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RE: Is kitcutter.com a ripoff?
ORIGINAL: DanMN You evidently did the right thing. It got you your kit. Hopefully others that have ordered kits from him will receive theirs also. Another interesting thing is that I see Michaels is watching this thread alot, yet no other comments from him. |
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ORIGINAL: AmishWarlord LOL @ Big, Box, O Dead Fish. |
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That is just amazing to know a guy with such noterioty lives on Hix road,that is only couple miles from me..
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ORIGINAL: reggeee ORIGINAL: DanMN You evidently did the right thing. It got you your kit. Hopefully others that have ordered kits from him will receive theirs also. Another interesting thing is that I see Michaels is watching this thread alot, yet no other comments from him. Best wishes, Dave Olson |
RE: Is kitcutter.com a ripoff?
ORIGINAL: Scar ORIGINAL: reggeee ORIGINAL: DanMN You evidently did the right thing. It got you your kit. Hopefully others that have ordered kits from him will receive theirs also. Another interesting thing is that I see Michaels is watching this thread alot, yet no other comments from him. Best wishes, Dave Olson AHA!!! got it. I see I'm looking at this thread right now!! |
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I just went through the kit quickly. It appears to be A: all there and B: a decent job. I say decent cautiously because the paper plans are still glued to the pieces and I can see that some of the parts are sanded right up to the part drawing line and some are sanded into the line. some are sanded pretty square and some are sanded with a slight radius. I guess the only true square would be Laser cutting. Anyway, It's all there (i think. won't know until i start really and do an inventory).
So to summarize: I got my kit. It's all there. (for now) and It appears I got what i paid for. My campaign of terror is over. I will however serve in someone else's army. |
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you did good reggee. thx.
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Yes, you did good!
Unfortunately, this thread will disappear into history and Michaels will continue to provide unacceptable service to unwitting good people who think they are purchasing a quality product. I am sure this is what he is banking on, that this thread will just go away. It's too bad. I hope all the people that have been waiting for too long for kits they paid for all receive their product as Reggee did. If they don't, Michaels should be prosecuted for theft. That is exactly what he is doing. He is taking money from people and not providing product that has been paid for. |
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<span id="result_box" class="long_text"><span title="" qc="Greetings Manfred" pc="Gruß Manfred" closure_uid_otdwx="715">Hi,</span></span></p> <span class="long_text"><span title="" qc="Greetings Manfred" pc="Gruß Manfred" closure_uid_otdwx="715">this thread will be open as long until "Michael" - "Cornell" - "Melanie" paid his debts! Either he delivers the kits, returns the money, or he gets a complaint. It is that simple! I can also make a criminal complaint in Germany, which is pursued in the USA!</span></span></p> <span class="long_text"><span title="" qc="Greetings Manfred" pc="Gruß Manfred" closure_uid_otdwx="715">But to me it would be much better if he had learned a lesson from this and fulfill their obligations.</span></span></p> <span class="long_text"><span title="" qc="Greetings Manfred" pc="Gruß Manfred" closure_uid_otdwx="715">Greetings Manfred</span></span></p> |
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Manfred, just keep bumping this thread occasionally. it will at least help.
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Like I said earlier, I have never done business with him. It's the whole idea of what he does that makes me mad. I would love to see this thread stay open until all issues are resolved. I will gladly help by bumping this thread too.
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ORIGINAL: reggeee My campaign of terror is over... Squeaky wheel gets the grease! |
RE: Is kitcutter.com a ripoff?
