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07-16-2010 | 04:57 PM
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So you just joined RCU and this is your first post??? What is your modeling experience? It looks like you're trying to be an alarmist and don't have much knowledge of model jets.
There is no evidence that the RC jet fire in that video had anything to do with static discharge. It is not as big a concern as on full sized aircraft. There have been some ECU problems blamed on static electricity, but I have never heard of anyone blaming a model fire on static electricity.
There is no evidence that the RC jet fire in that video had anything to do with static discharge. It is not as big a concern as on full sized aircraft. There have been some ECU problems blamed on static electricity, but I have never heard of anyone blaming a model fire on static electricity.
07-16-2010 | 05:01 PM
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So you just joined RCU and this is your first post??? What is your modeling experience? It looks like you're trying to be an alarmist and don't have much knowledge of model jets.
There is no evidence that the RC jet fire in that video had anything to do with static discharge. It is not as big a concern as on full sized aircraft. There have been some ECU problems blamed on static electricity, but I have never heard of anyone blaming a model fire on static electricity.
So you just joined RCU and this is your first post??? What is your modeling experience? It looks like you're trying to be an alarmist and don't have much knowledge of model jets.
There is no evidence that the RC jet fire in that video had anything to do with static discharge. It is not as big a concern as on full sized aircraft. There have been some ECU problems blamed on static electricity, but I have never heard of anyone blaming a model fire on static electricity.
07-16-2010 | 05:46 PM
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The video is almost a year old and has made the rounds on RCu a few times. Not sure where you are coming from (or trying to go) with this. I would have to put the total number of spontaneous combustion occurrences from touching jets at negative one (-1). I have actually seen -1 of them.
Now for some advice people CAN use. Do NOT use your jets at a BBQ. No matter how good the carne asada from Dougy is, it is NOT worth lighting your jet on fire to cook it!
well, maybe just a wing or something
Chad
Now for some advice people CAN use. Do NOT use your jets at a BBQ. No matter how good the carne asada from Dougy is, it is NOT worth lighting your jet on fire to cook it!
well, maybe just a wing or something
Chad
07-16-2010 | 06:07 PM
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Dixty: I suppose ur heart is in the right place, that u mean well, and u just want to make a meaningful contribution to the hobby. Good on ya for all of that.
It's a shame to see u attacked for trying to help.
But... surely, if this were a valid issue then we'd also be hearing about it from the gasser guys because gasoline vapors are so much more volitile. Or the tons of very, VERY experienced folks in the jet side of the hooby would have stumbled across and recognised it before now. Many of these folks have extensive aviation backgrounds and the concept of static discharges is not a new one to them.
And I can't remember anyone ever mentioning being "electroshocked" by a model of any type.
Never say never...but this threat just doesn't seem to be a "thing", ya know? Thanks for trying tho.........
It's a shame to see u attacked for trying to help.
But... surely, if this were a valid issue then we'd also be hearing about it from the gasser guys because gasoline vapors are so much more volitile. Or the tons of very, VERY experienced folks in the jet side of the hooby would have stumbled across and recognised it before now. Many of these folks have extensive aviation backgrounds and the concept of static discharges is not a new one to them.
And I can't remember anyone ever mentioning being "electroshocked" by a model of any type.
Never say never...but this threat just doesn't seem to be a "thing", ya know? Thanks for trying tho.........
07-16-2010 | 06:11 PM
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ORIGINAL: E.N.T.
In seconds 218-223, you can see clearly a FIRE EXTINGUISHER under the table.
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In seconds 218-223, you can see clearly a FIRE EXTINGUISHER under the table.
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.... Give me a break !!!!!!Danno
07-16-2010 | 06:51 PM
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Over 1500 flights of non grounded jets at KY jets. Not one fire caused from static. This is bunk. I've never once heard of a jet catching on fire from not being grounded.
07-16-2010 | 07:08 PM
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Yea, and just like [link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlCLuIwuVgQ]Eminem[/link] says, [link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rhPux0EIPA]"I'm not afraid"[/link] of any of my jets catching fire, because they're always grounded anyway, especially when I'm not flying them!
Now on a more serious note, I have always seen a grounding wire connected to real planes when fueling/defueling, but what do I know, I just stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Now on a more serious note, I have always seen a grounding wire connected to real planes when fueling/defueling, but what do I know, I just stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
07-16-2010 | 07:20 PM
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Now on a more serious note, I have always seen a grounding wire connected to real planes when fueling/defueling, but what do I know, I just stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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07-16-2010 | 07:28 PM
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The difference is that with our models we do not pump enough volume of fuel at high enough velocity to build up a significant static charge.
