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ORIGINAL: UH60 Crewdog BUT, From ground level to 500ft AGL in class G airspace is a non flight area. People like this definately gets what they deserve, hopefully the owner of the KC gets some retribution and $$$ to replace the plane. |
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ORIGINAL: Rat1 ORIGINAL: GSR Do NOT feed the Rat, er , I mean Troll. Scotty I have been around here for awhile and I do fly RC myself. But after reading some of the stuff about this incident and that some of the flyers were actually over his property other times and that it seems that they refuse to listen to the landowners request to not fly over his fields then, Given the same, I would be out there with a big gun blasting away at anything that flew over my property. The farmer does have a legitamit gripe about possible fire damage from some of these RC aircraft. Especially if it is a dry year were the fire hazard is high. Especially corn. Corn has taken some huge jumps in value over the last year or so. Was or is it not possible to fly the Rc airplanes without going over his property? No more feeding the troll for me... |
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ORIGINAL: cactusflyer One E-flite 80" scale Piper Pawnee.................$199.99 One Tamjets Smoke system that can be easily modified to pump "other stuff"........$219.95 One gallon of concentrated Roundup™...............$102.48 The lasting effects to some A-hole's cash crop while he is in jail..............PRICELESS > :D:D:D:D:D:D John Maddog |
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ORIGINAL: u2fast gerry, shooting thieves in any body part in texas is legal. i suppose if the home that was broke into had a sick child stay home that day when the thieves broke in would have changed things. it is what it is, texans are sick of and dont put up with it. as for the farmer, he has been a bitter man for many many years. i generally steered clear of this field because of this guy. every time i flew there i would see him. he would just sit in that truck. i guess he didnt have a life. barry As I said things are different in different places. In Philadelphia (called the city of brotherly love, maybe long time there were two brothers that really loved each other) they have a serious problems wit guns (hanguns). They average 400 plus people shot to death yearly, and many are minors, bystanders, etc...) If the farmer's incident would have happened here, he would be in big, big trouble to explain why he tried (an succeded) to destroy the model airplane. This guy obviously has no life. Unfortunately many people do not see model aviation with kind eyes. As a matter of fact, general aviation is having the same problem. About 20 years ago, at our old field a friend crashed trough the farmer's barn roof. It was a pattern plane, old style, heavy like a brick. It was the farmer that rented us the field. He was OK with the hole, not even upset (it was a old barn). Apparently at the time he was negotiating the sale of the farm. 2 years later we were moved out (cicked out), and they started building hundered of condos in this guy's farm (and our ex-field).:-( Hope all is well in Texas after the storm Gerry |
RE: Jet Shot Down by Farmer
ORIGINAL: Rat1 ORIGINAL: GSR Do NOT feed the Rat, er , I mean Troll. Scotty I have been around here for awhile and I do fly RC myself. But after reading some of the stuff about this incident and that some of the flyers were actually over his property other times and that it seems that they refuse to listen to the landowners request to not fly over his fields then, Given the same, I would be out there with a big gun blasting away at anything that flew over my property. The farmer does have a legitamit gripe about possible fire damage from some of these RC aircraft. Especially if it is a dry year were the fire hazard is high. Especially corn. Corn has taken some huge jumps in value over the last year or so. Was or is it not possible to fly the Rc airplanes without going over his property? |
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Anyone that bothered to look at the picture of the field should realize that it is a sticky predicament for all. It appears the best solution has been reached by moving the field.
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You own the land, you don't own the airspace above. It's just like mineral rights below for most property.
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What if a hot air ballon floated over this guys property? Would he have the right to shoot at it?? NO!