ORIGINAL: reggeee I just went through the kit quickly. It appears to be A: all there and B: a decent job. I say decent cautiously because the paper plans are still glued to the pieces and I can see that some of the parts are sanded right up to the part drawing line and some are sanded into the line. some are sanded pretty square and some are sanded with a slight radius. I guess the only true square would be Laser cutting. Anyway, It's all there (i think. won't know until i start really and do an inventory). So to summarize: I got my kit. It's all there. (for now) and It appears I got what i paid for. My campaign of terror is over. I will however serve in someone else's army. It took me about 90 days per kit to get them. I think that is not too bad a time frame. Cornell went out of his way to include extra wood and parts that I asked him to include at no extra charge. I have heard some of the folks on this thread really bad mouthing this guy and heard their side of the story. However I have not heard the other side's story so I won't make a judgement on this person based on only one side of the story. I'm sure you have heard a story about something and then heard the other side of same. It is funny how some details are left out by both sides. I have been building for about 35 years. I think I have more time building than some of you are old. Hand cut kits will never be "spot" on to the lines. But good enough to build with if you can build at all. Lazer kits are basically put part a to part b and so on. Cutting can be as good or bad as the drawing, the person inputting data to the cutter etc. Some folks who KNOW how to build will have no problems building either of these types of kits. Some will swear that die cutting is no good, that hand cutting is to sloppy, that lazer is the best way to go. It is all dependent on your skills as a builder to make something of the parts. If you take 10 of the same kits from a kit cutter and build them all yourself you will have ten different planes when you get done. No two planes are the same no matter how hard you try. Hope you enjoy the kit you got after the problems you have had. Building your own kit is one part of this hobby that you will enjoy I think. I know I do. Too those of you out there that have had no dealings with this guy should only read what is posted by the people that have and then think of what you have not heard from both sides. The story will always have something included/excluded to embellish it to the persons needs. On either side!! Here is a clue to how I order from Cornell... don't ever send him all the money up front, keep in touch with him at least every three weeks. And then don't send the balance till you have a tracking number from the shipper. Oh and don't change you order after he starts cutting..it will only delay your kit if he has to go backwards to re-do something you want changed. But this applies to most business I do on the net with private parties. |
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why even bother doing business with him if you have to set ground rules to protect yourself? there are other kit cutters out there that are reputable and that will take care of your needs.
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I totally agree..If you need to be for armed then better to pick an ally in stead of an adversary
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IMHO it is not the cutting method employeed but the skill of the cutter given the same plans. When Chuck Gill was alive he made a kit for me that was "hand cut" using templates and perfect. PCK has made a couple of kits for me one by laser one by "hand cut". I built the hand cut and just looked at the laser. Technolgy should not replace techinque or skill.
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ORIGINAL: SoCalSal ORIGINAL: reggeee I just went through the kit quickly. It appears to be A: all there and B: a decent job. I say decent cautiously because the paper plans are still glued to the pieces and I can see that some of the parts are sanded right up to the part drawing line and some are sanded into the line. some are sanded pretty square and some are sanded with a slight radius. I guess the only true square would be Laser cutting. Anyway, It's all there (i think. won't know until i start really and do an inventory). So to summarize: I got my kit. It's all there. (for now) and It appears I got what i paid for. My campaign of terror is over. I will however serve in someone else's army. It took me about 90 days per kit to get them. I think that is not too bad a time frame. Cornell went out of his way to include extra wood and parts that I asked him to include at no extra charge. I have heard some of the folks on this thread really bad mouthing this guy and heard their side of the story. However I have not heard the other side's story so I won't make a judgement on this person based on only one side of the story. I'm sure you have heard a story about something and then heard the other side of same. It is funny how some details are left out by both sides. I have been building for about 35 years. I think I have more time building than some of you are old. Hand cut kits will never be ''spot'' on to the lines. But good enough to build with if you can build at all. Lazer kits are basically put part a to part b and so on. Cutting can be as good or bad as the drawing, the person inputting data to the cutter etc. Some folks who KNOW how to build will have no problems building either of these types of kits. Some will swear that die cutting is no good, that hand cutting is to sloppy, that lazer is the best way to go. It is all dependent on your skills as a builder to make something of the parts. If you take 10 of the same kits from a kit cutter and build them all yourself you will have ten different planes when you get done. No two planes are the same no matter how hard you try. Hope you enjoy the kit you got after the problems you have had. Building your own kit is one part of this hobby that you will enjoy I think. I know I do. Too those of you out there that have had no dealings with this guy should only read what is posted by the people that have and then think of what you have not heard from both sides. The story will always have something included/excluded to embellish it to the persons needs. On either side!! Here is a clue to how I order from Cornell... don't ever send him all the money up front, keep in touch with him at least every three weeks. And then don't send the balance till you have a tracking number from the shipper. Oh and don't change you order after he starts cutting..it will only delay your kit if he has to go backwards to re-do something you want changed. But this applies to most business I do on the net with private parties. I do see the value of leaving the paper templates on the pieces as it also helps me identify the parts. But it also really points out the accuracy of the cutting. After having a weekend to look into it further, I would say over all He did a good job on the kit. My Issue was and remains to be how he continually lied and manipulated the story to suit his needs. Yes, 90 days seems very reasonable to get a kit. I would have been thrilled with that. 5 months and a bunch of emails from other modellers who had been waiting 2 years led me to believe I might not ever get it. Your advice for ordering in step payments is the answer. we just have to collectively take that stand so all the suppliers fall in line. In the meantime, I know through PM that manfred is still being told some stories after 2 years. And through a little detective work i know Cornell, Neal,Michael, Melanie was still taking orders during this whole posting. Good luck to those still waiting. Don't stop hammering away. |
RE: Is kitcutter.com a ripoff?
