cos your an idiot and people want to tell you your an idiot.

Dude7422 YOU DONT GET IT AT ALL DO YOU. Some .12's can twist shaft which means they already have way to much power. And you seem to not get the point that you would need to run it rich in order to get that extra power, or need the extra servo to do so. You arent going to do the servo, so that means you need to run it pig rich, or you will get an over lean condition and with the over lean condition you dont get much if any extra power and with the pig rich condition you dont get any real good performance before or after the nitros(except for those 8 seconds) it is activated.

Yes people did say that the wright brothers couldnt do it, But nobody here said that you couldnt do it, we are here saying it's not worth it. There's a big difference there. To much hassle and you will be getting in over your head with trying to build your own (which is dangerous) nitrous system. There's just way to much into it for a person who doent even read all of the post's or the very link that you provided us with.

why dont we just have the nitrous system thats not only nitrous, but nitrous plus lubricant? that way we get more oxygen AND protection for the motor...

why dont we just run higher nitro percentage and have a proven performance hit thats proven to cost very little has that hit forever and is proven to be safe and easy to tune for?

no that isnt the point of this whole discussion, what some people are looking for is a on-demand boost of performance, personally i like the idea myself....but i dont agree with the toggle switch simply being at the end of the throttle servo's throw, i would prefer to see it controlled by a seperate channel...it adds more sophistication to the whole setup and i think it makes it more fun to use...

i dont know much about nitros myself but dont they actually discourage people from buying higher % nitro fuel thinking that it makes their cars go faster, because it has a higher chance of causing the engine to fail or something?

No. If u go up to 30 from 20 and just run it, not richen the needles then yes u will shorten the engines life, but if u richen the mixture, like your meant to do when u change to a higher %%%% then no it wont self destruct, but yes higher percentage nitro will slightly shorten the life of your engine, but not by alot

I disagree, does running premium ruin your 1:1 car? no, i rest my case [8D]

And what do you mean richen it, why would i richen it? id just tune it every day like a i always do, i wouldnt even ntoice if it went richen or leaner than before

if your on the same day, u run out of 20, throw some 30 in it, i would richen then tune again for performance. Everytime i change nitro or something i richen it a bit and start again, tune for performancee, when i get to where i like it i temp it to make sure its not like 350 faren lol and for reference and run it like that.

Take top fuel dragsters for instance, they run nitromethane and they get rebuilt after everyrace thats high performance fuel.

they run so hot they are dieseling on white hot exhaust valves, cos the exhaust valves and cam doesnt work as soon as they leave the line, thats why they rebuild :L:L

Well thats not quite the same thing. I dont really think that running 30% will drastically shorten the engine's life, now I can see where people get this from, but when it comes down to it, I just dont see it really shortening the life of the engine. But the point that me and dann are here saying is that you can do other things here to gain that power and have that power all the time without spending $200 (or less if dude7422 every makes his).


It's just not worth the time and hassle to do all of this when you can just get a new engine or to get 30% fuel instead of 20% nitro. A new tuned pipe ot maybe a moded engine, or other thing's. There's just so much more you can do to get that power for the entire time that your running instead of the 8 seconds of power.

yes i know what u guys are on about, and i fully agree with you.

And i didnt say u would see a massive drop in engine life, i said it will slightly shorten it, im meaning like a litre or 2 nothin to worry about.

Yes changing up to 30% is a much wiser decision than spending 200 US on a dodgy little nos system that lasts 8 seconds, i prefer to run 30 in my engines because of the added excitment, balistic accel and faster top end, if that means losing a few litres then so be it, i had more fun than i would of with nitrous or less nitro.

Nitrous does work, but for what, that short ammmount of time, its stupid, go buy yourself a Nova engine or a nice 12 or 18 TZ and u will have more fun than u ever would with a little bottle of nos

yes , i like the idea of a push button nitrous system, but it wont catch on if its priced as much as a new engine... if it was a viable alternative to upgrading your engine then it would make driving a car alot more interesting, but i cant think of a way that its gonna catch on because to me nitrous would make the most sense during races, and for that you'll need everyone to have the same nitrous system installed in their cars, which means you need to have enough people using it in the first place, and they would all need a seperate channel dedicated to activating the nos ... but i suppose in races you dont have reverse so that 3rd channel can be used for this purpose... like having the added tactics of when to shoot your nitrous would give races that added dimension, and 8 seconds total worth of short squirts at the right times , and not knowing exactly how much nos you have left , it should be interesting

I like NOX also but the only thing its good for other than laughing gas is for controled injection into larger engines than RC and making money off of guys who think its a big help to RC cars and trucks [sm=drowning.gif]

man these threads go on and on and on and on.....I think I may have started 1 at one time...

