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If you see my plane, pictured below, for sale anywhere etc. I consider it to now be stolen property.

I shipped the plane to a person who called himself Jim Stovall. The deal was that he was to send me a replacement Hydemount direct from Central Hobbies and and a check.

No mount, no order with Central, and definieterly no check.

It is in Aurora IL. According to the shipping company it was picked up by this person three weeks ago. He does not answer his e-mails or phone.

This is the first time that I have been burned. No more checks in the mail for me.

Regards,

Eric.

The canopy is now silver with a red fleck.

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That guy has scammed a few people. Although I don't like smearing anyone publicly, this guy seems to be one to watch out for....

-Mike

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Hi Eric,
Sorry to hear.
There's an old thread on possible the same guy. They name an existing company where a mr Stovall is/was working.
Maybe the starter of the thread can help you out in some way


http://runryder.com/helicopter/t12135p1/

Regards,
Jock

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Mail Fraud is a felony. Report this bozo to the appropriate law enforcement agency and let them track him down.... and they will[:@]
It sucks getting ripped off, but I'm sure you have plenty of other good airplanes to fly :D
Good Luck,
Will B.

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Anytime I have bought anything from anybody they want the money in their hands first before shipping. I understand this and would want the same myself.

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I live in Chicago. I'll ask around. I'll also ask some friends who are in pattern to have a look-see. You said he's in North Aurora? I might be in the area this weekend and I'll probably be in a couple of flying fields. I'll ask there too. You didn't happen to write down any of the serial numbers of the equipment if there were any, did you?

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Hi Eric, really sorry to hear about this, nothing lower than being burned by someone, let alone a fellow modeler. Question on your evolution: how did you couple your elevator servos?? matchbox or just through your radio?. I'm new to RC Pattern flew my first contest over fathers day weekend and had a blast, so I've taken the next step andhave almost completed my Evolution. Thanks for the thread on it and hope you get your mount and a check in the mail.

P.S if you have any parts let me know. [email protected]

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I built two of them and used both systems. My JR10 uses elev and ch-8. The matchbox only used the elev channel. The amount of wire is about the same because you keep the matchbox near the RX. The weight of the matchbox in negligable.

Both methods worked very well. The matchbox requires you to adjust it in the plane. The dual-elevator option on the TX lets you do it from the outside of the fuselage. The individual centering and the end point adjsutment is about the same with either set-up.

The matchbox lets you use a five channel RX. I used the 7 ch PCM JR 700 RX.

Regards,

Eric.

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Hay Eric while we are on building could you tell me how much rise I will need on a Muller header with the OS 160 for the Evolution?

Thanks Kirk

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There is a lot of room for the header height to vary a little. I used my Temptation and Focus headers. If I recall correctly the best drop was 2" to 2-1/4. I also extended the tunnel and used a medium lenghth ES CF pipe. There is a header in my missing one :-)

Regards,

Eric.

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Thanks Eric
Kirk

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Sorry to hear of this!!

I almost can't believe it..

This world is crazy..

Good luck in your search.
I wish I was in that area!!!

Chris

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You guys might want to read: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...=790137&page=2

Consider getting together and sharing contact info. He's been ripping people off for years. The reason he's able to is no one follows up with local criminal complaints

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Eric Did you go after this guy because he just took me for $1000

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Why are people still buying from this guy? I don't understand..
I almost bought from him, and almost bought the same story about his wife.. What a scam.. He's still buying things on here.. His wife, if he's married, isn't apparantly doing so bad..

What a scammer!!

Jim, you will burn eventually.. And I know your reading this!! Hope it's worth it!!!!!!!!!!
If I ever bump into you, you will know it!!!!!!!!! I can't stand people like you!!!!

Have you all looked into his other names? He's a scammer for sure.. I'm gonna look him up on ebay.. I'm sure he's there also..
What a disgrace that this guy is into pattern planes..

Chris

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Before I sent the check I searched his name and if you can beleive I got none of this info. I don't know why this info did not show up. This guy lives in N. Auroura and is listed on 411.com

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Lists his phone# addy on 411.com.. Also his neighbors on April Ct.. One could be like a collection agency and call his neighbors to find out if they've seen him with toy planes... Maybe even get them to go over to his house and give him your contact info.. Not that this will do any good, but then he will be embarrassed in his own house..
Once my neighbor came over, they were trying to collect on a bill from my late brother.. Was a strange situation to say the least..


