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07-16-2010 | 08:08 PM
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RE: delete
ORIGINAL: Dixty
Hello
Ground the jets before touching them! =)
When a jet is flying, it's hitting air molecules... it's rubbing against the air in other words.
When you fuel a jet, fuel is rubbing against tubes.
The turbine sucks fuel from the tanks, again the fuel is rubbing against tubes.
<a href=''http://www.experimentalaircraft.info/homebuilt-aircraft/aircraft-refueling-1.php''>http://www.experimentalaircraft.info...efueling-1.php
</a>http://www.forensicexp-vojvodina.org...lectricity.pdf<br type=''_moz'' />
For safety purposes, make sure you ground the jet and all the parts that can charge with static electricity (be it positive or negative), <u>before</u> touching it, well you dont have to touch the jet to make some sparks, just go close enough.
Also make sure you are grounded!
http://www.wikihow.com/Remove-Static-Electricity (point 7 is interesting)
Static electricity can set the jet on fire, the tank can explode, you can get electroshocked, burned, killed.
No one knows how it happened... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAVMJBLy-UU
P.S. this thread should get sticked...
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Hello
Ground the jets before touching them! =)
When a jet is flying, it's hitting air molecules... it's rubbing against the air in other words.
When you fuel a jet, fuel is rubbing against tubes.
The turbine sucks fuel from the tanks, again the fuel is rubbing against tubes.
<a href=''http://www.experimentalaircraft.info/homebuilt-aircraft/aircraft-refueling-1.php''>http://www.experimentalaircraft.info...efueling-1.php
</a>http://www.forensicexp-vojvodina.org...lectricity.pdf<br type=''_moz'' />
It is reasonable to assume that an aircraft can acquire a charge of one million Volt or more, which it shares with the passengers inside the aircraft. [1]
Also make sure you are grounded!
http://www.wikihow.com/Remove-Static-Electricity (point 7 is interesting)
Static electricity can set the jet on fire, the tank can explode, you can get electroshocked, burned, killed.
No one knows how it happened... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAVMJBLy-UU
P.S. this thread should get sticked...
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07-16-2010 | 08:12 PM
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ORIGINAL: trioval00
what really gets me is that in the video, the guy behind the camera focuses on the fire extingusher at 1.00 minute. Why did he say anything to the guys about that extingusher...... THEN look at 1:10, one of the guys brings over the fuel jug and attempts to defuel while the jet is burning.....................
Mark
what really gets me is that in the video, the guy behind the camera focuses on the fire extingusher at 1.00 minute. Why did he say anything to the guys about that extingusher...... THEN look at 1:10, one of the guys brings over the fuel jug and attempts to defuel while the jet is burning.....................
Mark
Seen this happen many times over the years. Sometimes guys wouldn't even bring the fire extinguisher from their car or to the field at all. I would always make sure to go get mine or walk over and stand by holding it when I would see this sort of thing developing.
Bottom line, and biggest lesson from this video, ALWAYS have a fire extinquisher within arms reach of a starting jet and be ready to use it. Of course, many of us already know this, but unfortunately, there's a few who don't or haven't had the unfortunate happen to them yet.
Stay Smart.
Bryce
07-16-2010 | 08:23 PM
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Everyone in that video should have gotten a Darwin award. The only thing that could have made that video better is if the guy shooting it zoomed in nicely on the extinguisher and then turned the camera around so I could see the look on his face. Unbelievable!!!![:'(][:'(][:'(]
07-16-2010 | 08:31 PM
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ORIGINAL: ianober
Everyone in that video should have gotten a Darwin award. The only thing that could have made that video better is if the guy shooting it zoomed in nicely on the extinguisher and then turned the camera around so I could see the look on his face. Unbelievable!!!![:'(][:'(][:'(]
Everyone in that video should have gotten a Darwin award. The only thing that could have made that video better is if the guy shooting it zoomed in nicely on the extinguisher and then turned the camera around so I could see the look on his face. Unbelievable!!!![:'(][:'(][:'(]
I know man, sure sign of a Maverick. Hopefully, someone may learn what not to do from this video and it may help to save a jet in the future.
07-16-2010 | 09:52 PM
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ORIGINAL: Nightwalker
I know man, sure sign of a Maverick. Hopefully, someone may learn what not to do from this video and it may help to save a jet in the future.