I've read a bunch of stuff on this topic and the performance gained is not worth A: the money or B:the extra weight
it certainly looks kewl I must admit.

The purpose of that nitrous system is for looks and to tell your buddies "I have 'nos' in my RC car guys!"

WoW the only thing I gained in this whole forum is that people just do not know when to stop arguing.

"Dudewhateveryournumbersare" They are right in the fact that even though it is a few seconds long it will destroy that cylinder wall. Plus if you are going to argue with someone do some research, All you did in most of your comments was rearrange your words to make it sound different, but you really had nothing new.

125 - I agree with you in whole, you definatly seem to know what you are talking about, but after 5 pages you probably should just drop the argument. It is like pissing into the wind no matter what, it will come right back at you and nobody will gain anything.


Now the next tidbit of info is IN THEORY talk, and is second-hand since it was passed on to me from an engineer who understands this a lot more then I.

First thing he said was that trying to regulate pressure would be close to impossible "You would have to build this system like a Swiss Made Watch" that said here we go.

To do this and actually make it work you would have to understand first that in a Nitro Fuels You need roughly a 2:1 ratio meaning two parts air to one part fuel, This is quite a bit allready considering Gasoline Engines run at about 4:1. Partial reason is because Nitro carrys its own oxygen in it.

So With that in mind you would need to find a way to regulate the fuel mixture. Hense the debate that has made this go 5 pages. One way you could do it is run a duel system, one to regulate nitrous and one to regulate fuel. On most cars there are to brackets one that delivers fuel and one that runs nitrous, they work with each other to make sure the exact ratio desired is met.

How could you do this on a rc engine you ask? I don't know for sure, One theory was that you have a dual needle system, one to run normally and one to take over when that nitrous hits. Once again You would have to be VERY precise to get this right.

One other thing you have to keep in mind is to regulate the pressure as it is going in to keep it in the liquid state. With a little wipit this could be quite interesting, The only way I can see this happening is using a regulator, this reg would have to be able to only allow a band of pressure set at both ends so you won't get liquid it nor will you get too much pressure into the engine. "Anyone see where that glow plug landed"

And Lastly "also stated once" Since these little engines basically run like a diesel, You would need to be able to find away to prevent pre-ignition. Not sure on a way yet, but my only guess is run the coldest plug you can find and do not let it idle. "follow that, no, i understand"

So all in all yes there are neat little dyno graphs that say it worked, but we have no idea how rich that engine was running "for all we know it could have been 4-cyclin w/o the nitrous, but when the nitrous hits it would basically hit that perfect tune." I just don't see how this is gonna be useful for anything other then destroying rods and piston walls.

Next topic. Why superchargers wont work on any 2 cycle.

Simple answer they work on a 4 cycle mainly because of the port time, when that boost enters the cylinder the exhaust valve is closed, and it stays closed until after ignition. Where as a 2 cycle every revolution both ports are open, any boost you try and put in there will probably have escaped by the time it is ready to fire.

Now like I said the info I gave is second hand And I am sure I have messed a few details up, but for the most part I believe I got the point accross. If anyone "who knows something about engines" would like to step in and correct my flaws go ahead. I am sure there is a few.

Also for those who like to argue about why the sky is blue all day Go ahead, I won't be joining, I may check back to see if what people say, but that is about it.

Nope you said it.

Thats also what we have been trying to say, but well done for taking the time to write it all out like that.

Your elected argument settlement Zar. And I don't give a darn what you all say its great laughing gas [sm=punching.gif][sm=thumbup.gif] LOL

Sapper ion pretty well said. You got it right, you didnt miss anything or mess anything up.