C

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I'm working on some local contacts to help before I have to make a road trip. I left a message at his home phone today to pay back my $1000. Your nieghbors are always a wealth of info because people love dirt about there nieghbors . That's a tax collectors trick. I will never let this go until I get my money!! Even if it cost me twice what he owes me!! I don't care!! I will not let this guy rip me off and do nothing.

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what an absolute shame. i have conducted a few transactions with the classic pattern forum guys and wouldn't dream of ripping off people that i chat with everyday. what a loser. i wished i could help in getting this guy caught.

david

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brnrbbr,

You sound like me !!
I'm Italian, my ancestors were from Sicily, we believe in revenge !!!
Screw me over and you'll get it back twice over !!!
I hope you'all track this guy down and make him pay.

tommy s

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i did something similar with an ebay sale. i sent a money order to an out of state seller and the communications stopped altogether. email after email after email and no response. well i lived in that town when i was younger and got an old friend to help me find a lawyer there. then i emailed the 'seller' again, used the local atty's info as the person i would use to prosecute him from out of state. it worked, i got my engine.

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Yeah this guy tried to get me with a Funtana Pro I had for sale a long time ago. Apparently he didn't like my terms. I certainly know why now. LOL

I do find it amazing that he hasn't been more "exposed" in the community. perhaps we as a group are so reluctant to say anything negative, we just bite our tongues too much? Giving the guy the benefit of the doubt? Well with this guy, there doesn't seem to be much room for doubt.

I find it hard to believe he's stupid enough to scam that many people and then be tracable. You're likely to find his listed address as an abandoned warehouse or something. or his Aunt's house....

Oh if you go whack on his noggin, get some video ;)

Seriously, proceed with caution......

-Mike

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Sorry to hear about this, but thank you for exposing the culprit. I have been selling a lot of stuff lately, and because everybody I have delt with has been very honest and prompt, it would be very easy to let my guard down. I consider the RC community to be a tight, helpful group of friends, but you have identified an exception. I'll be on the watchout, and I will help in any way I can. Hopefully this person will be caught, exposed, and shamed. Unfortunately, people who scam others do not really have a lot of self respect and therefore shame in the first place.

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Jim tried to get me to send him my old Focus. I didn't even crate it up since no money came my way. I really hope this guy gets prosecuted.

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While we're on this topic...

Has anyone seen or heard from Mr. Russ Honea from PatternProz/Ultimate R/C lately? I know they're out of business but I know he's out there somewhere.

Russ screwed me out of $1620 a couple of years ago on a PL Products Partner kit that I sent to him to build. He built it, flew it and kept it for himself, and then sold it to someone else out of the area (I was later told it went to a buyer in Montana or Alaska), all the while telling me he was going to replace it once he got more kits in from France. I found out later that he didn't just accidentally go out of business, he was systematically giving people the shaft as he went along.

I'd love to locate him and pursue this legally. Anything anyone could do to help would be greatly appreciated (especially if you know of a good attorney in the Tulsa, OK, area that might be able to represent me on this in small claims court).

Thx, Jerry Budd

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Jim Stovall got me for $550 on the same series of ads on Flying Giants that brnrbbr got hit on. Turns out we both bought the same plane so Mr Stovall can no longer claim that it was an accident due to shipping or a problem with the mail. Pure fraud. I believe the authorities in North Aurora Illinois will be interested in this guy.

For everyone else: BEWARE. Don't even think of buying from or selling to this guy.

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Jerry -
First, absolutely no offense intended:

If you have his name and physical address, why not go after him in terms of civil and crimal issue? Jim Stovall has been operating this way for 5 years - per documented scams, becasue no one does anything about it. They caulk it up as lessons learned.

Go after him. + $200 and it's a a FELONY in most states. It's ridiculous that he gives out a real name, a real address, and a real phone # and continues to screw people.


It makes me want to go into the fraudulent business.. I'd be much better at it.

Call his local PD - get a white collar detective. It's ashame I've had to push it to go to this point. Where he works has even been documented - it's easy to make his life (legally) diffiicult.

Not doing so is simply screwing fellow RC'ers.

