ARF Pattern Planes in 2 meter size
07-27-2010 | 07:29 PM
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RE: ARF Pattern Planes in 2 meter size
While it would be technically 'wrong', no one weighs airplanes at local contests anyway. Nor do they do sound checks to make sure no one is over the db limits. So, unless you plan on attending the Nats next year, don't worry about it.
There are a lot of 2M planes that would not make the weight limitation. While most are pretty close, no one worries about it locally. Come on out and have fun with us.
Woodie
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There are a lot of 2M planes that would not make the weight limitation. While most are pretty close, no one worries about it locally. Come on out and have fun with us.
Woodie
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07-27-2010 | 07:34 PM
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RE: ARF Pattern Planes in 2 meter size
ORIGINAL: mithrandir
if I show up to fly a pattern contest, are they gonna send me home if my plane weighs 11.5 pounds?
(Like I wouldn't ever fly FAi and no one is gonna loose a trophy cuz of me)
if I show up to fly a pattern contest, are they gonna send me home if my plane weighs 11.5 pounds?
(Like I wouldn't ever fly FAi and no one is gonna loose a trophy cuz of me)
07-27-2010 | 07:34 PM
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RE: ARF Pattern Planes in 2 meter size
I feel obligated to share my first year (this year) story. After entering three contests as a sportsman I am happy about my airplane choice because the airplane really doesn't matter in sportsman. What I did was buy a 2M (ARF) Sword from E-Bay for about $200 NIB and convert it to electric because I decided to fly electric from the get go instead of learning to run big glow. The new improved Sword goes by another name and sells for $300 dollars now days, http://texasrcplanes.com/forcpaai.html , I will guarantee it will do anything in the Sportsman pattern. As a newbie, the precision of the airplane has been the least of my worries. I've been beaten by Aviastar trainers. Just because I have flown Sportsman in a couple contests doesn't make me a pattern pilot. Sportsman is about learning to fly a straight and level line, which I thought was easy until I stood in front of judges and called takeoff. Buy a Sword or whatever else or just use whatever you have, go fly some straight lines with turn arounds. It was a lot harder than I ever imagined.
07-27-2010 | 09:05 PM
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RE: ARF Pattern Planes in 2 meter size
ORIGINAL: Derek.Koopowitz
The Neptuno EP is a true ARF - fully composite and you'll be flying it in 7-8 hours or so. You'll get all the hardware including a motor mount for the 14XL Hacker in order to get you going... price is $2100 delivered to your door.
PM me for details.
The Neptuno EP is a true ARF - fully composite and you'll be flying it in 7-8 hours or so. You'll get all the hardware including a motor mount for the 14XL Hacker in order to get you going... price is $2100 delivered to your door.
PM me for details.
I think the Sebart 110 and other planes like it are a good start. I think it's a shame the current rules make doing an affordable 2 meter ARF so difficult for the manufacturer. I wonder what the original intent of that rule was is for? I think if we could give guys some really nice looking 2m ARFs that didn't break the bank the pattern community would grow. Of course, I may be biased by my new found enthusiasm for pattern flying.
07-27-2010 | 09:12 PM
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I feel obligated to share my first year (this year) story. After entering three contests as a sportsman I am happy about my airplane choice because the airplane really doesn't matter in sportsman. What I did was buy a 2M (ARF) Sword from E-Bay for about $200 NIB and convert it to electric because I decided to fly electric from the get go instead of learning to run big glow. The new improved Sword goes by another name and sells for $300 dollars now days, http://texasrcplanes.com/forcpaai.html , I will guarantee it will do anything in the Sportsman pattern. As a newbie, the precision of the airplane has been the least of my worries. I've been beaten by Aviastar trainers. Just because I have flown Sportsman in a couple contests doesn't make me a pattern pilot. Sportsman is about learning to fly a straight and level line, which I thought was easy until I stood in front of judges and called takeoff. Buy a Sword or whatever else or just use whatever you have, go fly some straight lines with turn arounds. It was a lot harder than I ever imagined.