And yes rclynx yes it is great laughing gas.

haha off topic but...

When i shattered my hand, and they were rebreaking it back into place i was on like 60% gas ok. i was sooo out of it, and after they had finished i said " hey man, do ya got any ecstacy too?" (the poor grammar was from still being very high )

Dann

where i got these numbers i asked the guy if he ever dyno a super charged motor his reply was he had ask rb super chargers for one to dyno and got no reply from "RB" ANY WAYS here are some numbers ...from a place that has a dyno x hope this helps ya
Company Engine HP TQ Peak RPM Part # Price
Associated MGT 4.6cc 1.10 @ 19,500 rpm 57.60 oz-in @ 17,750 rpm 34,250 rpm w/ kit n/a
Axial Racing .28 Spec I S 1.43 @ 22,800 rpm 75.61 oz-in @ 18,000 rpm 35,000 rpm AX001 $160
CEN NX-26 1.02 @ 23,200 rpm 53.00 oz-in. @ 18,000 rpm 33,200 rpm w/ kit n/a
CEN X-76 .46 1.58 @ 21,250 rpm 74.88 oz-in @ 16,500 rpm 36,000 rpm w/ kit $299
GS GS-R25MT 1.20 @ 24,000 rpm 55.68 oz-in @ 17,000 rpm 35,500 rpm w/ kit $230
HPI 18 SS 0.63 @ 29,500 rpm 24.96 oz-in @ 22,250 rpm 32,500 rpm w/ kit $170
HPI Nitro Star F4.1 0.94 @ 20,250 rpm 48.60 oz-in @ 18,000 rpm 33,500 rpm w/ kit n/a
HPI K4.6HO 1.28 @ 19,500 rpm 64.76 oz-in @ 19,500 rpm 32,000 rpm w/ kit n/a
HPI Nitro Star K4.6 1.32 @ 22,250 rpm 59.52 oz-in @ 19,750 rpm 35,000 rpm w/ kit $200
Kyosho GSR-26 0.94 @ 31,500 rpm 46.08 oz-in @ 14,300 rpm 34,250 rpm w/ kit n/a
LRP Z .12R Team Spec.2 1.11 @ 34,500 rpm 32.46 oz-in @ 34,250 rpm 41,250 rpm LRP31201 $240
Mach .15 Rear Exhaust 0.65 @ 21,500 rpm 30.72 oz-in @ 11,000 rpm 29,500 rpm w/ kit $120
Max Power .12 S-3MF 0.91 @ 34,750 rpm 28.80 oz-in @ 30,250 rpm 43,000 rpm MX12MAXS2MF $349
Max Power MX21M5 1.35 @ 24,500 rpm 55.68 oz-in @ 21,000 rpm 38,250 rpm MX21M5 $350
Mugen X12 SE 0.88 @ 21,500 rpm 28.80 oz-in @ 30,000 rpm 42,500 rpm X12S3 $290
Novarossi N21B 1.33 @ 22,750 rpm 59.52 oz-in @ 20,750 rpm 35,750 rpm N21B $199
Novarossi N528XR Hott Mod 2.02 @ 26,250 rpm 80.64 oz-in @ 22,000 rpm 38,500 rpm N528XR $319
Novarossi P5 1.46 @ 25,250 rpm 59.52 oz-in @ 22,000 rpm 37,750 rpm A2C201 $300
O.S. .12TZ(S) T3 0.80 @ 34,000 rpm 24.96 oz-in @ 21,750 rpm 38,500 rpm 11371 $230
O.S. 12 TR 0.65 @ 30,000 rpm 25.00 oz-in @ 23,250 rpm 39,350 rpm 11362 $130
O.S. 12 TR-T Outlaw 0.73 @ 31,500 rpm 25.96 oz-in @ 27,250 rpm 41,000 rpm 11365 $160
