As a Canadian and an Avid RC jet enthusiast,..... I'm wondering why all the kit manufacturing companies are all manufacturing all of the same jets: ie; F-86, F-16, F-15, F-5., ETC.ETC ETC, ETC< ETC...I can keep going on!!...., It seems that we have many options of the same kit to choose..,,, and some manufacturers offer the same jet in different scales.

Why not the Avro Arrow! Am I assuming that just as a Canadian, that this is a great jet? As A jet modeller would it not make an excellent RC model?? other than the required custom landing gear I think that this would be an excellent RC model!!!

"box"Fuselage and "general style" wings, it would be easy/cheap to manufacture and build??? (other than the retracts)

Am I assuming ? or am missing something??

Regards,

jetsett!

Yup, , , , I'd say your missing something, , ,

Not at a volume perspective, but 5 are being built here in Toronto.

http://www.rccanada.ca/rccforum/showthread.php?t=84216

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWuZtk8uPP0

Hi Mike:
How can we get a kit

Thank you, Dave

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_52...37/key_/tm.htm


Here is my 1/8th DF version i'm working on. This is the grand father Arrow of what's Mike is building presently, he got the original plug of the fuselage and resurrected it and made newer tooling form it to make these 5 new Arrows. Hopefully he will make more but if not then there will 6 Arrows flying in Canada including my one.

(1) I think it doesn't matter whether it's jets or prop-jobs, many of the manufacturers just tend to be wary of creating something 'different', because there often isn't the market for it.

With the jets, that tends to mean F15, F16, F18, F86 etc, just as with the pro-jobs you get a gazillion people doing the P-51.

(2) I also think that whenever the latest Jet_China_X shop starts up, they look at what is already selling well, and they say "We can largely copy that and take part of their market since we already know people want to buy that model and it flies well" ; Having the guts to do a completely different model means (a) extra financial risk ; (b) some market research ; (c) having to do some of your own R&D and (hopefully) test flying, manual creation etc. That puts a lot of companies off either because they don't want to take on htat work / risk at all, or because they are wary that once they take it on someone else will largely copy their model and be able to sell it cheaper due to not having those costs.

So, when you DO find someone doing something a bit different, remember to thank them !

The target was for 5 Arrows, stand-off scale. I've made 3 fuselages already.

7 formers have been developed specifically for turbine.
Templates have been worked out for the fin.
The 11 foot fuselage is comming in at 7 1/2 pounds.
It's 14" wide, and about 8" high at the sides.

Sandro Novelli is the turbine expert fitting it up.
Peter Eicas from Altecare, is putting together the landing gear package using Behotec stuff.

Got a 20" thick block of foam to make up the wings.

I'm starting on figuring out the templates for the wing.
That foam block is rough cut about 2" oversize. Gives you an idea just how big this wing is. About a 60" chord at the fuse.

Hi Dave, , ,
Unless something changes my mind, , , I got plans of cutting up the moulds after the 5 are done.

Gonna have some kind of photo shoot with an acetylene torch in the background.

Any of you guys ever try to bag something this big.
Man, , , ,it's the pits!!

Just to give you guys an idea how big the wing is on this model, here are couple my Arrow's pictures that i'm presently working on.

Btw that's Frank not me in these pictures...

Root chord is 56" and tips are 7.5"
Wingspan is 6 feet 3 inches...
Length is 10.5 feet including the pitot tube not present atm.

I was certain you changed your mind and was going to sell the molds, you offered them to me if i want to buy them short while ago....Why why would you want to cut them up for, as you can't repeat the history truthfully without cutting up the 5 fuselages you are making up now!...

There will be one old technology ducted fan, the one you have, and 5 new technology turbine powered Arrows.

I did these 35 years ago, but I got to retire from these at some point. That's it for me.

Neat airplane, but the challenge will be the long gear hanging from the wing much like a F-105 or a Hunter. What have you worked out as far as the landing gear?

Modernized landing gear is being worked out by another guy.

This one is a piece of crap for our size, but the newer one will be much better with Behotec gear.