I feel obligated to share my first year (this year) story. After entering three contests as a sportsman I am happy about my airplane choice because the airplane really doesn't matter in sportsman. What I did was buy a 2M (ARF) Sword from E-Bay for about $200 NIB and convert it to electric because I decided to fly electric from the get go instead of learning to run big glow. The new improved Sword goes by another name and sells for $300 dollars now days, http://texasrcplanes.com/forcpaai.html , I will guarantee it will do anything in the Sportsman pattern. As a newbie, the precision of the airplane has been the least of my worries. I've been beaten by Aviastar trainers. Just because I have flown Sportsman in a couple contests doesn't make me a pattern pilot. Sportsman is about learning to fly a straight and level line, which I thought was easy until I stood in front of judges and called takeoff. Buy a Sword or whatever else or just use whatever you have, go fly some straight lines with turn arounds. It was a lot harder than I ever imagined.
07-27-2010 | 10:18 PM
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RE: ARF Pattern Planes in 2 meter size
ORIGINAL: mithrandir
if I show up to fly a pattern contest, are they gonna send me home if my plane weighs 11.5 pounds?
(Like I wouldn't ever fly FAi and no one is gonna loose a trophy cuz of me)
if I show up to fly a pattern contest, are they gonna send me home if my plane weighs 11.5 pounds?
(Like I wouldn't ever fly FAi and no one is gonna loose a trophy cuz of me)
07-27-2010 | 10:24 PM
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RE: ARF Pattern Planes in 2 meter size
Mith may be new to the pattern world, be he is beginner. Given a week of practice, he could fly the F3A schedule, not win, butwell enough. Mith will feel the difference between a competative 2 meter, and a beginner plane. He is also an expert with composites so a top level plane is appropriate for him. Come on Mith step up!
07-27-2010 | 10:37 PM
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RE: ARF Pattern Planes in 2 meter size
No manufacturer will come out with a low-cost 2-meter ARF pattern model that cannot make the weight limit. Even if it's not measured at every other contest but the Nats, just watch what would happen to them once people started posting here that there model is over the limit.
07-28-2010 | 02:32 AM
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ORIGINAL: TonyF
No manufacturer will come out with a low-cost 2-meter ARF pattern model that cannot make the weight limit. Even if it's not measured at every other contest but the Nats, just watch what would happen to them once people started posting here that there model is over the limit.
No manufacturer will come out with a low-cost 2-meter ARF pattern model that cannot make the weight limit. Even if it's not measured at every other contest but the Nats, just watch what would happen to them once people started posting here that there model is over the limit.
"Who else's XXXX is an overweight piece of XXXX ?" thread.......
07-28-2010 | 04:19 AM
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"Who else's XXXX is an overweight piece of XXXX ?"
07-28-2010 | 08:06 AM
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That's a glow powered model that comes with no colors on it at about $2K. And has a much smaller fuse then most other top line models. And produces no where near enough airframes per year.
07-28-2010 | 08:46 AM
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hi mith...... your in luck.andrew jesky just finished testing a new plane for ben fisher at 3DHobby.com called the Orsis.go check it outand I think you will wildly happy...
07-28-2010 | 10:20 AM
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ORIGINAL: cloudancer03
hi mith...... your in luck.andrew jesky just finished testing a new plane for ben fisher at 3DHobby.com called the Orsis.go check it outand I think you will wildly happy...
hi mith...... your in luck.andrew jesky just finished testing a new plane for ben fisher at 3DHobby.com called the Orsis.go check it outand I think you will wildly happy...
07-28-2010 | 11:21 AM
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RE: ARF Pattern Planes in 2 meter size
There are many people wondering the same thing. . .
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ORIGINAL: Mike Wiz
I'm not trying to be smart here, just wondering. What is the logic behind the weight rule?
I'm not trying to be smart here, just wondering. What is the logic behind the weight rule?
07-28-2010 | 11:42 AM
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ORIGINAL: klhoard
There are many people wondering the same thing. . .
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There are many people wondering the same thing. . .
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ORIGINAL: Mike Wiz
I'm not trying to be smart here, just wondering. What is the logic behind the weight rule?
I'm not trying to be smart here, just wondering. What is the logic behind the weight rule?
