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Forgues Research 04-13-2009 03:13 PM

spark ignition for turbines
 
For those of you that are still using propane start turbines , you might be interested in one of the project I have just finished, and that is to replace the glow plug start with a spark ignition instead.

A few reasons for this, one is in very tight spaces , it is easy to damage the glow plug and glow plugs have to be replaced sometimes.

The spark plug will last forever in this application.

Easiest start ever, reliable and in just about any temperature.

The downside, you do have to install the ignition module and it will add some cost to your model.

Just a thought...

Roger

Harley Condra 04-13-2009 04:03 PM

RE: spark ignition for turbines
 
Jeff Seymour of SWB turbines has been using spark ignition for years.
Didn't the old JPX propane engines use spark ignition?

SinCityJets 04-13-2009 04:04 PM

RE: spark ignition for turbines
 
Roger,

Bob Ritchey (Smart-Fly) and I are in production of a spark unit right now also. We started working on it when I posted the idea here on RCU a couple months back (I know others have used it too). Admittedly, introducing 20,000+ volts in to the sytem requires much caution and care. It is certainly not as easy as putting in a spark plug and electronic ignition unit (like I thought it would be).

Good luck!

Chad

Forgues Research 04-13-2009 04:16 PM

RE: spark ignition for turbines
 
WOW I had no idea others were using it, I can only tell you that what I have works flawelessly

I had no intentions of marketing it ..

Roger

Robrow 04-13-2009 04:18 PM

RE: spark ignition for turbines
 
Interesting, you need to be careful of RF energy wiping the ecu eproms.

A more subtle but effective method is to use a combined ceramic glow plug with direct gas feed.

Rob.

ianober 04-13-2009 04:34 PM

RE: spark ignition for turbines
 
Roger, can we see some pics of the install, perhaps a video demonstration of a startup?

Forgues Research 04-13-2009 04:47 PM

RE: spark ignition for turbines
 

ORIGINAL: Robrow

Interesting, you need to be careful of RF energy wiping the ecu eproms.

A more subtle but effective method is to use a combined ceramic glow plug with direct gas feed.

Rob.

Yes you are right, but what I have done is in sequence doing one thing at a time and going forward with the next step..

The ECU is opposite side of the ignition module.

I

Roger

Forgues Research 04-13-2009 04:49 PM

RE: spark ignition for turbines
 


ORIGINAL: ianober

Roger, can we see some pics of the install, perhaps a video demonstration of a startup?

Of course I can take pictures of the installation but no videos at this time as I don't have any video camera, My digital camera is the Nikon D40 with no video possibility.

Roger

George 04-13-2009 04:54 PM

RE: spark ignition for turbines
 
Roger,

Which engine/s have you converted?

Forgues Research 04-13-2009 04:59 PM

RE: spark ignition for turbines
 

ORIGINAL: George

Roger,

Which engine/s have you converted?

Its the wren 44 turbo prop but its not really a conversion, didn't touch anything on the engine except removed the glow plug and installed a spark plug

Roger

Forgues Research 04-13-2009 05:01 PM

RE: spark ignition for turbines
 


ORIGINAL: SinCityJets

Roger,

Bob Ritchey (Smart-Fly) and I are in production of a spark unit right now also. We started working on it when I posted the idea here on RCU a couple months back (I know others have used it too). Admittedly, introducing 20,000+ volts in to the sytem requires much caution and care. It is certainly not as easy as putting in a spark plug and electronic ignition unit (like I thought it would be).

Good luck!

Chad
Actually it was the easiest thing I have done , very simple and trouble free.

Roger

George 04-13-2009 05:05 PM

RE: spark ignition for turbines
 


ORIGINAL: Forgues Research



ORIGINAL: George

Roger,

Which engine/s have you converted?

Its the wren 44 turbo prop but its not really a conversion, didn't touch anything on the engine except removed the glow plug and installed a spark plug and installed a resistor in the glow plug wire to trick the ECU in beleiving the glow plug is good.

Roger
Cool!

I'd be interested in that. It is a pain to change the plug in my turbo-prop. I know you said you weren't marketing it, but I'd be interested in getting a couple set-ups. Any chance?

George

SinCityJets 04-13-2009 05:10 PM

RE: spark ignition for turbines
 


ORIGINAL: George

Roger,

Which engine/s have you converted?
George,

We have done testing on Jet Central and Behotec engines with no problems (everyone that I know that has a JetCat has Kero start). We just want to ensure the high voltage doesn't damage any other components (ECU, receiver, etc.) The actual install and parts are simple, it making sure everything else is protected that will save a lot of headaches in the future.

Chad

George 04-13-2009 05:17 PM

RE: spark ignition for turbines
 
Thanks for the info. Chad.

Forgues Research 04-13-2009 05:44 PM

RE: spark ignition for turbines
 


ORIGINAL: SinCityJets



ORIGINAL: George

Roger,

Which engine/s have you converted?
George,

We have done testing on Jet Central and Behotec engines with no problems (everyone that I know that has a JetCat has Kero start). We just want to ensure the high voltage doesn't damage any other components (ECU, receiver, etc.) The actual install and parts are simple, it making sure everything else is protected that will save a lot of headaches in the future.

Chad

Chad I hear you but the question was towards me about which engine I have done , which of course is the Wren.

If there is enough demand I would make my system availlable to others just email me back channel.

Roger

Forgues Research 04-13-2009 05:52 PM

RE: spark ignition for turbines
 
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OK here are a few photos , I hope this helps

Roger

ianober 04-13-2009 06:21 PM

RE: spark ignition for turbines
 
Very cool Roger, that ignition unit is MUCH smaller than I was thinking, awesome!!

Forgues Research 04-13-2009 06:24 PM

RE: spark ignition for turbines
 


ORIGINAL: ianober

Very cool Roger, that ignition unit is MUCH smaller than I was thinking, awesome!!
It is very small but I hope you didn't think it was the little green thing, its not the module, that little green thing a ma jig, is what makes it all happen but the module is lower in the picture with aluminum case.

Roger

cy paul 04-13-2009 07:24 PM

RE: spark ignition for turbines
 
i wonder if i can use this on my AMT olympus hmm

Forgues Research 04-13-2009 07:30 PM

RE: spark ignition for turbines
 


ORIGINAL: cy paul

i wonder if i can use this on my AMT olympus hmm

Why not....

Roger also in Ontario LOL

cy paul 04-13-2009 07:38 PM

RE: spark ignition for turbines
 
Sweet, where abouts are you in Ontario :) I'm in Toronto, North York.

Forgues Research 04-13-2009 07:41 PM

RE: spark ignition for turbines
 


ORIGINAL: cy paul

Sweet, where abouts are you in Ontario :) I'm in Toronto, North York.

I'm about 100 km east of Ottawa and 100 km west of Montreal not far from the 401

Roger

cy paul 04-13-2009 07:49 PM

RE: spark ignition for turbines
 
ok cool :)

Gonzalo38 04-13-2009 09:58 PM

RE: spark ignition for turbines
 
WOW...... no more burnt glow plugs. I want one :D

Forgues Research 04-13-2009 10:02 PM

RE: spark ignition for turbines
 


ORIGINAL: Gonzalo38

WOW...... no more burnt glow plugs. I want one :D

Give me a shout LOL

Roger


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