rcjetsdirect A10
 

On a thread a short time ago, mention was made of a small EDF A10 by rcjetsdirect that might be suitable for MW44s.

Lowell Wexler very quickly replied to my query and promised to send me some more info when it is available. In the mean time, I have been looking for some photos of it and I believe it was flown at the Desert Jet Storm at Speedworld.

Does anyone have any pics of it from that event or any other pics?

Does anyone know if there is a rcjetsdirect website?

Thanks

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Siclick33,

I am sorry for not getting the info to you....I forwarded it for you to get and thought it was handled. The plane did fly at Speedworld and they have pictures on their website. If you email me at: [email protected] I will forward the shots. The plane flys great and we should have the first couple of kits available at Calif. Jets.
The specs are:
1:9.5 scale
W/S: 72"
L: 65"
ELECTRIC: 2x 100MM-120MM
TURBINE:2X WREN 44'S OR SIMALAR

Needed to complete:
2 fans/motors or turbines
radio equipment
2x speed controls
retracts (standard Robart)
wheels and brakes

I will get a video as soon as I can but I do have pics in the air I will try to convert and post here. In the mean time, go to the Speedworld site and you will see it there.
You can call me @ (760)214-7116
or John @ RC Jet's Direct shop @ (858)277-4531
Thanks again.

RE: rcjetsdirect A10
 

Thanks,

I think I have found some pictures (I was looking in the wrong place). Is this the one? Am I ok to copy the pictures here?

Are there any plans for a pylon/ordnance kit? This model really needs to be 'dirty'.

I take it that it has only flown EDF? I was just wondering how the tailplane/fins would fair with turbine power.

It does look good though:D Will send an email shortly.

RE: rcjetsdirect A10
 

Thanks for getting the pics up. We do have full ord. for it. This was our proto plane and really just wanted to get the "bugs" out before we started production. We have the cannon in the nose and all the rails as well. We haven't flown the turbine version yet, but we really don't anticipate any strength issues.
Thanks again,
Lowell

RE: rcjetsdirect A10
 

Here is some more info on this A-10, got buried in the Dean Lassek A-10 thread...

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_31..._7/key_/tm.htm

Pages 7-10 ;)

RE: rcjetsdirect A10
 

Thanks for the info. I did read that thread when it was running but must have stopped before the little A10 postings began.

Now I just need to sort out which version of MW44 to use.

RE: rcjetsdirect A10
 

Some more picture from the other thread.

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I've found some more pics of the prototype on another thread:D

For those that have flown A-10s, how much power do you think I would need? I believe the prototype weight was about 24lbs. Do you think 7-8lb Wren 44s would be enough or do you think I would need 10lb 'Golds'?

RE: rcjetsdirect A10
 

Wow ... what a great looking kit!

I wonder how 2 110mm Stu Max Fans would fit and fly this bird... it would sound super sweet

thanks for the pictures... I hope to be at California Jets to see it

Ron

RE: rcjetsdirect A10
 

Ron,
The 110's will fit great. Come on over and say hi at Ca. Jets.
Sic, thanks so much again for finding the extra pics. That's the bird were flying. As for the Wrens, the 44's should be perfect. I did however think they put out a bit more thrust.....Mmmmmm could be wrong.
Anyway, it does fly great and like a trainer!
Lowell

RE: rcjetsdirect A10
 

Hello Darren
I just recieved your pm and thought i would post a video on the thread. And as of your questions about the weight, the proto weight was 24 pounds. I have laid up a lighter kit for John and Lowell that will hopefully be flying at cali jets next month as well as a few kits available. I have lost about 2 pounds off the airframe layups and structure. I think John will be sticking some tamjets fans in this one set up with 6s per. Overall weight savings should be about 5 pounds putting it down in the 18 pound range. The reason why the proto plane was so heavy was because it had 6 pounds of battery in it and the layup schedule was a little overkill. The fan units with motors were 2 pounds each. No nose weight was needed. It was actually nose heavy and had to shift the batteries back. I wanted to set it up with some stumax fans but stumax never returned my email. Must be busy making fans. I would love to see the a10 fly with turbine. If you talk to John or Lowell, they were talking about a company that wanted to use the a10 for a test platform for some new turbines that they were coming out with. I think John was saying they are going to be in the $1700 range.

The A10 i am finishing up for next month has had a little cosmetic surgery. I am finishing up the molds for the new wheel nacelles which will be much more scale than the proto, new canopy shape, and new flap molds and flanges over the proto. More detailed parts will also be on it. Gotta work out the bugs. I do now know why not many kit the a10. Lot of molds and alot of work. But i will be doing a 1/7th scale next which will have a 100 inch span.