I'm not saying that's the case here, I'm just wondering. Most times there are very good reasons for a restrictive rule. It's just nice to know what the reasons are. It makes living with the restriction much easier to take when you have an understanding.
07-28-2010 | 12:18 PM
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There are many threads on the weight issue. It has been debated many times over. If you do a search here you'll find it. There are some strong supporters both ways. Eliminating the weight rule is going to mean bigger biplanes with bigger gas motors or electrics and the price will go up. Many people have strong feelings opposite of that, but it doesn't look like there is much sentiment to change the rule at the moment. Planes don't get weighed at local contests, so unless you are going to the NATS, it really doesn't matter.
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07-28-2010 | 12:34 PM
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RE: ARF Pattern Planes in 2 meter size
ORIGINAL: rcpattern
There are many threads on the weight issue. It has been debated many times over. If you do a search here you'll find it. There are some strong supporters both ways. Eliminating the weight rule is going to mean bigger biplanes with bigger gas motors or electrics and the price will go up. Many people have strong feelings opposite of that, but it doesn't look like there is much sentiment to change the rule at the moment. Planes don't get weighed at local contests, so unless you are going to the NATS, it really doesn't matter.
Arch
There are many threads on the weight issue. It has been debated many times over. If you do a search here you'll find it. There are some strong supporters both ways. Eliminating the weight rule is going to mean bigger biplanes with bigger gas motors or electrics and the price will go up. Many people have strong feelings opposite of that, but it doesn't look like there is much sentiment to change the rule at the moment. Planes don't get weighed at local contests, so unless you are going to the NATS, it really doesn't matter.
Arch
07-28-2010 | 12:36 PM
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RE: ARF Pattern Planes in 2 meter size
And making a plane light doesn't cause the price to go up as well?
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I saw one guys plane at the Nats this year get all screwed up because of the weight rule. . .
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The weight rule needs to be put in the same trash bin as the "Sportsman fly with retracts DOWN" rule was put in, but how many years did that take?
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No wonder ARF manufacturers won't touch 2M pattern. Like someone above said, one post on RCU or RCG that you can't make weight and now they're stuck with a container full of kits. . .
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I saw one guys plane at the Nats this year get all screwed up because of the weight rule. . .
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The weight rule needs to be put in the same trash bin as the "Sportsman fly with retracts DOWN" rule was put in, but how many years did that take?
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No wonder ARF manufacturers won't touch 2M pattern. Like someone above said, one post on RCU or RCG that you can't make weight and now they're stuck with a container full of kits. . .
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ORIGINAL: rcpattern
. . .<snip>. . . Eliminating the weight rule is going to mean bigger biplanes with bigger gas motors or electrics and the price will go up.. . .<snip>. .
Arch
. . .<snip>. . . Eliminating the weight rule is going to mean bigger biplanes with bigger gas motors or electrics and the price will go up.. . .<snip>. .
Arch
07-28-2010 | 12:41 PM
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Now you have to define what a Bipe is. . . Is a T-Canalizer a second wing? There are some radical designs out there with lifting surfaces all over the place. . . ugh.
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Perhaps instead of measuring Weight, we should measure the Volume of an airplane. Should be easy enough with a 2M by 2M hot tub full of water . . . each contestant submerges their airplane and then measure how much was displaced. . .
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I better add one of these really, really quickly. . . ->
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Perhaps instead of measuring Weight, we should measure the Volume of an airplane. Should be easy enough with a 2M by 2M hot tub full of water . . . each contestant submerges their airplane and then measure how much was displaced. . .
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I better add one of these really, really quickly. . . ->
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ORIGINAL: Mike Wiz
So the spirit of the rule is to keep the planes from getting too big. Makes sense. Maybe a better rule would make bipes carry a smaller wing span.
So the spirit of the rule is to keep the planes from getting too big. Makes sense. Maybe a better rule would make bipes carry a smaller wing span.
07-28-2010 | 01:51 PM
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Now you have to define what a Bipe is. . . Is a T-Canalizer a second wing? There are some radical designs out there with lifting surfaces all over the place. . . ugh.
