New Pattern Plane?
07-06-2004 | 10:06 PM
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New Pattern Plane?
Found this in the Marketplace and was wondering if anyone had any exp or info on it?
Looks pretty sharp and the price is unreal.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemId=39407
Looks pretty sharp and the price is unreal.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemId=39407
07-07-2004 | 05:39 PM
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RE: New Pattern Plane?
I don't think you can go too wrong for $100. After some people get some flying and if they like them, I would like to get one. I have a enough spare stuff laying around the house. 
07-08-2004 | 07:22 AM
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RE: New Pattern Plane?
Almost seems too good to be true - anybody purchased from this person/business before? I would sure like to hear about the transaction and the quality of the airplane.
Thanks,
Scott.
Thanks,
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07-08-2004 | 11:51 PM
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RE: New Pattern Plane?
Hi guys, I am the seller of this airplane. I am going to get a plane to DiabloKid and have him do a informal review. Stay tuned. Any questions please call or e-mail me.
07-13-2004 | 11:59 PM
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RE: New Pattern Plane?
I bought this plane when it was being sold on ebay, as well as a friend of mine. We both like it very well.
I set mine up with a O.S. .46FX mounted inverted using a 11X5 prop, Futaba R127DF RX, 4.8V 2,000 mAh Battery,
and standard Futaba servos 4/3004 (E,R,Ail's) 1/3003 (T). Total weight was 5.5 lbs. dry. It came with all the hardware needed
to finish it to include a pull pull system for the rudder, push rods with clevises and control horns.
My friend set his up with a .40 size engine and soon decided to change his power plant due to poor vertical performance.
He upgraded to a .61 size engine, but he has some nose heavy issues now. He mentioned doing away with the pull pull and
mounting the rudder servo in the rear to help with balancing.
Once mine was trimmed, I flew knife edge from one end of the runway to the other with no coupling at all.
Vertical was unlimited but a little slow. Landings are a little fast but nothing a past-the-trainer pilot can't handle.
Snaps are fast and look very violent. I had one deadstick that was not close enough to the runway and had to land in tall grass.
It broke the gear mounting ply plate out of the frame and folded the gear under the wing. I had to take the front part of the fuse
apart and rebuild that area, not a big deal. Same thing happened to my friends as well. A thicker and larger piece of ply needs
to be used in this area to prevent this from happening. I decided to loose the wheel pants and go with a little larger wheels in
case that were to happen again.
I had a friend of mine who flies some 3D, fly it. He had it hovering and torque rolling. It is a great plane to fly pattern with
even some 3D on high rates if that is your forte. I would suggest this plane to anyone if they are wanting to get started in pattern with out having to make a huge investment.
I set mine up with a O.S. .46FX mounted inverted using a 11X5 prop, Futaba R127DF RX, 4.8V 2,000 mAh Battery,
and standard Futaba servos 4/3004 (E,R,Ail's) 1/3003 (T). Total weight was 5.5 lbs. dry. It came with all the hardware needed
to finish it to include a pull pull system for the rudder, push rods with clevises and control horns.
My friend set his up with a .40 size engine and soon decided to change his power plant due to poor vertical performance.
He upgraded to a .61 size engine, but he has some nose heavy issues now. He mentioned doing away with the pull pull and
mounting the rudder servo in the rear to help with balancing.
Once mine was trimmed, I flew knife edge from one end of the runway to the other with no coupling at all.
Vertical was unlimited but a little slow. Landings are a little fast but nothing a past-the-trainer pilot can't handle.
Snaps are fast and look very violent. I had one deadstick that was not close enough to the runway and had to land in tall grass.
It broke the gear mounting ply plate out of the frame and folded the gear under the wing. I had to take the front part of the fuse
apart and rebuild that area, not a big deal. Same thing happened to my friends as well. A thicker and larger piece of ply needs
to be used in this area to prevent this from happening. I decided to loose the wheel pants and go with a little larger wheels in
case that were to happen again.
I had a friend of mine who flies some 3D, fly it. He had it hovering and torque rolling. It is a great plane to fly pattern with
even some 3D on high rates if that is your forte. I would suggest this plane to anyone if they are wanting to get started in pattern with out having to make a huge investment.