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ORIGINAL: GerKonig ORIGINAL: u2fast gerry, shooting thieves in any body part in texas is legal. i suppose if the home that was broke into had a sick child stay home that day when the thieves broke in would have changed things. it is what it is, texans are sick of and dont put up with it. as for the farmer, he has been a bitter man for many many years. i generally steered clear of this field because of this guy. every time i flew there i would see him. he would just sit in that truck. i guess he didnt have a life. barry As I said things are different in different places. In Philadelphia (called the city of brotherly love, maybe long time there were two brothers that really loved each other) they have a serious problems wit guns (hanguns). They average 400 plus people shot to death yearly, and many are minors, bystanders, etc...) If the farmer's incident would have happened here, he would be in big, big trouble to explain why he tried (an succeded) to destroy the model airplane. This guy obviously has no life. Unfortunately many people do not see model aviation with kind eyes. As a matter of fact, general aviation is having the same problem. About 20 years ago, at our old field a friend crashed trough the farmer's barn roof. It was a pattern plane, old style, heavy like a brick. It was the farmer that rented us the field. He was OK with the hole, not even upset (it was a old barn). Apparently at the time he was negotiating the sale of the farm. 2 years later we were moved out (cicked out), and they started building hundered of condos in this guy's farm (and our ex-field).:-( Hope all is well in Texas after the storm Gerry [Things are different over here. You have to be in inminent and clear danger of bodily harm to be able to shoot someone. Obviously, people that are giving you their back are not attacking:-) ] Many times in a gun fight the criminal turns his or her back to gain an advantage behind cover to continue fire without being hit. It is highly possible someone in a gun fight can stop shooting when someone turns their back which allows them to find cover and in turn be killed by the criminal. I would not ever suppose someone turning their back to you means you are now safe. Don |
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[/quote] Things are different over here. You have to be in inminent and clear danger of bodily harm to be able to shoot someone. Obviously, people that are giving you their back are not attacking:-) Besides, this guy called 911 and when told to stay inside (he saw the burglars) he said he is going to kill the guys which, here, in a court of law, shows intent:-) [/quote] Gerry, The 911 people are not the police. 911 has no authority over you. All they do is dispatch. I believe the man demanded that those criminals stop and they didn't. I personally would never shoot anyone in the back intentionally. I am sure that the shooter will have to deal with a whole ton of crap including dealing with the dead guys family and friends. This is the cost of taking someones life and he will have to live with that the rest of his life. I think he could have handled it better no doubt. But these stinkin criminals need to understand that you can die if you commit these crimes. Better know your state laws before trying to steal someones stuff. |
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ORIGINAL: Rat1 ORIGINAL: GSR Do NOT feed the Rat, er , I mean Troll. Scotty I have been around here for awhile and I do fly RC myself..(snip)...Given the same, I would be out there with a big gun blasting away at anything that flew over my property.... Was or is it not possible to fly the Rc airplanes without going over his property? Not quite a troll, but not really a part of the RC community...take a look at Rat's posts and you'll get a feel for where his head/heart is at. As one RCU'er posted about him in another thread: "No, you don't count in the R C Aircraft community because you have distanced yourself from it. You are a self imposed outcast. No one else has said that you don't belong. Only you have made that statement a self-fullfilling prophecy". Obviously Rat has little clue as to the fire risk that most RC models pose (excepting turbines - but then the nutjob involved here shot at ALL models). The foamies and RC trucks that Rat flies likely use LiPos, which pose far more of a fire hazard than most RC models typically flown at club fields. And he admittedly flies far out in the boonies, where airspace is not a problem - as he says, "Never been kicked out of a park ever. One of the great things about North Dakota. Very few people and alot of wide open space to play over ". Oh, that we were all so fortunate. On the other hand, he appears to be a farmer, or something close to it, so it is easy(ier) to understand his reply above. But no one has a right to take matters in his own hands using a shotgun (or slingshot for that matter). Barry |
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ORIGINAL: Synthetic ORIGINAL: GerKonig ORIGINAL: u2fast gerry, shooting thieves in any body part in texas is legal. i suppose if the home that was broke into had a sick child stay home that day when the thieves broke in would have changed things. it is what it is, texans are sick of and dont put up with it. as for the farmer, he has been a bitter man for many many years. i generally steered clear of this field because of this guy. every time i flew there i would see him. he would just sit in that truck. i guess he didnt have a life. barry As I said things are different in different places. In Philadelphia (called the city of brotherly love, maybe long time there were two brothers that really loved each other) they have a serious problems wit guns (hanguns). They average 400 plus people shot to death yearly, and many are minors, bystanders, etc...) If the farmer's incident would