensing will automatically shut down a servo that is experiencing excessive current draw (bad motor or servo controller). If anyone has any ideas on features, please speak now. The final prototypes will be built next week, and it is not too late to add something important."

Link to some discussions regarding the XPS system http://www.rcg****s.com/forums/showthread.php?t=656877

The discussion forum can be a bit long winded but there is some good information available in there

XPS will also be releasing a telemetry unit for the system,

"Apparently, you missed the part about the audio commentary for the sensor data that is built into our telemetry display unit. This talks to you to give you updates and warnings.

At CA Jets we had a very good suggestion presented to us. Sometimes a flame out in a turbine occurs and due to the numerous other aircraft flying (like at an event) you can't tell until you give it throttle and the attitude does not change. This can often be several seconds. It only takes a few seconds to mean the difference between your $$$$ crashing or your $$$$ crash landing (or possibly landing without incident). We saw this happen to several planes at CA Jets. I am looking into what the ECU outputs to my data terminal. I should be able to make the data a "sensor" and send all of that data to our telemetry display. This would give you RPM, EGT, Fuel consumption, etc. In the case of a sudden fuel stop or RPM change (without throttle change) a flame out can be detected and reported immediately with an alarm. Our entire system with telemetry option retails for around $320 (w/10 channel receiver). You can't even buy landing gear for most turbine planes for that amount, so the price of the system could very well pay for itself the first time you need it."


Greg

There are a few videos of the system in use posted on their site,

http://www.xtremepowersystems.net/videos.php

Greg

And these will go on sale next week...

It looks like the Futaba antenna it is directly attached to the back of the TX module. If that’s the case it’s disappointing. I would prefer some type of antenna that replaces the original one. The other thing to consider is that there is a lot of stuff that operates on 2.4g.

Well, it's not all going to be out at your flying field; output power levels are constrained, and the stuff you're thinking of is typically selected to one channel within the band. Futaba's stuff, by comparison, is the only true agile/freq hopper out there. Kudos to Futaba!

Mike

How about something with true 10 or more porportional channels like JR's 10x?

Raf

OK, here it is.....


http://www.flyinggiants.com/forums/f...ules-more.html

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