07-20-2004 | 08:00 AM
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RE: New Pattern Plane?
I went ahead and ordered this airplane. Sent a MO and in under a week the airplane was sitting on my front step when I got home from work (great, quick shipping). The airplane is in perfect shape, no dings or scratches from shipping. Will use the supplied hardware and give a report in about a week or so when it's assembled. Will post pics if anyone is interested too.
Scott.
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07-20-2004 | 02:01 PM
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RE: New Pattern Plane?
Well I'm very impressed!
Does anyone have a photo of the inside of the radio set-up and basic interior of the plane? A buddy of mine gave me a NIB OS .46 FX and I have about 25 servos laying around.
Omaha_RC_Flyer, how was the vertical with the .46? I know you said the plane hovered, but does it have good vertical penetration with that motor setup? I think I will have a set-up very close to yours, alot of the extra servos I have are Futaba 3004's. I might opt for a 720 mAh Expert NiMh, I don't even run 2000 mAh on my 2m. I'm assuming you are running a NiMh, a 2000 mAh NiCd would be awfully heavy for that airplane.
Does anyone have a photo of the inside of the radio set-up and basic interior of the plane? A buddy of mine gave me a NIB OS .46 FX and I have about 25 servos laying around.
Omaha_RC_Flyer, how was the vertical with the .46? I know you said the plane hovered, but does it have good vertical penetration with that motor setup? I think I will have a set-up very close to yours, alot of the extra servos I have are Futaba 3004's. I might opt for a 720 mAh Expert NiMh, I don't even run 2000 mAh on my 2m. I'm assuming you are running a NiMh, a 2000 mAh NiCd would be awfully heavy for that airplane.
07-20-2004 | 02:15 PM
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RE: New Pattern Plane?
I have this plane bought when it was on Ebay. I am planning on putting a Saito 72 in it with the elevator and rudder servos mounted in the rear (the plane already has cutouts for it, just cut away the covering). The covering is done really nice with very little smoothing of the covering needed. I may have some balance isues with the 72, but i think I can overcome that. Every thing fits perfect. The instruction are very lacking (just pictures) but it is such an easy plane to assemble that they are not really needed. I should maiden this plane next weekend and I'll let you know how this set up works out. again saito 7s, standard Futaba flight pack with 9C transmitter. It should fly nice I am loosing the wheel pant in favor of larger wheels as we fly off grass
Terry
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07-20-2004 | 03:19 PM
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Acroman330,
I was able to fly sportsman with it. As I mentioned earlier vertical is unlimited but slower
than say a 2M plane with a YS 1.40. It's a great plane for sportsman, but I would upgrade to
a different plane upon entering intermediate class.
It's a 2000 mAh NiMh, I was able to fly all afternoon on one charge. I probably won't use anything
other than this size pack from now on.
TTARK,
I agree with you on instructions issue. You may have some balance issues to work out.
There should be no problems with vertical performance with that engine set up. Let us know what you think.
Omaha_RC_Flyer
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I was able to fly sportsman with it. As I mentioned earlier vertical is unlimited but slower
than say a 2M plane with a YS 1.40. It's a great plane for sportsman, but I would upgrade to
a different plane upon entering intermediate class.
It's a 2000 mAh NiMh, I was able to fly all afternoon on one charge. I probably won't use anything
other than this size pack from now on.
TTARK,
I agree with you on instructions issue. You may have some balance issues to work out.
There should be no problems with vertical performance with that engine set up. Let us know what you think.
Omaha_RC_Flyer
Club Website [link=http://www.omahawks.org]www.omahawks.org[/link]
07-20-2004 | 04:11 PM
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kingdom802,
Try this link below.
[link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemId=39407]http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemId=39407[/link]
Omaha_RC_Flyer
Try this link below.
[link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemId=39407]http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemId=39407[/link]
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07-21-2004 | 04:49 PM
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RE: New Pattern Plane?
TTARK,
I agree with you on instructions issue. You may have some balance issues to work out.
There should be no problems with vertical performance with that engine set up. Let us know what you think.