The difference is that with our models we do not pump enough volume of fuel at high enough velocity to build up a significant static charge.
Awww man, see that? [
] All this time I've been waiting for Tamiya to come out with that big fuel truck with the six wheels on each side that holds 5 gals of Jet A so I can get some realism points with a miniature static grounding wire! 
07-16-2010 | 07:30 PM
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Ok... tell me this.
How are you going to electrically "Ground" an airplane when about 90% of them are made from foam, fiberglass, and balsa wood. The only things that conduct electricity anywhere "decent" (besides the electrical stuff and metal parts) is the carbon fiber in the airframes. But those are not really oriented to build a "common" ground plane that connects each piece of carbon to the next.
Most of the tanks are mounted to Wood structures.. last i checked wood SUCKS at transmitting electricity. Rubber/ tygon/ poly tubing isn't exactly the greatest either at transmitting electricity either, which is what most of us use for fuel and air lines..
Good intentions are probably intended, but its not just as simple as putting an alligator clip to the airframe with a copper wire going to a ground "stake" in the ground. Not to mention in the full-scale world, grounding of the airplanes during refueling is done b/c they are pumping fuel into the tanks a hell of alot quicker than we are, so they have a higher chance in building a large electro-static charge.
How are you going to electrically "Ground" an airplane when about 90% of them are made from foam, fiberglass, and balsa wood. The only things that conduct electricity anywhere "decent" (besides the electrical stuff and metal parts) is the carbon fiber in the airframes. But those are not really oriented to build a "common" ground plane that connects each piece of carbon to the next.
Most of the tanks are mounted to Wood structures.. last i checked wood SUCKS at transmitting electricity. Rubber/ tygon/ poly tubing isn't exactly the greatest either at transmitting electricity either, which is what most of us use for fuel and air lines..
Good intentions are probably intended, but its not just as simple as putting an alligator clip to the airframe with a copper wire going to a ground "stake" in the ground. Not to mention in the full-scale world, grounding of the airplanes during refueling is done b/c they are pumping fuel into the tanks a hell of alot quicker than we are, so they have a higher chance in building a large electro-static charge.
07-16-2010 | 07:40 PM
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Ok... tell me this.
How are you going to electrically ''Ground'' an airplane when about 90% of them are made from foam, fiberglass, and balsa wood. The only things that conduct electricity anywhere ''decent'' (besides the electrical stuff and metal parts) is the carbon fiber in the airframes. But those are not really oriented to build a ''common'' ground plane that connects each piece of carbon to the next.
Most of the tanks are mounted to Wood structures.. last i checked wood SUCKS at transmitting electricity. Rubber/ tygon/ poly tubing isn't exactly the greatest either at transmitting electricity either, which is what most of us use for fuel and air lines..
Good intentions are probably intended, but its not just as simple as putting an alligator clip to the airframe with a copper wire going to a ground ''stake'' in the ground. Not to mention in the full-scale world, grounding of the airplanes during refueling is done b/c they are pumping fuel into the tanks a hell of alot quicker than we are, so they have a higher chance in building a large electro-static charge.
Ok... tell me this.
How are you going to electrically ''Ground'' an airplane when about 90% of them are made from foam, fiberglass, and balsa wood. The only things that conduct electricity anywhere ''decent'' (besides the electrical stuff and metal parts) is the carbon fiber in the airframes. But those are not really oriented to build a ''common'' ground plane that connects each piece of carbon to the next.
Most of the tanks are mounted to Wood structures.. last i checked wood SUCKS at transmitting electricity. Rubber/ tygon/ poly tubing isn't exactly the greatest either at transmitting electricity either, which is what most of us use for fuel and air lines..
Good intentions are probably intended, but its not just as simple as putting an alligator clip to the airframe with a copper wire going to a ground ''stake'' in the ground. Not to mention in the full-scale world, grounding of the airplanes during refueling is done b/c they are pumping fuel into the tanks a hell of alot quicker than we are, so they have a higher chance in building a large electro-static charge.
Like I said, when it comes to me and jets, it's [link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH8FZusjY94]Holiday Inn Express.[/link]
I agree with everything you guys are saying, otherwise I'd go [link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA-oyrO9Lpk&feature=related]ask a pilot[/link], and of course, more than likely get the same answer over and over again.
07-16-2010 | 07:56 PM
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what really gets me is that in the video, the guy behind the camera focuses on the fire extingusher at 1.00 minute. Why did he say anything to the guys about that extingusher...... THEN look at 1:10, one of the guys brings over the fuel jug and attempts to defuel while the jet is burning.....................
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