O.S. .18 TZ-T 1.18 @ 29,400 rpm 44.16 oz-in @ 21,750 rpm 42,050 rpm OSMG2114 $180
O.S. VZ-B V-Spec 1.47 @ 24,250 rpm 61.20 oz-in @ 22,500 rpm 41,500 rpm 13890 $320
O.S. 30VG 1.80 @ 26,500 rpm 74.88 oz-in @ 18,750 rpm 35,500 rpm 13960 $250
Ofna Hyper 21 8-Port 0.98 @ 20,750 rpm 49.92 oz-in @ 14,750 rpm 33,000 rpm w/ kit $150
Ofna Force .26 1.02 @ 24,000 rpm 48.00 oz-in @ 19,500 rpm 38,500 rpm w/ kit $140
Peak Diablo .12 Type-R 0.51 @ 25,550 rpm 21.10 oz-in @ 19,000 rpm 33,000 rpm PEK6006 $150
Peak Diablo .28 1.33 @ 27,500 rpm 48.00 oz-in @ 22,000 rpm 40,800 rpm PEK6081 $170
Ofna/Picco P7-R Evo .21 1.08 @ 24,800 rpm 58.93 oz-in. @ 25,400 rpm 39,300 rpm 51218 $309
Ofna/Picco P7-R Evo .21 1.47 @ 25,200 rpm 59.01 oz-in. @ 24,800 rpm 39,400 rpm 51218 $309
Racers Edge Sure Fire .32 1.65 @ 21,750 rpm 74.80 oz-in @ 21,000 rpm 34,500 rpm RCESF10000 $200
RB Concepts V12 Rody 3T 0.95 @ 34,250 rpm 28.80 oz-in @ 28,750 rpm 44,750 rpm 1700-000445 $375
Rex R12S5 Outlaw 0.84 @ 34,750 rpm 26.88 oz-in @ 26,750 rpm 41,250 rpm RER12S5 $385
Rex ReR5 5-port turbo 0.84 @ 34,750 rpm 27.00 oz-in @ 26,750 rpm 41,250 rpm ReR5S3 $320
SH PT2002XB .21 1.21 @ 22,100 rpm 55.68 oz-in @ 19,750 rpm 39,000 rpm 147009 $229
SH 0.28 1.22 @ 20,500 rpm 61.40 oz-in @ 14,750 rpm 38,450 rpm w/ kit $150
Sirio S12T3 EvoIII 0.79 @ 35,050 rpm 23.04 oz-in @ 22,000 rpm 40,750 rpm S12-TRP1 $200
Sirio P21 PR Pro 1.46 @ 27,750 RPM 53.76 oz-in @ 26,250 RPM 41,000 rpm S12-TRP1 $200
Sportwerks 0.26 1.30 @ 26,750 rpm 53.76 oz-in @ 19,000 rpm 42,750 rpm w/ kit n/a
Super Tiger G-27CX 0.86 @ 17,250 rpm 50.70 oz-in @ 16,250 rpm 30,250 rpm w/ kit n/a
Tamiya FR-15S 0.48 @ 30,250 rpm 21.12 oz-in @ 13,000 rpm 36,500 rpm S21 PR Pro $350
Team Losi Mach 427 1.31 @ 26,750 rpm 53.80 oz-in @18,750 rpm 43,250 rpm w/ kit n/a
Thunder Tiger Pro .21 0.92 @ 21,750 rpm 57.60 oz-in @ 16,750 rpm 37,750 rpm w/ kit n/a
Thunder Tiger Pro 28 BXR 1.10 @ 19,500 rpm 57.60 oz-in @ 17,750 rpm 34,250 rpm w/ kit n/a
Top TS12S3 0.77 @ 31,000 rpm 26.88 oz-in @ 20,250 rpm 41,750 rpm TSR12S3 $299
Traxxas TRX 2.5 Rear Exhaust 0.69 @ 29,750 rpm 30.72 oz-in @ 18,750 rpm 38,500 rpm w/ kit $160
Traxxas TRX 3.3 Pullstart 0.97 @ 31,250 rpm 37.49 oz-in @ 19,500 rpm 37,750 rpm w/ kit n/a
Trinity 427 Monster Horsepower 1.02 @ 24,250 rpm 48.00 oz-in @ 19,250 rpm 38,100 rpm w/ kit n/a
Trinity .30 Adam Drake 1.44 @ 21,750 rpm 55.68 oz-in @ 27,000 rpm 36,250 rpm TRI40006 $215