Omaha_RC_Flyer
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I agree with the weight thing, but my thoughts are to mix up a sludge of shotgun pellets and epoxy and drop into the tail throught the servo openings, keeps every thing neet and nor holes to cut to add the weight
Terry
I agree with you on instructions issue. You may have some balance issues to work out.
There should be no problems with vertical performance with that engine set up. Let us know what you think.
Omaha_RC_Flyer
Club Website [link=http://www.omahawks.org]www.omahawks.org[/link]
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I agree with the weight thing, but my thoughts are to mix up a sludge of shotgun pellets and epoxy and drop into the tail throught the servo openings, keeps every thing neet and nor holes to cut to add the weight
Terry
07-22-2004 | 06:42 AM
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TTARK,
Cool idea! I see no problem in why that would not work. I'll remember that for future reference
if I ever have that issue.
Thanks,
Omaha_RC_Flyer
Cool idea! I see no problem in why that would not work. I'll remember that for future reference
if I ever have that issue.
Thanks,
Omaha_RC_Flyer
07-22-2004 | 01:02 PM
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RE: New Pattern Plane?
Hi Folks
I have just flown my Fascination. I fly pattern ships this is a great flying airplane. The only thing I had problems with is the land gear block. If you have some time I would beef up that area because it is weak. If you have a tough landing the gear is going to depart the airplane. Also the engine mounting system was a little tough because you had to line it up with the cowl there was no guide holes in the fire wall. I put a ys 53 on the airplane.
It trimmed out very easy.
The airplane is great for a beginner in pattern. It would work great in sportsman classes.
The plane flies true and straight. The starting throws are right on for my like.
Ron
I have just flown my Fascination. I fly pattern ships this is a great flying airplane. The only thing I had problems with is the land gear block. If you have some time I would beef up that area because it is weak. If you have a tough landing the gear is going to depart the airplane. Also the engine mounting system was a little tough because you had to line it up with the cowl there was no guide holes in the fire wall. I put a ys 53 on the airplane.
It trimmed out very easy.
The airplane is great for a beginner in pattern. It would work great in sportsman classes.
The plane flies true and straight. The starting throws are right on for my like.
Ron
07-29-2004 | 02:46 PM
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RE: New Pattern Plane?
Hi guys
Got mine today. All safe and sound. I am at work so I can only give first impressions.
Packing is good, no damage. Shipped UPS and box was a little dinged but plane is OK.
Hardware looks complete.
Covering job is among the best I have seen so far. Very few wrinkles or miscues. Will be able to see more when I get it out of the plastic.
Cowl and wheel pants are plastic. Color match looks good so far, see above.
Instructions have a little more information than what is described above but you will need to call on your prior building experience as you assemble the airplane.
I have an OS71FSII slated for the airplane and just bought 5 of the new Futaba S3151 digital servos for it. Will mount the radio last and use it to get a proper center of gravity but don't foresee a major balance problem. May have to mount the rudder servo in the tail along with the elevator servos.
I will let you know how it goes.
Got mine today. All safe and sound. I am at work so I can only give first impressions.
Packing is good, no damage. Shipped UPS and box was a little dinged but plane is OK.
Hardware looks complete.
Covering job is among the best I have seen so far. Very few wrinkles or miscues. Will be able to see more when I get it out of the plastic.
Cowl and wheel pants are plastic. Color match looks good so far, see above.
Instructions have a little more information than what is described above but you will need to call on your prior building experience as you assemble the airplane.
I have an OS71FSII slated for the airplane and just bought 5 of the new Futaba S3151 digital servos for it. Will mount the radio last and use it to get a proper center of gravity but don't foresee a major balance problem. May have to mount the rudder servo in the tail along with the elevator servos.
I will let you know how it goes.
07-29-2004 | 04:04 PM
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RE: New Pattern Plane?
I got mine built, with a Saito 72, I had to add weight to the front to get it to balance at 115 mm. This is about the ins say 104 to 120 mm si I went about two thirds back and had to add weight to get it to balance I have both servos in the rear and I really thought I would need to add weight in the rear. The Saito is a tight fit I had to mount it inverted instead of at an angle like the instructions show. This is a great flying plane I have not cut the cowl yet as I like to trim the plane with the cowl off in case any thrust angles need to be changes. You will like this plane, The only other complaint I have is the covering is not the best quality in the world. I came nice and tight, but I spilled just a little CA on it and it took the color right off, So I will cover the spot with some monley coat Other than that it is a great plane. I also got rid of the control rods, due to them being pre cut and not to my liking, they seem very strong though. I did not use the pull pull system as I put both servos in the rear
Have a good one.