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I have to say, I'm the same way.. I would go to no end to track him down if he screwed me outta money.. A roundtrip ticket could be bought from Cali for probably 3 or 400 dollars... If you're closer, I can only imagine the ticket would be much cheaper..
So, those of you who have shipped to him, or paypal'd him, you have his addy right.. GO GET HIM TO PAY UP.... I would.. [sm=lol.gif]

I almost had the same happen on a recent transaction sorta from a guy on RCU.. I payed for a QQ Yak NIB, he shipped, damaged in shipping by ups, ups denied the claim, then after 2 months, the ups store finally got the money back. I received notification a few days ago that Extreme Flight shipped me a new one.. I opted for the EF instead of the QQ this time.. It hasn't arrived, supposed to be Tuesday.. I thought I had lost the money as he said I had to wait for the refund from ups like it was my fault or something.. Which is odd, because the guy owns a online hobby store.. He did answer my emails and took my phone calls though.. Less frustrating than getting no answer like you folk...
Who can you trust online anymore? We had this come up over the holidays with things that should have arrived a week or two in advance of Christmas, but didn't show up till after they were in stock.. Which wasn't noted or mentioned in the delivery dates in the confirmation emails.. Was talking with my family over this and we came to a strange conclusion.. Is it almost to the point that we will start buying in the stores again to avoid the online scams, the out of stocks that aren't mentioned, the risks of having out card numbers stolen, and also the risks of having our packages tossed around by the shipping companies that could care less what's in the package with the big words FRAGILE written all over it?

Chris

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I talked to the N. Aurora police dept today. (Officer Voss) nice guy! He said for everyone who was ripped off by Jim Stovall to go to there local police and have them send some official paper work to him. He was very interested in my story and was checking on prior complaints that may match our story. I asked if defrauding people for $1000 (me!) was a felony charge and he said YES! Lets get this guy so he can't do it again. I found a post as far back as 2002 on runryder were he allegedly didn't send out a Heli and took the money

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This stuff should be reported to RCU and RCG also.. They need to suspend this guy so he can't do this to others...

Good job calling the po po....

C

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For those who aren't aware yet. Police and postal service are looking to press charges.
Contact police at:
Detective Joseph J. Gorski #119, case number 08-00064
630.897.8705 (Main)
[email protected]

Postal inspector at:
Bruce Babick
[email protected]
(T) 630-260-5343

Jim took my $450 back in 2006. I really hope he would be punished.

Vlad

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Good news , The PD has issued a warrent for Jim Stovall. 3 counts of theft by deception. They have also taken a photo of what is believed to be Eric's Evoulution in Jim's basement It would have been 6 counts but after the visit from the police Jim was feeling the heat and refunded 3 of us. If he doesn't turn himself in he could be picked up anywhere including his place of work.This guy has been doing this stuff to the RC community for years and finally with the help of the N. Aurora PD it looks like he will be able to add FELONY to his resume.Let's hope when he faces the judge in court he gets jail time plus pay restitution. If you get ripped by someone don't be afraid to make a post because chances are there is others that may have been taken by the same crook. Be Cool!

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sweet hope they nail him

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Sweet revenge..

Enjoy your time in jail and your fine Jim!!

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The only bad news is that, for now, my Evolution is evidence. Still it pays to do things the right way and let law enforcement do their job. Of course, they can't do it without our support.

I don't really care if my plane returns to me in not as good a shape as it should, nor if I get my money, because it is more important to get a guy like this out of our hobby.

Also, I would like to thank my fellow modellers who both stood by me through this and also who provided solid guidance as to what was the right thing to do.

Regards,

Eric.

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Well Eric I hope you get it back in good shape, its a shame some one would do a fellow modeler that way, just glad they caught up with him

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OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![sm=thumbs_up.gif] I was so hoping when i saw this thread pop up again that i would read that he had been nailed and there it is. this is a very delicate thing, mailing away expensive toys. fortunately, we are all fellow modelers and this works well most of the time. i hope he goes away for a while.

david

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ALERT!!! I got some info that Jim Stovall was inquiring about an add posted on RCU using the username -- G450-- The seller picked up on the name. I wonder if he was trying to pull off another scam. Have a good one and keep watching for this guy!

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someone needs to set up a sting on this guy. insist that the deal go through the mail and get the postal inspector on his a@$.

david

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Jim Stovall also goes by "Dennis or DB Stovall"-- email address: [email protected]
I know him! I wish I read this earlier. I could have helped you guys locate him. I know where he lives, where he works, where his parents live and work, etc... Anyway, I really hope he gets what he deserve.