Werks Racing Collari B7 1.54 @ 26,000 rpm 59.52 oz-in @ 23,750 rpm 36,650 rpm WRXLC21B7 $250
Xray NT18 N/A N/A N/A w/ kit n/a
XTM XTM 24.7 1.27 @ 23,000 rpm 61.44 oz-in @ 16,750 rpm 37,250 rpm w/ kit $140
here is part two of the list from some dyno place i found
Company Size (ci) Engine HP TQ Peak RPM Fuel %
Associated 0.280 MGT 4.6cc 1.10 @ 19,500 rpm 57.60 oz-in @ 17,750 rpm 34,250 rpm Byron 30%
Axial Racing 0.120 .12RR Spec 1 0.88 @ 30,900 rpm 28.48 oz-in @ 31,100 rpm 39,100 rpm Trinity Platinum 30%
Axial Racing 0.280 .28 Spec 1S 1.41 @ 23,400 rpm 61.85 oz-in @ 23,400 rpm 33,400 rpm Trinity Platinum 30%
Axial Racing 0.280 .28 Spec 1S 1.43 @ 22,800 rpm 75.61 oz-in @ 18,000 rpm 35,000 rpm 30% nitro, 12% oil
CEN 0.260 NX-26 1.02 @ 23,200 rpm 53.00 oz-in @ 18,000 rpm 33,200 rpm Racer's Edge Sure Fire 30%
CEN 0.460 X-76 .46 1.58 @ 21,250 rpm 74.88 oz-in @ 16,500 rpm 36,000 rpm Byron 30%
GS 0.247 GS-R25MT 1.20 @ 24,000 rpm 55.68 oz-in @ 17,000 rpm 35,500 rpm Orion Black Demon 30%
HPI 0.180 18 SS 0.63 @ 29,500 rpm 24.96 oz-in @ 22,250 rpm 32,500 rpm O'Donnell 20%
HPI 0.250 Nitro Star F4.1 0.94 @ 20,250 rpm 48.60 oz-in @ 18,000 rpm 33,500 rpm HPI 30%
HPI 0.280 K4.6HO 1.28 @ 19,500 rpm 64.76 oz-in @ 19,500 rpm 32,000 rpm HPI 30%
HPI 0.280 Nitro Star K4.6 1.32 @ 22,250 rpm 59.52 oz-in @ 19,750 rpm 35,000 rpm Byron 20%
HPI 1.400 Feulie 2-stroke N/A N/A N/A 2-stroke fuel 25:1
IRC 0.050 IRC/Toki N/A N/A N/A Trinity Nitro Power 20%
Kyosho 0.260 GSR-26 0.94 @ 31,500 rpm 46.08 oz-in @ 14,300 rpm 34,250 rpm Trinity Monster HP 30%
LRP 0.120 Z .12R Team Spec.2 1.11 @ 34,500 rpm 32.46 oz-in @ 34,250 rpm 41,250 rpm 30% nitro, 12% oil
Mach 0.150 .15 Rear Exhaust 0.65 @ 21,500 rpm 30.72 oz-in @ 11,000 rpm 29,500 rpm Orion Black Demon 16%
Max Power 0.120 .12 S-3MF 0.91 @ 34,750 rpm 28.80 oz-in @ 30,250 rpm 43,000 rpm Trinity Monster HP 30%
Max Power 0.210 Max .21 1.35 @ 24,500 rpm 55.68 oz-in @ 21,000 rpm 38,250 rpm Trinity Platinum 30%
Max Power 0.210 MX21M5 1.35 @ 24,500 rpm 55.68 oz-in @ 21,000 rpm 38,250 rpm O'Donnell 30%
Mugen 0.120 X12 SE 0.88 @ 21,500 rpm 28.80 oz-in @ 30,000 rpm 42,500 rpm 30% nitro, 10% oil
Mugen 0.120 X12 SE 0.88 @ 21,500 rpm 28.80 oz-in @ 30,000 rpm 42,500 rpm 30% nitro, 10% oil
Novarossi(Dist. By Fusion Motorsports) 0.210 N21B 1.33 @ 22,750 rpm 59.52 oz-in @ 20,750 rpm 35,750 rpm 30% nitro, 12% oil