Then was then, , , now is now, , ,

I'm not keeping any of the scrap parts either.

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Mike Emilio wrote:
This one is a piece of crap for our size, but the newer one will be much better with Behotec gear. [quote/]

Hey Hey Mikeee, it's no piece of crap or you wouldn't have been holding on to it when i asked it back numerous times to help me build my gear from it. I'd say it has good value to you and the project..he he he

But you said no, that you couldn't afford it.
And you know that I don't wait very long for anything.

Just curious Mike .... if you or one of the other 4 builders significantly damage part of your aircraft at some point - wouldn't you want the molds to still be available so that you could pull a replacement (partial, even) part ?

I realize that an 11+ ft mold could be quite awkward to find storage space for, but it just seems sad to see the results of so much work get cut up. []

Still, it's your efforts, your choice.

When do you guys expect to have these flying ?

Gordon

Yes, , , good point, I thought about that.
But really, , , , it's not enough to change my mind.
I have other projects that I want to move on with, so something has to come to an end.

As the original Arrow's were rare, so will be these last five turbine versions. At least until FlyEagle jumps on it, , [sm=lol.gif]

One is currently being framed up.

Hoping to have something in the air this season still.

No there was no price discussion about it, you offered and i refused as i have other projects in mind to do of my own ie: S Connie molds and 2 other aircraft after that. I had good idea what you may want for them though , , ,[>:]
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Gordon,

I mentioned him same things and more as you are thinking but his answer was same then as it is now, true it's him money and work and he can do whatever but once the moulds are cut up, those 5 Arrows are in God mercy!, if one of them or all got damaged over any time of there life, no replacement of parts would be avil to them.

Not to worry Sammy.

Think about it in a possitive way.

Since you'll have so much experience fixing up the old ducted fan one, maybe you can offer to help out those that have an accident.


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Got to go off-line for a few hours now.
Tonight I have to write up the co-ordinates for the negative camber wing.

I'm and i'm not too worried Mike, juss the thought of going through all this work and time invested in this new tooling and then cutting it up tooling when more can be made from it just mind boggles to most that's all.

As for helping others, i'm always up for it where ever i can provide it, i do to help but when the tooling is gone then how can they get parts for these fuselages especially around both intakes area unless they want to follow my path, they are welcome to it.

As for old ducted fan one, well it's the grand father Arrow if it wasen't made back then, i'd bet these newer ones wouldn't be in works now. Otherthing is that if Farnk didn't had offered to sell this one, then again your project wouldn't had started either, so i guess it's safe to say this "Old ducted fan Arrow" is the nucleus that started it all recently once again...he he

Do you really need to go in that depth Mike on model Arrows, i bet it's more work then needed as models will fly great without it...but it's up to you once again.

I'll be making notches on my Arrow's wing very soon.

To the original poster.

Why don't you build your own. It's much more fun that way. That's what my Dad and I did. The plane has well over 100 flights. It is waaaaaaaayyyy stand off scale, but it's still an Arrow.

JetCrazyCanada

JetCrazyCanada,

Is that an old Bob Parkinson kit or from Mark Diamonte plans? Looks straightforward and simple.

I have a Bob Parkinson 40 size pusher jet. It was always a hoot to fly. Takeoffs could be hairy with the prop in the tail. but it sure flies more let like that way. Too bad they are no longer kitted.

DW_Crash

JETSET ; I believe you can still buy a .90 size ducted fan ARROW kit from Bob Parkinson.


Too bad we could not get kits of the AVRO CANADA CF-100 ( First production straight wing jet fighter to break the speed of sound)

and the AVRO CANADA JETLINER ( 1949 -Worlds first midrange jetliner and FIRST jetliner to fly in North America; and FIRST to fly

airmail by jetliner from Toronto, Ontario ,CANADA TO New York City , New York, USA )

Also the Jetliner was the world's first jetliner to fly a complete curcuit. ( the Comet lifted off and then set down on the same runway)

The AVRO CANADA Jetliner eventually resurfaced as the Boing 737 !