Guys, I had no part whatsoever in the IJMC meeting just quoted the new rules for debate. Thank you for your input.

My personal feeling is that the scrapping of the builder of the model rule tears the heart out of the contest. All one has to do to get top static marks is to ask Skygate to build you a Hawk and sign off a big cheque It was done in NI. That not my scene in model aviation.
I will follow your comments with interest.

Regards, David Gladwin.

I have no dog in this fight, but I think Henry's (HVN Models) stock just went up...he must have a 2 year backlog of those hawks to build, and if his last one is any indication, they are going to be VERY hard to out static...just amazing....and I am sure he make a pretty penny on those, especially with that much demand.

David,
I agree with your point regarding builder of the model rule. I guess its the hobby that is changing (ARF mentality - "no time to build"), and IJMC is changing to reflect the hobby, perhaps. Without BOM rule though, it becomes a "low k-factor" pattern contest with expensive, detailed models in my mind, doesn't it?...

I'll probably never compete in the event anyway, due to necessary skill, time commitment, etc. But perhaps that is what the event should be judging, not just throwing $$$ for 10 days. And I'll still appreciate watching the models statically and flying, the fliers, and the people that spend all the time organizing these events. [8D]

Hopefully these type events will never devolve into allowing buddy boxes - at that point, model building/flying is doomed!

Hi!

Funny bonus systems. One guy can get 50 points bonus for a "one of" even if he didn't build it, while Stephan Völker gets less points, because it is a full-composite kit, where he shaped a fuselage, covered it with glass, did a great job on detailing the plug and produced a mould for it.....

Didn't they say they wanted the event to be shorter? Registration seems mandatory to me, so the last day to arrive would be the wednesday. I am counting 9 days for the competition. Knowing that transport and unpacking the boxes can take some time, we are back to the 14 days!

I am sorry that I missed the sleepless nights of Rheinbach this year. Sounds good to me

David Büsken

Hi Tommy, and David Buesken,
Tommy, i have good news for you, wait for my call.
David, im and E.... having coffee in Dubai, he is leaving tomorow to munich, we went to AlAin Airshow, and we had anice time in Dubai RC Club, DONT let him come alone again.
By the way the winner on the next JWM is Reto , he will have lot of points.
And dont worry about Stephan he know what are we doing in Dubai

Rashed
(Master of the Masters - DUBAI 2009 )

Guys

Sounds like Steve Rickett's Gloster Whittle will be the perfect entry for the next WJM. It is scratch built and designed, it is pre 1942 (I think!!) and it has not competed at the last two WJM. I think that makes around 148 points of a start if Steve enters.

John

Hello David,

It is so interesting how many times I have read comments on magazine like Jet Power that I have paid big $$ for skygate to build my hawk or reading your comment since I am the only person that SG built him a model for NI. I do recognize that you are one of the known people in this hobby and I do have great respect for your contribution to it through many articles that I read. This is why I bothered myself to post this reply and I hope it will clarify things for you and whoever might have question about it.

Just for clarification:

1- In my participation application to the NI organizers, I clearly mentioned that Andreas built my hawk and it was printed in the event booklet. So there is nothing that I tried to hide.

2- Didn't you recognize how many participants have their builders with them?? Do you want to tell me that those builders are not as good as skygate or they charge less??

3- Did I or they violate the rule of the IJMC? Actually I should be apprised for being smart about it ( I don’t think that I paid more than many participants or beyond what many can afford. Mr. Avond asked me for the cost and he said it is much cheaper than what he will be charging!!)

4- Did I participate in individual and claimed that I built my model?

Just for the record skygate built 2 identical hawks for me. I don't know why it bothers people that I have great looking planes. Do you want to tell me that I paid more than other participants who were their in the competition?? Do I need to bring a skymaster hawk to please people??

I think I have respected and followed the rules which in my opinion differentiated between pros who built their model ( or claimed they built their models) and open class where clearly mentioned that the pilot didn't build his model.