PS Diable you are hereby invited to join NVRC for the annual pattern contest in August
Terry
Have a good one.
PS Diable you are hereby invited to join NVRC for the annual pattern contest in August
Terry
07-30-2004 | 09:48 AM
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I've got 10 flights in on mine so far -
The cowl is fiberglass but very thin. I mounted my .45 sideways with a pitts style muffler then added a layer of glass cloth to the entire inside to reinforce the cowl. I had to cut a lot of the cowl out of one side in order to fit it this way and felt the extra layer of glass cloth would limit the inevitable cracking.
I needed to build a 1 inch extension motor mount box in order to have the thrust washer and spinner clear the cowl.
I mounted both the elevator and rudder in the cutouts near the rear of the fuse. For balancing I used a heavy brass nut underneath the spinner to hold the prop on. Battery is mounted just behind the fuel tank.
I reinforced the wing mounting plate with some 1/4 inch aircraft plywood on both the wing and in the fuse. I then used a brass 1/4 x 20 insert and used a nylon bolt to hold the wing on the fuse.
Used 3 inch wheels due to I fly off grass.
The first flight was a bit hairy as it needed a lot of left aileron and up trim. I may have a warp in the wing? - not noticable to the eye. Now that the airplane is trimmed it flys nice and solid. Knife edges with a bit of pull to the canapy. Inverted with hardly any down pressure. Rolls are nice and straight (axial I think is what they say). Still pulls a bit to the left on uplines even with the right thrust built into the firewall. Stall turns are easy with that big rudder. Slows down without snapping at all. Not unlimited vertical - could use a bit more motor - maybe a .52?
Anyway I have some pics of the assembly (if anyone is interested) and all in all I think this is an excellent airplane for either starting pattern or just boring holes in the sky.
Scott.
The cowl is fiberglass but very thin. I mounted my .45 sideways with a pitts style muffler then added a layer of glass cloth to the entire inside to reinforce the cowl. I had to cut a lot of the cowl out of one side in order to fit it this way and felt the extra layer of glass cloth would limit the inevitable cracking.
I needed to build a 1 inch extension motor mount box in order to have the thrust washer and spinner clear the cowl.
I mounted both the elevator and rudder in the cutouts near the rear of the fuse. For balancing I used a heavy brass nut underneath the spinner to hold the prop on. Battery is mounted just behind the fuel tank.
I reinforced the wing mounting plate with some 1/4 inch aircraft plywood on both the wing and in the fuse. I then used a brass 1/4 x 20 insert and used a nylon bolt to hold the wing on the fuse.
Used 3 inch wheels due to I fly off grass.
The first flight was a bit hairy as it needed a lot of left aileron and up trim. I may have a warp in the wing? - not noticable to the eye. Now that the airplane is trimmed it flys nice and solid. Knife edges with a bit of pull to the canapy. Inverted with hardly any down pressure. Rolls are nice and straight (axial I think is what they say). Still pulls a bit to the left on uplines even with the right thrust built into the firewall. Stall turns are easy with that big rudder. Slows down without snapping at all. Not unlimited vertical - could use a bit more motor - maybe a .52?
Anyway I have some pics of the assembly (if anyone is interested) and all in all I think this is an excellent airplane for either starting pattern or just boring holes in the sky.
Scott.
07-30-2004 | 10:39 AM
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RE: New Pattern Plane?
Hi
Please post your pictures. Does anyone have pics of a reinforced landing gear mount?
Got mine out of the box last night and am really impressed. I definitely have to shrink the covering in places but there are not nearly as many as some of the more expensive ARF's I have seen or built.
Tail feathers seem very heavy which will help balancing my 71FS.
Weakness is still the instructions, had a chance to do an in depth review and believe that an inexperienced modeler would have problems.
Overall I am very pleased with the airplane so far.