Novarossi(Dist. By Fusion Motorsports) 0.210 N528XR Hott Mod 2.02 @ 26,250 rpm 80.64 oz-in @ 22,000 rpm 38,500 rpm 30% nitro, 12% oil
Novarossi(Dist. By Fusion Motorsports) 0.210 P5 1.46 @ 25,250 rpm 59.52 oz-in @ 22,000 rpm 37,750 rpm O'Donnell 30%
Novarossi(Dist. By Fusion Motorsports) 0.210 P5 1.46 @ 25,250 rpm 59.52 oz-in @ 22,000 rpm 37,750 rpm O'Donnell 30%
O.S. 0.120 .12TZ(S) T3 0.80 @ 34,000 rpm 24.96 oz-in @ 21,750 rpm 38,500 rpm 20% nitro, 12% oil
O.S. 0.120 12 TR 0.65 @ 30,000 rpm 25.00 oz-in @ 23,250 rpm 39,350 rpm White Lightning Pro 20%
O.S. 0.120 12 TR-T Outlaw 0.73 @ 31,500 rpm 25.96 oz-in @ 27,250 rpm 41,000 rpm 30% nitro, 10% oil
O.S. 0.180 .18 TZ-T 1.18 @ 29,400 rpm 44.16 oz-in @ 21,750 rpm 42,050 rpm 30% nitro, 12% oil
O.S. 0.210 VZ-B V-Spec 1.47 @ 24,250 rpm 61.20 oz-in @ 22,500 rpm 41,500 rpm Trinity Platinum 30%
O.S. 0.210 VZ-B V-Spec 1.47 @ 24,250 rpm 61.20 oz-in @ 22,500 rpm 41,500 rpm Trinity Platinum 30%
O.S. 0.300 30VG 1.80 @ 26,500 rpm 74.88 oz-in @ 18,750 rpm 35,500 rpm O'Donnell 30%
Ofna 0.210 Hyper 21 8-Port 0.98 @ 20,750 rpm 49.92 oz-in @ 14,750 rpm 33,000 rpm Sidewinder Pro Race 30%
Ofna 0.260 Force .26 1.02 @ 24,000 rpm 48.00 oz-in @ 19,500 rpm 38,500 rpm Byron 30%
Ofna/Picco 0.210 P7-R Evo .21 1.08 @ 24,800 rpm 58.93 oz-in @ 25,400 rpm 39,300 rpm Werks 30%
Ofna/Picco 0.210 P7-R Evo .21 1.08 @ 24,800 rpm 58.93 oz-in @ 25,400 rpm 39,300 rpm Werks 30%
Ofna/Picco 0.210 P7-R Evo .21 1.47 @ 25,200 rpm 59.01 oz-in @ 24,800 rpm 39,400 rpm 30% nitro, 10% oil
OPS 0.210 .21 Speedster 1.64 @ 27,000 rom 62.06 oz-in @ 26,200 rpm 41,800 rpm 30% nitro, 12% oil
OPS 0.210 .21 Speedster 1.27 @ 27,000 rom 57.53 oz-in @ 19,200 rpm 39,800 rpm Werks 30%
Peak 0.120 Diablo .12 Type-R 0.51 @ 25,550 rpm 21.10 oz-in @ 19,000 rpm 33,000 rpm Trinity Platinum 20%
Peak 0.280 Diablo .28 1.33 @ 27,500 rpm 48.00 oz-in @ 22,000 rpm 40,800 rpm 30% nitro, 12% oil
Racers Edge 0.320 Sure Fire .32 1.65 @ 21,750 rpm 74.80 oz-in @ 21,000 rpm 34,500 rpm 30% nitro, 10% oil
RB Concepts 0.120 V12 Rody 3T 0.95 @ 34,250 rpm 28.80 oz-in @ 28,750 rpm 44,750 rpm 30% nitro, 10% oil
Rex 0.120 R12S5 Outlaw 0.84 @ 34,750 rpm 26.88 oz-in @ 26,750 rpm 41,250 rpm 30% nitro, 10% oil
Rex 0.120 ReR5 5-port turbo 0.84 @ 34,750 rpm 27.00 oz-in @ 26,750 rpm 41,250 rpm O'Donnell 30%