When I attended the last competition I enjoyed meting many great men who I value more than my models. That is what it counts and should be recognized as the 1st objective for the ijmc meetings. I can’t tell you how much I value meeting people like Mr.Burns for example. But unfortunately I also realized many people were not happy for a reason or the other. I actually believe I was one of the reasons why the IJMC have made several changes to its rules which makes me feel good that I as a member contributed something to my organization ;-).

Hope to see you soon so we would have the chance to exchange our views and build abetter understanding about each other.

Eid Al Shamri
Saudi Jet Team

For those who did n't see my Bird,

Eid

I don't think I have heard or read anyone saying you contravened any of the rules for entry to the WJM.

Through either hard work or good fortune you are in the position of being able to pay the manufacturer of your kit to build you two near perfect examples of the Hawk. I am sure that you are sensitive enough to realise that alone will excite a cetain amount of jealousy among some of those not in your position. I am also sure that David Gladwin is not one of those.

You are quite correct, or course, to state that there were other competitiors in open class who had their builder's with them and I am quite sure some of the models were just as costly as yours just as there may have been models in individual class which were not built by the pilot.

We cannot halt progress, and it is now the way of the world that money buys success in many fields and we should not forget that someone who builds his own model and spends hundreds of hours on it would have also spent a huge sum of money if he was to value his time at a realistic craftsmans rate.

I have to say that I agree with David in lamenting the loss of the builder of the model rule. Unfortunately this is very difficult to police as we are relying on the honesty of the supposed builder. I do believe, however, that the new bonus system goes some way to addressing the issue and, as I have commented in the post prior to yours, models such as Steve's Gloster Whittle will be justly rewarded for their originality and skilled construction.

I hope to see you again at a future WJM.

Best regards

John

That Whittle is a very nice work of art but it looks like it is way over the 20 kilo weight limit.

Steve

I was fortunate enough to be present at the maiden flight of Steve's Whittle. The model is beautifully crafted from traditional materials i.e. plywood and balsa. The fully planked fuselage is a work of art. The model is comfortably within the 20kg weight limit as the fuselage largely consists of air surrounded by 3mm balsa! It flies in a very scale manner on a Jetcat P120.

John

Hello John,

Yes you are write it was not mentioned. What I meant is to tell people that I HAVE NOT VIOLATED ANY RULES so why people are quoting me and not others who did the same or even more.
Some participants have used 3 gyros. I received my plane in NI and I didn't use any gyro, does that make me better or worse. NO. You might remember that I even cancelled my third flight when you told me that I have missed my slot (when I attended the mangers meeting) and flying now in a better weather will give me advantage over others. I respected your comments and I didn't make any fuzz about it.

John, there are many good things that happened in that event such as I added many good friends. I have few people from other teams visiting me for business in few weeks and I have gained so many good people that I value much more than any thing in this hobby. So I can conclude the good side is far more the bad side.

Not replying to anyone in particular here.
I think it is sad to see the direction in which the masters is going. It should be a competition that firstly displays the entrants skill in building the model & his ability to fly it well without autopilot gyros. Fair enough to have the non builder competition as before.
It is now going to be the person with the deepest pockets combined with less skill who is likely to win. I personally see no incentive to try & compete under these conditions.
No doubt its popularity will decline as a result & another alternative will appear.

i have been there for some Diving years ago
the heat you dont feel to much as our heat with high humidity.
the biggest problems is you dont sweat (vaporises) , and you need about a gallon or more of water each day..
you will sooner dry out then your jets....

Sandor
In that case I will continue and increase my dry Sauna practise...[:@]


regards
Anders Wikman

The weather in Israel is like Cyprus but without the Cabaret dancers

Chris

If it is anything like the terrible event in Ireland last year I wouldnt bother.

There *is* another alternative - its called Top Gun. Its in the same place in sunny Floriday every year, there are big crowds of people watching you strut your stuff, and from what I've seen, the prizes are way better. The one possible down side is you have to compete against non-jet stuff, but the jets usually score better anyway and if you could convince 50 jets guys from all over the world to sign up, I'd bet you might even be able to talk Frank into a seperate jet class - you never know...

