First and foremost, the NSRCA is not a governing body, the AMA is. The NSRCA is a Special Interest Group that has the sole purpose of voicing the opinion of its majority. As I have said repeatedly, they failed to do that properly in this instance.
Secondly, how many people on the NSRCA board or are district VP's were actually elected? I'm betting the vast majority were appointed to the spots they're in because someone stepped down. That doesn't necessarily take away from their abilities, but it casts doubt as to whether or not they would have actually won an election of the membership. Unfortunately the NSRCA has recently been run by people who, although capable, were in their positions by default because nobody else wanted to do the job.
Lastly, a survey is not an election. It is a statistical analysis of the opinions of the membership. It has a margin of error that is based off of what percentage of the "population" actually responded to the survey. Given the small sample size (roughly 20% of pattern pilots), there was a large margin of error that made it to where the board should not have acted on any proposals not receiving at least 59% because anything less is not a statistical majority. A majority doesn't have to respond to a survey to make it valid, I agree with that. But without a statistical majority in favor of a proposal the board should not act. Also, as I stated earlier, the board shouldn't be coming up with proposals without a clearly-defined issue.
I completely understand that there were time constraints, and the proposal committee was put together at the last minute to come up with proposals. Given that simple fact, the NSRCA should not have done anything for this rules cycle because they did not have the proper amount of time to poll the membership to find out what issues they actually felt should be addressed. Just because an individual submitted their own proposal to the AMA to increase the weight limits, doesn't mean the NSRCA needed to do their own. Just because the FAI added new safety measures for electrics doesn't mean the NSRCA needs to come up with an AMA equivalent this very second. Sometimes those in leadership need to realize they don't have all the information they need to make a decision, and opt for doing nothing. That's what being a leader is about.

One last thing, 100% of the board was not in favor of the proposals.

Where would one find this definition of board responsibilities spelled out?

I remember fast freddy its a shame he had something to contribute at one time but slipped into a fog of hoarse POO. And executed his creditability..

So where is Riley ?????? Funny how things always work their way out isn't it.

Gary

Gary, perhaps it would be more helpful if I had the assistance of an interpreter, who is fluent in "spoken Egyptian Arabic", so that I can summon Riley, in words that he understands, via the same manner I call my 3 year old chocolate male Labrador. Here Cody, Cody, Cody.....I wonder if he has the ability to fetch also? Good Boy.........

Hi Dave,
The NSRCA By-Laws and Consitution are located here : http://nsrca.us/index.php/bylaws If the AMA has information as to the direction for S.I.G's in general, I don't know the location.

On a personal note (and NOT speaking for the NSRCA), I think some of you have some valid points. I also believe that this could have been done better but I do think we did a good job with what we had to work with. The plan is to rewrite the By-Laws this year to bring it current as well as set time frames in the By-Laws for committees so that they may have more time gathering information as needed. As an individual, I really think it's time to start pro-actively speaking to the AMA R/C Contest Board members, specifically, your District Rep. to voice your concerns. The R/C Contest Board will ask for justification of the proposals and because there are multiple "proposals" received by the Board on weight alone, I believe they will come back and try to get all the proposals together and try to come up with a single solution that can then be voted on. Yes, I could be wrong but that's what I believe. Of course there's nothing wrong with talking about it but if we really want to voice our concerns, that's the place to do it. I hope y'all know that we really tried to do our best and we really were looking out for the community as a whole. There was no way to come up with something (or come up with nothing) that would make 100% of the community happy.
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Very well said Scott... But I'm still going to piss and moan... It keeps my heart beating...


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I totally understand Gary.  You were an excellent DVP and we miss the P&amp;M  

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How about this for the by-laws?
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"One BOD position will be reserved for the NSRCA member who has made the most public complaints concerning NSRCA business in the last calendar year. This member will be appointed, without vote or possiblity of appeal, to the Board of Directors and made Point Man for all future BOD business that affects the membership."
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"So Say We All" (Any BSG fans out there?)
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OK, on a serious note. I think that the big uproar was caused by the "short notice" given to the NSRCA population concerning such a major change to the rules. Yes, I know that these rules cycles have been published for a long time, but the average competitor just wants to fly in contests, not get dragged into the administrative side of things.
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Perhaps it would be better to prepare a method to get possible rule changes in front of the membership thru the K-Factor, mailing list, ect. for a year or a few months and give us more time to P &amp; M and vet the proposals.
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I'd still probably ignore them until right before the vote anyway, but it looks good on paper?
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I deleted the offending post, as you can all see.