have happened here, he would be in big, big trouble to explain why he tried (an succeded) to destroy the model airplane. This guy obviously has no life. Unfortunately many people do not see model aviation with kind eyes. As a matter of fact, general aviation is having the same problem. About 20 years ago, at our old field a friend crashed trough the farmer's barn roof. It was a pattern plane, old style, heavy like a brick. It was the farmer that rented us the field. He was OK with the hole, not even upset (it was a old barn). Apparently at the time he was negotiating the sale of the farm. 2 years later we were moved out (cicked out), and they started building hundered of condos in this guy's farm (and our ex-field).:-( Hope all is well in Texas after the storm Gerry [Things are different over here. You have to be in inminent and clear danger of bodily harm to be able to shoot someone. Obviously, people that are giving you their back are not attacking:-) ] Many times in a gun fight the criminal turns his or her back to gain an advantage behind cover to continue fire without being hit. It is highly possible someone in a gun fight can stop shooting when someone turns their back which allows them to find cover and in turn be killed by the criminal. I would not ever suppose someone turning their back to you means you are now safe. Don I see your point. I was thinking of shooting someone that is not carrying a gun... Like in unarmed. Here al least your defense changes a lot if the other party was also armed w/a gun. Gerry |
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Gerry,
I understand what you are saying and I agree no one should shoot someone in the back (or the front) that is not intending on doing them harm. However, who knows how many times a criminal is faced and they do not display a weapon until the victim puts theirs down or they turn away from the victim and then pull a hidden gun only to face them again and kill the victim. As a long time law enforcement officer once told me, "Things aren't always as they seem"... Very true. Take Care, Don |
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Hey Rat,
Shoot my Kingcat down and I'll press charges as well. We'll get your mug shot posted here as well. If I was a visiting pilot and was unaware of that rule, and you shot my property down when I CLEARLY am doing NO harm to yours? I think any reasonable judge would see that you shooting my $12,000 toy airplane as a bit out of line. I'd do everything I can to make sure you had some unpleasant sequalae to your very country bumpkin actions. Raf |
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ORIGINAL: DavidR ORIGINAL: cactusflyer One E-flite 80" scale Piper Pawnee.................$199.99 One Tamjets Smoke system that can be easily modified to pump "other stuff"........$219.95 One gallon of concentrated Roundup™...............$102.48 The lasting effects to some A-hole's cash crop while he is in jail..............PRICELESS :D:D:D:D:D:D John DR David, You come out of hiding and this is all you got!!!:) I remember the day when you would advocate lynching anyone who put MONOKOTE on a BobCat! We're talking about a guy who shot a BVM KingCat out of the air! ....Oh, wait a minute......I guess that means another KingCat sale to replace it with a new one.....I get it now. To anyone else "concerned" , IT WAS A PARODY for chrissakes! According to the WIKI boys: A parody (pronounced [ˈpɛɹədiː]), in contemporary usage, is a work created to mock, comment on, or poke fun at an original work, its subject, or author, by means of humorous or satiric imitation. As the literary theorist Linda Hutcheon (2000: 7) puts it, "parody … is , not always at the expense of the parodied text." Another critic, Simon Dentith (2000: 9), defines parody as "any cultural practice which provides a relatively polemical allusive imitation of another cultural production or practice." Parody may be found in art or culture, including literature, music, and cinema. Parodies are colloquially referred to as spoofs or lampoon I do not advocate, encuarage or agree with anyone destroying any property or holdings of any a-holes from Texas.............;) Tailwinds, John |
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There you again John stirring up trouble with your ideas...actually i thought it was a cool idea and much more "humane" than i had in mind.
V.. :) |
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ORIGINAL: cactusflyer I do not advocate, encuarage or agree with anyone destroying any property or holdings of any a-holes from Texas.............;) |
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And Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooing!!!! :D Get Em Raf!!!!!:D |
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Silence.......I keel you
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I have the REAL scoop. The farmer is Yeahbaby's daddy.
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Well since this is Texas were are talking about, aren't lynchings still legal there,,, and if they are,,, those RC Boys should round up the horses, torches, and ropes and go after this A-hole Farmer.
Just my 2 cents. Gene |
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I think Gene's on to something here! [X(]
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ORIGINAL: cactusflyer One E-flite 80" scale Piper Pawnee.................$199.99 One Tamjets Smoke system that can be easily modified to pump "other stuff"........$219.95 One gallon of concentrated Roundup™...............$102.48 The lasting effects to some A-hole's cash crop while he is in jail..............PRICELESS :D:D:D:D:D:D John WWJD? time for another tub of popcorn............... |
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Yeeeeee-uuppp
ORIGINAL: Synthetic I think Gene's on to something here! [X(] |
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