Thanks for your interest
chris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enFOQiPFp84

RE: rcjetsdirect A10
 

The current Wren 44 Golds all have over 10 pounds of thrust, but Siclick was talking about using a couple of older Wren 44s - over 3 years old, in silver rather than gold cases, which only put out about 7-8 pounds.

Sara Parish
Wren Turbines

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Thanks Chris for the info update. See you at Ca. jets!
Sara, thanks for the info on the Wrens...Probably Gold would be best.
Lowell

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"I wanted to set it up with some stumax fans but stumax never returned my email. Must be busy making fans."

Sorry to hear he didn't get back to you. He was great to deal with and shipped very fast for me. I'll be watching how this one flys with TJ 100's. I'm really interested in this plane.
Just need to finish up the junk in the shop first.

Ron

RE: rcjetsdirect A10
 

Lowell,

Nice perfect size.

I saw one at Florida Jet. Is that one yours?

Nice A10, and good size. Could 2 P60s fit in it?

Thanks,

Mike
Global Jet Club

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Mike, it wasn't at FJ but it will be at CA jets. You'll see it there. I think P-60's are a bit to big for this one though...
Lowell

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Hey Ron
How long did it take you to get the stu fans? Thats what i wanted to set it up with but from what i understand, he had a few orders to fill and was a waiting list. I was worried about tail weight on the a10 but had no problem with the turbax edf's. They are even 1/2 pound each, heavier than their glow version. With the stumax, there would be a weight savings of about a pound in the engine area but not so needed. I will try to contact them again after i get all this squared away. Cool sounding fan though. As for now, we will see how the Tams perform.

Chris

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Is there any idea of a release date for this kit?

I know it has been said that there are likely to be a couple of kits at CA Jets but just wondered if this was realistic. If so, when are the next mainstream kits likely to follow?

Reason I ask is that I have itchy fingers to order the engines but don't want them sitting on my bench if the model is going to take a while.

RE: rcjetsdirect A10
 

Sic...if you put in an order with me I can get you one of the next kits. About 45-60 days. I will talk to Chris and try to get it sooner but I think that is realistic. Let me know.
Thanks,
Lowell
RC Jets Direct

RE: rcjetsdirect A10
 

I have a few ends to finish up but i have already started producing parts. I have one kit pretty much finished and will be doing as many as i can before the cali jet meet. I should have at least 2 finished for it. I am also building up another kit with all detail for the jet meet and making 2 new molds for the wheel nacelles at the same time, so i have my work cut out for me. I am going to take a small breather after cali jets but will start producing parts again the week after. We should be able to get one out to you about a week after i get back which would be around April 25th. I would love to see how the 44's push this thing around. Just let Lowell or John know.

thanks
chris

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Thanks Chris...we look for ward to CA jets. I flew our demo A-10 the other day and it is just a ***** cat to fly and land. It just seems to float! Great high speed performance as well!
Thanks again,
Lowell

RE: rcjetsdirect A10
 

One of the lightest 120mm setups you could use on the A-10 would be the Aeronaut TF4000 fan, Neu 1912 1Y and Castle Creations HV110 ESC. The TF4000 is an all carbon fiber fan that weighs 4 oz. The 1912 weighs 12 ozs. and the CC HV100 weighs 5 ozs. for a total of 21 ozs. By comparison, the TJ100 with a 1518 motor and CC HV110 weighs 27 ozs. and about 25 ozs with a 1515 motor. The TF4000/Neu 1912 combo puts out 10+ pounds of thrust on 10S. I had this setup in a BVM Maverick a few years ago and it had an amp draw of 89 amps and 3200 watts and it pushed the Maverick to 165mph.

Kirk

RE: rcjetsdirect A10
 

The Stumax 110-52 is definitely the RIGHT fan for this model.
I know Stu had been waiting for motors from NEU.
I suggest you email him again with photos of the model, I'm sure he will be keen to fill you order ASAP.
Bob

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Is there a web page for rcjetsdirect. If not, what is the cost of the kit. Also, is the A-10 about the same size as the George Miller A-10.

Do you think that the new micro turbines would fly it like the new one from Jet Joes or the other from germany, Lambert-Modellturbinen. Thanks.

RE: rcjetsdirect A10
 

If he's talking lower cell count setup then 1515 would be the setup to use, which is actually the standard setup for TJ, 1518 is not high performance but more ruged system for large jets, so in thast case 1515 and TJ is only 21oz. It will also under at 3kw area put out exact same thrust as TF or any fan at 3kw. All fans in close watt levels put out same thrust range, only diff is efflux due to each fans RPM, some can just put out more thrust at top end cause there capable of higher ultimate watt ranges. Thats why at 3kw range even a DS-51 is close to 9 pound range as is even a Midi fan, the diff? Efflux.