I have also escalated this up a bit. Please be patient.

CGr.

CGr - Thanks for taking care of us.

For all, if you wish to report a post, use the "Report" link at the bottom right of each post. Just click on "Report" and add some information about a post. Please don't be shy about what you report. No one other than the assigned Moderator (usually the forum Mod, which is me) and the Community Manager are interested in what is put there. Other mods can see what's there, but most have their own forums to manage.

Hope that helps.

CGr.

Dang it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what did I miss what did I miss ?....ARHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! work sucks I miss all the fun darnit!!!!!!!!



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You missed our long-suffering Troll get smacked between the eyes with the Ban-Hammer.
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If Y'all would just click that little red hand at the bottom of his posts, he would eventually go away . . .
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you must tell all... Did we out the troll??

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No, but like Keith, it depends on who you are trying to defame, undermine and/or destroy..............Any other questions?

Do that, but please, also click on the "Report" link and let us know when he starts up again so we can get rid of his offensive posts.

But, also, be advised that we are working on the problem.

CGr.

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   Today I received the following threatening e-mail from Mr. Everett Carpenter - AKA "wattsup"

<div class="gE iv gt"><table class="cf gJ" cellpadding="0" height="46" width="413"><tr class="acZ"><td class="gF gK"><table class="cf ix" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><div class="iw"><font color="#FF0000" size="4"><span class="gD">Everette Carpenter</span> <span class="go">[email protected]</span></font> </div></td></tr></table></td><td class="gH">
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</font></td><td class="gH acX" rowspan="2"><div class="T-I J-J5-Ji T-I-Js-IF aaq T-I-ax7 L3" title="Reply" role="button" tabindex="0"><font color="#FF0000" size="4"></font></div><div id=":130" class="T-I J-J5-Ji T-I-Js-Gs aap T-I-awG T-I-ax7 L3" title="More" role="button" tabindex="0"><font color="#FF0000" size="4"></font></div></td></tr><tr class="acZ SxTmFb"><td colspan="3"><table class="cf adz" cellpadding="0"><tr><td class="ady"><div class="iw ajw"><font color="#FF0000" size="4"><span class="hb">to <span class="g2">me</span> </span></font></div><div class="ajy"><font color="#FF0000" size="4"></font></div></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></div><div id=":13q"><font color="#FF0000" size="4">Keith, you are just not smart enough to know when to shut your smart-ass mouth. Keep running it and see what happens.......</font>

Is there anything is the RCU rules to prevent this sort of behavior?   I would also like to know if there is any way to spread word to the pattern community in general.  It is obvious that Mr. Carpenter is an unstable and possibly violent individual and I would hate to see some unfortunate incident in the future that could possibly be prevented. 


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Keith: All I can say is that we are working on the problem. I've sent him and RCKen PM's about his attitude and will continue to do so as long as he is acting as he is.

Please understand that we are working on the problem.

CGr.

Everett
I think for your own health and well being that this is a good decision. I mean this in all sincerity as we have agreed on some issues in the past.
Dick

Thanks Dick, I've always considered you a friend and hope to fly and hang out with you in the future. As I said, before I chose to delete the above responses, I really have reached the saturation point and feel that it's time for me to take a break. CGRetired has been more than kind and understanding and I understand his situation and responsibilites to all of us. Keep in mind, I am making this choice and am not being driven out or suspended. As an old wise man once said, "you have to know your limitations", I feel that it's time to exit, so with that in mind I wish you all the best and if I can ever help anyone, please feel free to email me ([email protected]). Again, I'd like to thank you, Chris M and Mike M for always being a true friend in my time of need. Take care of yourselves, Everette

And here is more threatening e-mails from Mr. Carpenter. . .


