David, looking at the hit list for this thread and the handful of replies from mostly the same people, I'd say most of the other trolls are right there with ya!

I think this started out as another BM love fest and seems to have kinda got lost in it's own juices , I must admit tho, It's been great trolling this thread witnessing fellow modellers *****in like school yard hero's, keep it up guy's, this is really entertaining!

FWIW, I really like both the looks and the "homebrew" aspect of the BM series of airframes, the level of input from it's designer is to be respected. Having said that, sometimes it's better to not say anything than to try and shout the loudest, if you get what I mean.......................................

Better go get me some more popcorn during the interval.......BRB

I was thinking straight up LSD, MK Ultra......lots and lots of sugar cubes...

The colors!!!!!!

Argueing this with Cees is like argueing about purple leprechauns. I'll pass.

I appreciate the compliments on the plane, but after the blimp, this thread took a turn for the bizarre.

-M

Ahh yes, the obligatory "I'm so above all of this but I'll remark anyway so people can see just how MUCH better I am" post. Took long enough

If you aren't the subject of hateful remarks, you aren't doing much. Welcome to the real world! I love my life. Nothing makes me happier than knowing how many people HATE me and everything I stand for. The close second would have to be the (always predictable) posts about how entertaining the carnage is, and how the poster is soooooo far above it all it's suprising he's not bumping his head on sattelites. *ahem*?

FWIW, I stopped trying to shout a long time ago. Right about the same time I stopped giving a flying f*** what my toy airplane "image" was. Hence why I rarely post nowadays. The questions have been answered, the jury is IN. Nada to prove. Nothing left but a lot of love from the owners, and a lot of hate from elsewhere. if you think I somehow orchestrate these type of posts (I've heard that before), you have no idea how wrong you are. I know how it's going to end before it ever begins.

I can't, and won't stop people from posting how much they like the plane. It's not the worst problem to have, now is it? I'll keep on saying thank you and keep on getting hateful remarks. And responding however I feel at the moment. If you have never been on the recieving end of this crap, don't even try to think you have any answers. I tried them all, they don't work. I just laugh and say what I want. I'm very happy it entertains the uber high class (obviously inherently "better") people of this world. And keeps the haters up at night thinking of new ways to come at me

After all, I am OBVIOUSLY such a threat to the established order of toy planes that it warrants this much attention. [8D]

Wait a minute....isn't it about time for some of the usual suspects to start up some anonymous slander under an assumed name? I'm guessing that's next.

Or perhaps Mr Neutral is due to come in with "stop this we don't want to read crap like this" as the view count rises despite his assertions.....

Or maybe the conspiracy nut makes an appearance....the guy who just SWEARS I somehow orchestrated all of this from the very beginning (I am busy remodeling my secret underground volcano lair, so no time for that right now).

Another day on RCU. Love, hate, jealousy, compliments, know-it-alls, and plenty of popcorn.

I love my job [8D]

-Mikey

Mike,
There of course is no any doubt about the quality of your plane, we all know. I only was triggered by that first post,
For who is interested, I did make an description in my thread:

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9164004

Redesign and reconstruction of the Oldest Taurus on Earth.


Success Cees

No it wouldn't be off topic . . the topic of this thread is "I cannot dispute this statement". You have just made a NEW statement . . although, possibly disputable . .

Cheers, JB

....weird ? This is weird :
Make me a promise Mike ! : ¨Carry on for ever......Never stop or doubt for smaller opinions than your own. Make us the best design of the world. Go on and on."
I envy you for your skill and quest .....

Eggert

I think some of you need to be mindful of Mike’s experiences with the Troy Newman saga…. He alluded to it in one of his replies. Perhaps then you will understand why Mike is so passionate about defending his product and company.

Regards
Jason.

Can I come to your Volcano when ur done remodeling?????



gary

There was this plane called the Taurus. It was ahead of its time. I can't disbute this statement. We are now full circle.

I once drove up to a flying field in Knoxville, TN. Do as the Romans do. SPA international event wrapping up. I pulled out my 42% Extra 300 and started to fly through the Senior Super pattern. One of the pilots said, hey, you should try pattern. I thought that was a great complement. I told him, I may try flying pattern some day. So he called the maneuvers and I flew through them without delay. I then landed the Extra plane and they let me fly one of the Taurus (or such) planes in the Super Senior class maneuvers. No mixes on the radios, just 4 channels. This pilot would shoot anyone who dared enter mixes. It would destroy the nastagia. All the aerodynamics were made for speed, and as much speed as one could muster. It was fun and challenging to fly, no different than P-11 from the "think forward and move stick" perspective. There has been progression in pattern designs. Next major milestone was Hanno with the tuned muffler. We entered the Jet age with ballistics. Look at the EU-1, now that as an F-4 down to the nose inlets. Then came and idea of turnaround. That changed everything with regard to speed, and designs soon followed. Tony Frakowiak's Challenge. Now we looked at speed control, although Dave Brown flew very constant in AMA style a that time. 4 Cycle engines were introduced to swing larger props at slower airspeeds. The next major step was rolling loop and circle maneuvers. The FOCUS would get through but the trend was toward constant speed and radius. Larger fuselages and other devices followed, tips, cantalizers, and the such. You see Seba and the props, electrics and many variations, in the theme for displaying the best picture to the judges. Now with the P-11 and F-11 moving things out a bit past 150, with greater speed and the VF3 looks and flies attractive. I stumbled across some claims on this website called custom airframes. I read through them to disbute but could not. It's been a great trip down memory lane. Many Cheers, Don

Don,

We are back on the basic, I want to fly 50 miles every hour.
Constant speed is what I need to win, and for that I need the power.
The most important fact of the control loop is the gain
not to generate drag, but for exact speed to maintain.