Please post your pictures. Does anyone have pics of a reinforced landing gear mount?
Got mine out of the box last night and am really impressed. I definitely have to shrink the covering in places but there are not nearly as many as some of the more expensive ARF's I have seen or built.
Tail feathers seem very heavy which will help balancing my 71FS.
Weakness is still the instructions, had a chance to do an in depth review and believe that an inexperienced modeler would have problems.
Overall I am very pleased with the airplane so far.
07-30-2004 | 10:59 AM
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hey gang
I just got mine and wont be able to build it for another 2 weeks or so. Weekends will be busy but I will update when I get done with a report and pics.
Thanks for the invite Terry. Please email if you have a moment with the details of the event I would love to attend. I will PM you my info
regards
matt n
I just got mine and wont be able to build it for another 2 weeks or so. Weekends will be busy but I will update when I get done with a report and pics.
Thanks for the invite Terry. Please email if you have a moment with the details of the event I would love to attend. I will PM you my info
regards
matt n
08-10-2004 | 10:30 AM
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ORIGINAL: afra
I've got 10 flights in on mine so far -
The cowl is fiberglass but very thin. I mounted my .45 sideways with a pitts style muffler then added a layer of glass cloth to the entire inside to reinforce the cowl. I had to cut a lot of the cowl out of one side in order to fit it this way and felt the extra layer of glass cloth would limit the inevitable cracking.
I needed to build a 1 inch extension motor mount box in order to have the thrust washer and spinner clear the cowl.
I mounted both the elevator and rudder in the cutouts near the rear of the fuse. For balancing I used a heavy brass nut underneath the spinner to hold the prop on. Battery is mounted just behind the fuel tank.
I reinforced the wing mounting plate with some 1/4 inch aircraft plywood on both the wing and in the fuse. I then used a brass 1/4 x 20 insert and used a nylon bolt to hold the wing on the fuse.
Used 3 inch wheels due to I fly off grass.
The first flight was a bit hairy as it needed a lot of left aileron and up trim. I may have a warp in the wing? - not noticable to the eye. Now that the airplane is trimmed it flys nice and solid. Knife edges with a bit of pull to the canapy. Inverted with hardly any down pressure. Rolls are nice and straight (axial I think is what they say). Still pulls a bit to the left on uplines even with the right thrust built into the firewall. Stall turns are easy with that big rudder. Slows down without snapping at all. Not unlimited vertical - could use a bit more motor - maybe a .52?
Anyway I have some pics of the assembly (if anyone is interested) and all in all I think this is an excellent airplane for either starting pattern or just boring holes in the sky.
Scott.
I've got 10 flights in on mine so far -
The cowl is fiberglass but very thin. I mounted my .45 sideways with a pitts style muffler then added a layer of glass cloth to the entire inside to reinforce the cowl. I had to cut a lot of the cowl out of one side in order to fit it this way and felt the extra layer of glass cloth would limit the inevitable cracking.
I needed to build a 1 inch extension motor mount box in order to have the thrust washer and spinner clear the cowl.
I mounted both the elevator and rudder in the cutouts near the rear of the fuse. For balancing I used a heavy brass nut underneath the spinner to hold the prop on. Battery is mounted just behind the fuel tank.
I reinforced the wing mounting plate with some 1/4 inch aircraft plywood on both the wing and in the fuse. I then used a brass 1/4 x 20 insert and used a nylon bolt to hold the wing on the fuse.
Used 3 inch wheels due to I fly off grass.
The first flight was a bit hairy as it needed a lot of left aileron and up trim. I may have a warp in the wing? - not noticable to the eye. Now that the airplane is trimmed it flys nice and solid. Knife edges with a bit of pull to the canapy. Inverted with hardly any down pressure. Rolls are nice and straight (axial I think is what they say). Still pulls a bit to the left on uplines even with the right thrust built into the firewall. Stall turns are easy with that big rudder. Slows down without snapping at all. Not unlimited vertical - could use a bit more motor - maybe a .52?
Anyway I have some pics of the assembly (if anyone is interested) and all in all I think this is an excellent airplane for either starting pattern or just boring holes in the sky.
Scott.
thanks
matt