ORIGINAL: ianober
Everyone in that video should have gotten a Darwin award. The only thing that could have made that video better is if the guy shooting it zoomed in nicely on the extinguisher and then turned the camera around so I could see the look on his face. Unbelievable!!!![:'(][:'(][:'(]
Everyone in that video should have gotten a Darwin award. The only thing that could have made that video better is if the guy shooting it zoomed in nicely on the extinguisher and then turned the camera around so I could see the look on his face. Unbelievable!!!![:'(][:'(][:'(]
I know man, sure sign of a Maverick. Hopefully, someone may learn what not to do from this video and it may help to save a jet in the future.
HI, This vid had a thread about a year ago that went a few pages, and it was stated by
someone that was there that the fire ext. was empty from another fire. I can't see the
guage but I did notice the hose is not stowed. Jets do make the best crashes and fires!
cheers Tim
07-16-2010 | 10:06 PM
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RE: delete
ORIGINAL: TimT2000
HI, This vid had a thread about a year ago that went a few pages, and it was stated by
someone that was there that the fire ext. was empty from another fire. I can't see the
guage but I did notice the hose is not stowed. Jets do make the best crashes and fires!
HI, This vid had a thread about a year ago that went a few pages, and it was stated by
someone that was there that the fire ext. was empty from another fire. I can't see the
guage but I did notice the hose is not stowed. Jets do make the best crashes and fires!
ORIGINAL: TimT2000
Jets do make the best crashes and fires!
Jets do make the best crashes and fires!
Best Wishes
Bryce
07-16-2010 | 10:41 PM
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RE: delete
ORIGINAL: Nightwalker
If there is not a sufficiently charged and operable fire extinguisher on hand (and within an arms distance) when attempting to start a jet, then don't start the jet.
Well Sir, I'll have to respectfully disagree with you there. That honor goes to the [link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU478UvcF6I]Jet Firetruck[/link] and motorhome, after it's been crashed.
Best Wishes
Bryce
ORIGINAL: TimT2000
HI, This vid had a thread about a year ago that went a few pages, and it was stated by
someone that was there that the fire ext. was empty from another fire. I can't see the
guage but I did notice the hose is not stowed. Jets do make the best crashes and fires!
HI, This vid had a thread about a year ago that went a few pages, and it was stated by
someone that was there that the fire ext. was empty from another fire. I can't see the
guage but I did notice the hose is not stowed. Jets do make the best crashes and fires!
ORIGINAL: TimT2000
Jets do make the best crashes and fires!
Jets do make the best crashes and fires!
Best Wishes
Bryce
I must agree,, that was way better!! Cheers Tim
07-16-2010 | 10:48 PM
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ORIGINAL: invertmast
If this happened in the ''states'' then i believe the waiver holder is a perfect candidate for a waiver removal
If this happened in the ''states'' then i believe the waiver holder is a perfect candidate for a waiver removal
Looking at article 24 and 25 of AMA 510-a, it describes the suspension process and that repeated suspensions may result in removal of the waiver. (Incidentally, you can still fly a turbine when your waiver is suspended and you don't even have to be on a buddy box you just need a to be under the supervision of an experienced turbine pilot).
So it would appear that if you do something mind-bogglingly stupid, you could get suspended but not have your turbine waiver removed since there was only one suspension.
Wild
Regards,
Jim
07-16-2010 | 11:59 PM
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RE: delete
Hello
Ground the jets before touching them! =)
When a jet is flying, it's hitting air molecules... it's rubbing against the air in other words.
When you fuel a jet, fuel is rubbing against tubes.
The turbine sucks fuel from the tanks, again the fuel is rubbing against tubes.
http://www.experimentalaircraft.info...efueling-1.php
http://www.forensicexp-vojvodina.org...lectricity.pdf
quote:
It is reasonable to assume that an aircraft can acquire a charge of one million Volt or more, which it shares with the passengers inside the aircraft. [1]
For safety purposes, make sure you ground the jet and all the parts that can charge with static electricity (be it positive or negative), before touching it, well you dont have to touch the jet to make some sparks, just go close enough.