Thanks,

Cees

a lot to consider there Don. nicely said.

You are always welcome in the underground volcano lair!!!!!

I'll plead guilty to being a little sensitive. I am still pretty raw from that "other" experience. I survived while a lot of others didn't. And still to this day certain people won't wear a dragon on thier shirt or even put CAA or even "Black Magic" on thier plane. Some have distanced themselves from me due to the carnage associated with that (that one is blatantly obvious isn't it? Hint: look around). Divide and conquer, and it's effective.

I can only apologize to the guys that have to get it because I won't just be quiet and take it. I learned long ago that if I did, I'd be gone. And I'm not going away. But it does get old.

Cees, I don't think was intentionally trolling me personally. I believe that he really believes what he writes. I also believe he's so caught up in his own "thing" that he doesn't fully understand that what we're doing isn't the same thing he's doing. Don outlined that pretty well. The prop is only a VERY small part of the equation. The fuselage area and shape, balance of all the areas to make the plane "fly" in KE attitude, are all critical. Turbulence was one of the very first factors I worked on before the VF3 ever flew. So argueing it would be pointless, it's a "problem" that doesn't exist.

The only part that got under my skin was I have been away (and under the weather a bit)...I come back, see where I have been complimented, and yet again someone has dragged the whole thing into neverland. before I can even say a simple "thank you". Again. Then come the guys who just love to see me in pain for thier entertainment. Same old same old. I get to feeling like a porcupine with all the knives sticking out of me. I learned to feed off of it a long time ago as a survival mechanism. It's 6:00 am and I'm eating chemo like candy, and I have to deal with this BS yet again. It's getting old.

I won't make that promise. I've been 2 seconds from just walking away many times before, and I won't promise that one day the BS won't outweigh the reward. I usually have no problem focusing all of the friends I have (LOTS thankfully,) and the good stuff. But some days the BS is so tiresome it's not worth it. You try it....you wake up and realize some of the people you considered your best friends now won't even associate themselves with you because they are so afraid of getting something splashed on them too. That leaves me in one hell of a spot. I can stay quiet and go under, and it's all over. Or I can defend myself when I feel it necessary, and incur the wrath of sadistic *******s the world over. You choose.

I'm going back to bed. Thanks again for the compliments and words of support, and the rest of the jerks can fry in hell.

-M

Cees, I am just a bit curious about how your system works.
Surely you realise that "constant speed" in F3A is relative to the ground and not measured airspeed?
So aiming for 50 mph constant speed in a 20 mph wind, you want to fly 70 mph upwind and 30 mph downwind.
How is your pitot tube helping?

Magne

Post removed, was "off topic"

Magne,

You can find your answer in my own thread,
I cannot make a direct link yet, search for post 624 on this page.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_79...25/key_/tm.htm


Taurus Flyer

Hey go ahead Mike, take a pop why don't ya, It's ok, I have broad shoulders!

Interesting you missed out my genuine compliments in your little spat, ata boy

Ya see Mike, I'm in business too and the early lesson I learned was that ya can't make a negative any better by adding negativity to it, you have to take the negative and turn it around to positive. Just read my signature, you'll soon understand!

Oh, and one more thing, I gave my soapbox away many years ago, my feet are much better whilst placed firmly on the ground

Mike,

There are those of us who know and support you and your planes, then there are others who for whatever reason need to disparage anything but what they endorse.

Don't let the trolls drag you down to their level.

Pete

Thread was cleaned up and put back on subject.

I'll try this again......

THANK YOU GUYS!

Nuff said.

-M

Hey Mike,
I understand how thicker airfoils work, but what is the principle behind thicker trailing edges? I think Dave Von Linsowe (maybe somebody else) experimented with thicker TEs at least 10 years ago. The TE was actually thicker than the surface immediately in front of it.
Regards,
Will B.

Interesting, that....

I don't know the Xs and Os of it, except it creates a bit of a seperation and drag there. I know what the effects are. It helps smooth out the choppy bumps in severe turbulence. It also acts like expo, helps keeping the wings "feeling" centered and set.

Of course, if you go too far, bad things happen. What exactly can depend on way too many variables to list, but the first thing I noticed was snaps got a little more difficult to nail fast and accurately. Like it took more to stall the wing to induce the snap.

But, if you play with the airfoil thickness you can tweak that part too. To a certain extent.

I noticed one designer (Hebert) using a tapered angle trailing edge. That's pretty interesting to me.

Back to the thick TE, the late Jim Ivey and I did some field tests on this. We flew at a field notorious for bumpy turbulence above the trees. Our planes were bumping around quite a bit. Bruce Thoman had an (Osmose?) with thick TEs and it didn't exhibit this particular trait. (May it RIP). We then glued some stock to the TEs of one of Jim's planes and tried it out....and it worked. Been using a form of it ever since. The only question is how much, and where.

-M