Bob

Three major factors affected NI in my view.

1- Bad weather throughout the event
2- Bad food throughout NI
3- No Nightlife

Also, had the organising committee be ready only a couple of days prior to our arrival, there would have been no major organisational problems. They did not rehurse the activities either, therefore could not anticipate the hurdles they eventually encountered. They also needed to work on their hospitality skills.

Chris

Chris

You are right about the weather, but that was not the organisers fault, it was crap over all of northern europe last "summer" The food was not that bad, we had good Indian , Italian and Chinese nights out! I will say it again, the competition finished on time!!

You guys told us how wonderful Cyprus was going to be and fell on your faces at the first hurdle! You can talk the talk but you can't walk the walk! I would suggest you either put up or shut up.

John

I'm not quite sure where in Israel the comp will be held at but the country has four different climate areas... in the north of the dead sea towards the galilea sea is still hot but more humid, while the dessert is hotter but dry.The sea shore area enjoys lower temp with highier humidity prcentage. The temp in the areas is as follows ...A. dessert--- +37~40 centegrade 35~40% humidity B.Galilea sea ~+ 35 ++70% humidity C. Sea shore area +31 , 60~70% humidity. D. dessert mountain area near the cities ARAD or DIMONA Temps are +31 humidity is around 35~40%.

Maybe the Hot Saunna is not that necessary....:-)

Or maybe you go as the statement " Hard in practice easy in battle!"

In theory you are correct. But what happened last meeting is a great flyer with a model that was built by a known builder with the support of three gyros didn't make it to the top 5. If you look at the static score it was fairly close for many pilots, indicating a serious level of scale models. For your information, lots of the score was based on the documentation which was not very well handled by many teams. That was demonstrated by the score that the Russian team was able to get in front of many great builders. I spent great amount of time and traveling time to get a great documentation. I managed to get the real decals that the Saudi Hawks use in their real planes. I even managed to get the exact paints, reducer and activator. It was all sent by me to Skygate. Lots of efforts and long hours spent to get that model to where it is.

So, it is just how you position yourself.

I agree

He got his pocket filled so he is going to eat so he will shut up ;-)

John,

Why so aggressive with me now??

I never put the blame on the organisers at all. it was all in the timing I said.In Fact I said is that, for one or two day's delay things did not end up as some of the participants wanted. And yes, Cyprus is a good choice, provided you have an airfield available. If the British military authority tells you one day that you can have their airfield for your competition and then the next that you cannot, this is not my fault. Wouldn't you say that this was reason enough to pull out while Avi could still offer his country, so that we would still have our competition?

That was not the first hurdle, I could still organise a fantastic event with welcoming drinks and sightseing tours, barbeques and go-go dancers but where the H%$LL would you fly your jets???

And as you already know that no money was ever made by organisers and with that kind of attitude from members of the jet community, who knows if we will ever convince people to come forth and offer their countries.

Eid, just in case you think it's an easy thing to host an International Jet event, why don't you offer your country for the Masters in 2011?

Chris

Please do not try & put the blame for the Cyprus organisational mess on the British military. They never promised you the airfield for the period requested. See your explanation below given on another thread. In that you place the blame on your fellow Cypriot organiser for misleading you. What happened to the two other Cypriot airfields that were supposed to be available?
I do not want to start an argument here, but get the facts right.

Quote:-

Gentlemen,

There is no mystery covering this. The simple truth is that the other part of the organising committee lied about airport availability, to me first and to the other delegates later. He kept lying about that as well as other matters, until he could lie no more (a month ago). The airport would be available only for ten days in August, which would make the cost of travelling and accommodation unaffordable. We would end up having another expensive NI. Also, because of the event timing, I would not be able to book One hotel for the whole event period (Ithe teams would be scattered in many small batches in hotels around the area). Simply, the whole thing would end up in disaster.

Chris