<div class="gE iv gt"><table class="cf gJ" cellpadding="0"><tr class="acZ"><td class="gF gK"><table class="cf ix" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><div class="iw"><font color="#FF0000" size="4"><span class="gD">Everette Carpenter</span> <span class="go">[email protected]</span></font> </div></td></tr></table></td><td class="gH"><div class="gK"><font color="#FF0000" size="4"><span></span><span id=":hr" class="g3" title="Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 7:46 AM" alt="Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 7:46 AM">7:46 AM (9 minutes ago)</span></font><div class="lHQn1d" tabindex="-1" role="checkbox" style="outline: 0pt none;"><font color="#FF0000" size="4"><span class="T-KT"></span></font></div></div></td><td class="gH"><font color="#FF0000" size="4"><br type="_moz"/></font></td><td class="gH acX" rowspan="2"><div class="T-I J-J5-Ji T-I-Js-IF aaq T-I-ax7 L3" title="Reply" role="button" tabindex="0"><font color="#FF0000" size="4"></font></div><div id=":es" class="T-I J-J5-Ji T-I-Js-Gs aap T-I-awG T-I-ax7 L3" title="More" role="button" tabindex="0"><font color="#FF0000" size="4"></font></div></td></tr><tr class="acZ SxTmFb"><td colspan="3"><table class="cf adz" cellpadding="0"><tr><td class="ady"><div class="iw ajw"><font color="#FF0000" size="4"><span class="hb">to <span class="g2">me</span> </span></font></div><div class="ajy"><font color="#FF0000" size="4"></font></div></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></div><font color="#FF0000" size="4">Well Capt. Courageous, why don't you stand up and give us all a testimonial about how it feels to OVERREACT and then we'll all gather in a circle, join hands and let you lead us in a "GROUP WHINE"! Never forget: You can Block but You Can't Hide!</font>

No Everette, but I can let everyone on the planet see what an ASS you are:

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</div><div class="gE iv gt"><table class="cf gJ" cellpadding="0"><tr class="acZ"><td class="gF gK"><table class="cf ix" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><div class="iw"><font color="#FF0000" size="4"><span class="gD">Everette Carpenter</span> <span class="go">[email protected]</span></font> </div></td></tr></table></td><td class="gH"><div class="gK"><font color="#FF0000" size="4"><span></span><span id=":jq" class="g3" title="Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 8:35 AM" alt="Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 8:35 AM">8:35 AM (30 minutes ago)</span></font><div class="lHQn1d" tabindex="-1" role="checkbox" style="outline: 0pt none;"><font color="#FF0000" size="4"><span class="T-KT"></span></font></div></div></td><td class="gH"><font color="#FF0000" size="4"><br type="_moz"/></font></td><td class="gH acX" rowspan="2"><div class="T-I J-J5-Ji T-I-Js-IF aaq T-I-ax7 L3" title="Reply" role="button" tabindex="0"><font color="#FF0000" size="4"></font></div><div id=":j5" class="T-I J-J5-Ji T-I-Js-Gs aap T-I-awG T-I-ax7 L3" title="More" role="button" tabindex="0"><font color="#FF0000" size="4"></font></div></td></tr><tr class="acZ SxTmFb"><td colspan="3"><table class="cf adz" cellpadding="0"><tr><td class="ady"><div class="iw ajw"><font color="#FF0000" size="4"><span class="hb">to <span class="g2">me</span> </span></font></div><div class="ajy"><font color="#FF0000" size="4"></font></div></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></div><font color="#FF0000" size="4">another "threatening e mail"? You need to face the fact the the RCU Moderator CAN NOT help you! Any other suggestions?</font>
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Good grief Is that guy bi-polar or something? He is definitely missing something.

Well, we handled his access to the forums quite easily, however, it looks like perhaps something you will have to do with regard to his personal attacks via Email. I can only suggest that you use your Email service provider and block his Email address.

The best thing to do is simply ignore his Emails and not give him anywhere to go with it. Sooner or later, he will get tired of the behavior and simply stop. Don't give him the avenue to attempt to close things (the thread) down here.

He cannot post anywhere now without approval from the Mods (ME and Ken).

If he does it (sends Emails) through RCU, though, perhaps something can be done. I'll ask Ken.

CGr.