SH 0.210 PT2002XB .21 1.21 @ 22,100 rpm 55.68 oz-in @ 19,750 rpm 39,000 rpm 30% nitro, 12% oil
SH 0.280 0.28 1.22 @ 20,500 rpm 61.40 oz-in @ 14,750 rpm 38,450 rpm Trinity Monster HP 30%
Sirio 0.120 S12T3 EvoIII 0.79 @ 35,050 rpm 23.04 oz-in @ 22,000 rpm 40,750 rpm 30% nitro, 10% oil
Sirio 0.210 P21 PR Pro 1.46 @ 27,750 RPM 53.76 oz-in @ 26,250 RPM 41,000 rpm Trinity Platinum 30%
Sportwerks 0.260 0.26 1.30 @ 26,750 rpm 53.76 oz-in @ 19,000 rpm 42,750 rpm Sportwerks 30%
Super Tiger 0.270 G-27CX 0.86 @ 17,250 rpm 50.70 oz-in @ 16,250 rpm 30,250 rpm Trinity Platinum 30%
Tamiya 0.150 FR-15S 0.48 @ 30,250 rpm 21.12 oz-in @ 13,000 rpm 36,500 rpm White Lightning 20%
Team Losi 0.270 Mach 427 1.31 @ 26,750 rpm 53.80 oz-in @18,750 rpm 43,250 rpm Trinity Monster HP 30%
Team Orion 0.120 CRF Wasp .12 1.17 @ 36,800 rpm 32.12 oz-in @ 36,800 rpm 46,000 rpm 30% nitro, 12% oil
Thunder Tiger 0.210 Pro .21 0.92 @ 21,750 rpm 57.60 oz-in @ 16,750 rpm 37,750 rpm Trinity Monster HP 20%
Thunder Tiger 0.280 Pro 28 BXR 1.10 @ 19,500 rpm 57.60 oz-in @ 17,750 rpm 34,250 rpm O'Donnell 30%
Thunder Tiger 0.282 Pro .28 0.96 @ 23,200 rpm 51.22 oz-in @ 14,400 rpm 33,400 rpm Trinity Platinum 30%
Top 0.120 TS12S3 0.77 @ 31,000 rpm 26.88 oz-in @ 20,250 rpm 41,750 rpm 30% nitro, 10% oil
Traxxas 0.150 TRX 2.5 Rear Exhaust 0.69 @ 29,750 rpm 30.72 oz-in @ 18,750 rpm 38,500 rpm Traxxas 33% Top Fuel
Traxxas 0.200 TRX 3.3 Pullstart 0.97 @ 31,250 rpm 37.49 oz-in @ 19,500 rpm 37,750 rpm O'Donnell 30%
Traxxas 0.200 TRX 3.3 Pullstart 1.06 @ 30,900 rpm 38.32 oz-in @ 22,700 rpm 38,100 rpm Traxxas 33% Top Fuel
Trinity 0.210 Adam Drake Platinum .21 1.48 @ 25,400 rpm 57.72 oz-in @ 25,400 rpm 41,000 rpm 30% nitro, 12% oil
Trinity 0.260 427 Monster Horsepower 1.02 @ 24,250 rpm 48.00 oz-in @ 19,250 rpm 38,100 rpm Monster HP 20%
Trinity 0.300 .30 Adam Drake 1.44 @ 21,750 rpm 55.68 oz-in @ 27,000 rpm 36,250 rpm 30% nitro, 12% oil
Werks Racing 0.210 Collari B7 1.54 @ 26,000 rpm 59.52 oz-in @ 23,750 rpm 36,650 rpm O'Donnell 30%
Xray 0.049 NT18 N/A N/A N/A Trinity Nitro Power 20%
XTM 0.247 XTM 24.7 1.27 @ 23,000 rpm 61.44 oz-in @ 16,750 rpm 37,250 rp

still think your motor is over powered [sm=spinnyeyes.gif][sm=spinnyeyes.gif][sm=spinnyeyes.gif][sm=spinnyeyes.gif]
its a hobby it is for fun hobbies cost money

yes i do think they are, factor in power to weight genious and then 2wd and offroad to match...