Also make sure you are grounded!
http://www.wikihow.com/Remove-Static-Electricity (point 7 is interesting)
Static electricity can set the jet on fire, the tank can explode, you can get electroshocked, burned, killed.
No one knows how it happened... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAVMJBLy-UU
P.S. this thread should get sticked...
Read more: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_98...#ixzz0tud2Dtyl
Ground the jets before touching them! =)
When a jet is flying, it's hitting air molecules... it's rubbing against the air in other words.
When you fuel a jet, fuel is rubbing against tubes.
The turbine sucks fuel from the tanks, again the fuel is rubbing against tubes.
http://www.experimentalaircraft.info...efueling-1.php
http://www.forensicexp-vojvodina.org...lectricity.pdf
quote:
It is reasonable to assume that an aircraft can acquire a charge of one million Volt or more, which it shares with the passengers inside the aircraft. [1]
For safety purposes, make sure you ground the jet and all the parts that can charge with static electricity (be it positive or negative), before touching it, well you dont have to touch the jet to make some sparks, just go close enough.
Also make sure you are grounded!
http://www.wikihow.com/Remove-Static-Electricity (point 7 is interesting)
Static electricity can set the jet on fire, the tank can explode, you can get electroshocked, burned, killed.
No one knows how it happened... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAVMJBLy-UU
P.S. this thread should get sticked...
Read more: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_98...#ixzz0tud2Dtyl
Our jets cannot accumulate enough static electricity to trigger a fire. Mostly because they are made or electrically inert material. I think that the author of this thread is mixing up real aviation ( aluminium planes ) with hobby ( wood, fiber, foam planes )...
The only problem with static electricity in very specific cases ( very dry and dusty environment ) is the ECU watchdog triggering that might result in a flameout.
07-17-2010 | 04:32 AM
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Yheaa...removsal is kinda harsh.. I'm sure the owner has changed the way he does things now to save himself the damage to the wallet... atleast I would hope so. I guess it could happen to anyone, especially if the extinguisher truly didn't work like the one poster said it didn't....
ORIGINAL: rcjets_63
Is there a waiver REMOVAL process for a single incident???? (and I ask that as a serious question).
Looking at article 24 and 25 of AMA 510-a, it describes the suspension process and that repeated suspensions may result in removal of the waiver. (Incidentally, you can still fly a turbine when your waiver is suspended and you don't even have to be on a buddy box you just need a to be under the supervision of an experienced turbine pilot).
So it would appear that if you do something mind-bogglingly stupid, you could get suspended but not have your turbine waiver removed since there was only one suspension.
Wild
Regards,
Jim
ORIGINAL: invertmast
If this happened in the ''states'' then i believe the waiver holder is a perfect candidate for a waiver removal
If this happened in the ''states'' then i believe the waiver holder is a perfect candidate for a waiver removal
Looking at article 24 and 25 of AMA 510-a, it describes the suspension process and that repeated suspensions may result in removal of the waiver. (Incidentally, you can still fly a turbine when your waiver is suspended and you don't even have to be on a buddy box you just need a to be under the supervision of an experienced turbine pilot).
So it would appear that if you do something mind-bogglingly stupid, you could get suspended but not have your turbine waiver removed since there was only one suspension.
Wild
Regards,
Jim
07-17-2010 | 03:24 PM
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RE: delete
ORIGINAL: invertmast
I guess it could happen to anyone, especially if the extinguisher truly didn't work like the one poster said it didn't....
I guess it could happen to anyone, especially if the extinguisher truly didn't work like the one poster said it didn't....
1) if the jet went on fire and the pilot grabbed that extinguisher to try to use it, surely the extinguisher would by lying somewhere near the aircraft, where it was discarded rather than being put neatly back under a bench several feet away.
2) if the extinguisher was PREVIOUSLY found to be inoperative, why was a new start subsequently done in the full knowledge that the only available extinguisher was useless ?
Sorry, but for me this does not seem to add up.
Gordon
07-29-2010 | 01:40 PM
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ORIGINAL: DelGatoGrande
?how i can ground the d@m thing with out touching it?
ORIGINAL: Dixty
.. make sure you ground the jet <u>before</u> touching it....
.. make sure you ground the jet <u>before</u> touching it....
?how i can ground the d@m thing with out touching it?
DelgatoGrande is the only one that needs cool water in her atitude!