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Perhaps instead of measuring Weight, we should measure the Volume of an airplane. Should be easy enough with a 2M by 2M hot tub full of water . . . each contestant submerges their airplane and then measure how much was displaced. . .
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I better add one of these really, really quickly. . . -> [img][/img]
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Now you have to define what a Bipe is. . . Is a T-Canalizer a second wing? There are some radical designs out there with lifting surfaces all over the place. . . ugh.
.
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Perhaps instead of measuring Weight, we should measure the Volume of an airplane. Should be easy enough with a 2M by 2M hot tub full of water . . . each contestant submerges their airplane and then measure how much was displaced. . .
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I better add one of these really, really quickly. . . -> [img][/img]
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ORIGINAL: Mike Wiz
So the spirit of the rule is to keep the planes from getting too big. Makes sense. Maybe a better rule would make bipes carry a smaller wing span.
So the spirit of the rule is to keep the planes from getting too big. Makes sense. Maybe a better rule would make bipes carry a smaller wing span.
07-28-2010 | 02:31 PM
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ORIGINAL: klhoard
Now you have to define what a Bipe is. . . Is a T-Canalizer a second wing? There are some radical designs out there with lifting surfaces all over the place. . . ugh.
.
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Perhaps instead of measuring Weight, we should measure the Volume of an airplane. Should be easy enough with a 2M by 2M hot tub full of water . . . each contestant submerges their airplane and then measure how much was displaced. . .
.
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I better add one of these really, really quickly. . . -> [img][/img]
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Now you have to define what a Bipe is. . . Is a T-Canalizer a second wing? There are some radical designs out there with lifting surfaces all over the place. . . ugh.
.
.
Perhaps instead of measuring Weight, we should measure the Volume of an airplane. Should be easy enough with a 2M by 2M hot tub full of water . . . each contestant submerges their airplane and then measure how much was displaced. . .
.
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I better add one of these really, really quickly. . . -> [img][/img]
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ORIGINAL: Mike Wiz
So the spirit of the rule is to keep the planes from getting too big. Makes sense. Maybe a better rule would make bipes carry a smaller wing span.
So the spirit of the rule is to keep the planes from getting too big. Makes sense. Maybe a better rule would make bipes carry a smaller wing span.
07-28-2010 | 02:34 PM
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ORIGINAL: Mike Wiz
You're right.... Just stick to 2x2 and forgetaboutit. Will people really flock to bipes with bigger engines/motors if the weight restriction is dropped?
ORIGINAL: klhoard
Now you have to define what a Bipe is. . . Is a T-Canalizer a second wing? There are some radical designs out there with lifting surfaces all over the place. . . ugh.
.
.
Perhaps instead of measuring Weight, we should measure the Volume of an airplane. Should be easy enough with a 2M by 2M hot tub full of water . . . each contestant submerges their airplane and then measure how much was displaced. . .
.
.
I better add one of these really, really quickly. . . -> [img][/img]
.
Now you have to define what a Bipe is. . . Is a T-Canalizer a second wing? There are some radical designs out there with lifting surfaces all over the place. . . ugh.
.
.
Perhaps instead of measuring Weight, we should measure the Volume of an airplane. Should be easy enough with a 2M by 2M hot tub full of water . . . each contestant submerges their airplane and then measure how much was displaced. . .
.
.
I better add one of these really, really quickly. . . -> [img][/img]
.
ORIGINAL: Mike Wiz
So the spirit of the rule is to keep the planes from getting too big. Makes sense. Maybe a better rule would make bipes carry a smaller wing span.
So the spirit of the rule is to keep the planes from getting too big. Makes sense. Maybe a better rule would make bipes carry a smaller wing span.
They always have in the past and I'm sure they will continue to do so. It is competition and people will take full advantage of the rules. Right now planes can be built under 11lbs, some even under 10, and that includes electrics. Getting a cheap ARF is going to be tough, but I'm sure someone will step up, but regardless, even the other stuff isn't that expensive compared to other disciplines.
07-28-2010 | 03:13 PM
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Arch, really, when have people "flocked" to bipes? I can't remember a single time other then when the TOC gave them a 10% score bonus. Heck, they don't even use them in IAC competition anymore. The "big bipe" is a boogeyman.