Barry

RE: rcjetsdirect A10
 

"Hey Ron
How long did it take you to get the stu fans? Thats what i wanted to set it up with but from what i understand, he had a few orders to fill and was a waiting list. I was worried about tail weight on the a10 but had no problem with the turbax edf's. They are even 1/2 pound each, heavier than their glow version. With the stumax, there would be a weight savings of about a pound in the engine area but not so needed. I will try to contact them again after i get all this squared away. Cool sounding fan though. As for now, we will see how the Tams perform.

Chris "

sorry I missed this post...
I'd email Stu.. from what I understand many guys were dropping off his waiting list... maybe the bad economy
there may be no wait now... it will fly great with Tams Fan... it's a power house

for scale sound it would be hard to beat Stu's fan... I'd be very interested to have this plane with two stu max's
can't wait to see how it goes..

if all goes well I hope to be at california jets with my Stu Max powered Spark... but time is not on my side right now [:@]

Ron

RE: rcjetsdirect A10
 

We haven't got it up on the website yet...working on it. The complete kit is $1295 not including the grear, radio or engine/fan. It really goes together fast and we are currently working on the plans and build sheet. This all came to fruition a bit prematurely, but we are doing our best to get it all out there for you. As I said before, we will have kits to look at at Calif. jets and we will get the web site done asap as well.
Thanks again for all the interest and I can assure you, the wait will be worth it. Also, it is not the same size as the Miller to my knowledge.
Lowell Wexler
RC Jets Direct

RE: rcjetsdirect A10
 

If your looking for a Stu fan still Ron I have one here. So much stuff on the burner I'm just not gonna get to it anytime soon. So if ya want one soon and at a break just let me know.

Barry

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Hey Barry..
I have one here also...lol
but if I need another I know where to go

Thanks Bud
Ron

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Any more photos of this from California Jets?

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I just got back from Calif. Jets and the A-10 was the hit! Ali flew it twice and ordered 3 of them! We also took orders for 12 add'l. We are going to have it produced and should have a lot of kits available in about 120 days. They will be a complete ARF with everything except moter, fan and electronics.
Look at the thread on CA jets for flying shots of the plane. It was great!
I will keep you all posted.
Lowell
RC Jets Direct

RE: rcjetsdirect A10
 

Really great news!!!
will there be an adaptor for diffenet fans? 100mm 110mm 120 mm and such?

Did you fly it on the TJ100's ? How many cells?

Thanks Much
Ron

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Lowell,

Your A10 looks great! I can't wait to get one in the shop and get it ready for E-Fest in September. It's going to be tough flying all the different jets Tam will have for the show with that A10 there...I'm sure I will try to fly it non-stop!

Russ

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I knew I should have taken you up on your invitation to check one out.....crap. I will wait like everyone else but it looked great and I can't wait to see the different power systems on this very impressive airframe...

Awesome job...

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Hi Lowell
Great to meet you and the guys and thanks for the A-10 flights. A great model, and I look forward to getting my hands on some kits to play with and sell.
A few photos of your great lil Hawg.

RE: rcjetsdirect A10
 

Here is a couple pics of another one that i just finished for John.

chris

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Ron, the one we flew had Turbax fans and the first flight was 9 cell and the second 10. We flew the entire flight at half throttle (including take off!). It flys fast and slow very predictable and no bad habbits. It really was the hit here (not to mention Ali's great flying skills!!). Can't wait to get the production done.

Russ, we'll get you one as soon as we can. We have a few kits coming from here in the USA that will be available. Will keep you posted.

Ali, thanks for the great shots and the great flying! You are truely a talent. It was sure nice having you out here.

Chris, great job on the green one. It came out superb! You really have got it down. Thanks brother!


Lowell
RC Jets Direct

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The A-10 was a hit and I am on the list, nice job and perfect size...

P. Richards aka Swat Team

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Thanks "P". We think it was too!! After all the design and re-design and adjusting, I think we have it dialed in. It flys like a trainer! (only more fun!!).
Thanks again, and will keep you posted on the production.
Lowell
RC Jets Direct

RE: rcjetsdirect A10
 

Hey Ron
I have a slightly different sructural setup for the cheap chinese 110mm fans for the engine nacelle but for the most part i think it would be fairly easy for the buyer to adapt it over. We have not messed around with enough setups to say we could offer something like this yet. Are you still thinking about the Stumax fans. When i get ready to do mine, i was wanting to set it up with Stumax fans so i will definately be making an adapter for these fans. I will be pretty busy for awhile so it may be some time before i even get around to purchasing some Stumax fans. If the time comes and you need some adapters you could send me the fan shroud and i can do some up for you. I live in central california which i believe is pretty close to where you are at.

thanks
chris