ORIGINAL: reggeee ORIGINAL: SoCalSal ORIGINAL: reggeee I just went through the kit quickly. It appears to be A: all there and B: a decent job. I say decent cautiously because the paper plans are still glued to the pieces and I can see that some of the parts are sanded right up to the part drawing line and some are sanded into the line. some are sanded pretty square and some are sanded with a slight radius. I guess the only true square would be Laser cutting. Anyway, It's all there (i think. won't know until i start really and do an inventory). So to summarize: I got my kit. It's all there. (for now) and It appears I got what i paid for. My campaign of terror is over. I will however serve in someone else's army. It took me about 90 days per kit to get them. I think that is not too bad a time frame. Cornell went out of his way to include extra wood and parts that I asked him to include at no extra charge. I have heard some of the folks on this thread really bad mouthing this guy and heard their side of the story. However I have not heard the other side's story so I won't make a judgement on this person based on only one side of the story. I'm sure you have heard a story about something and then heard the other side of same. It is funny how some details are left out by both sides. I have been building for about 35 years. I think I have more time building than some of you are old. Hand cut kits will never be ''spot'' on to the lines. But good enough to build with if you can build at all. Lazer kits are basically put part a to part b and so on. Cutting can be as good or bad as the drawing, the person inputting data to the cutter etc. Some folks who KNOW how to build will have no problems building either of these types of kits. Some will swear that die cutting is no good, that hand cutting is to sloppy, that lazer is the best way to go. It is all dependent on your skills as a builder to make something of the parts. If you take 10 of the same kits from a kit cutter and build them all yourself you will have ten different planes when you get done. No two planes are the same no matter how hard you try. Hope you enjoy the kit you got after the problems you have had. Building your own kit is one part of this hobby that you will enjoy I think. I know I do. Too those of you out there that have had no dealings with this guy should only read what is posted by the people that have and then think of what you have not heard from both sides. The story will always have something included/excluded to embellish it to the persons needs. On either side!! Here is a clue to how I order from Cornell... don't ever send him all the money up front, keep in touch with him at least every three weeks. And then don't send the balance till you have a tracking number from the shipper. Oh and don't change you order after he starts cutting..it will only delay your kit if he has to go backwards to re-do something you want changed. But this applies to most business I do on the net with private parties. I do see the value of leaving the paper templates on the pieces as it also helps me identify the parts. But it also really points out the accuracy of the cutting. After having a weekend to look into it further, I would say over all He did a good job on the kit. My Issue was and remains to be how he continually lied and manipulated the story to suit his needs. Yes, 90 days seems very reasonable to get a kit. I would have been thrilled with that. 5 months and a bunch of emails from other modellers who had been waiting 2 years led me to believe I might not ever get it. Your advice for ordering in step payments is the answer. we just have to collectively take that stand so all the suppliers fall in line. In the meantime, I know through PM that manfred is still being told some stories after 2 years. And through a little detective work i know Cornell, Neal,Michael, Melanie was still taking orders during this whole posting. Good luck to those still waiting. Don't stop hammering away. Enjoy the build and always remember this is a hobby...walk away from a build if you find yourself making mistakes and forcing yourself to work on it. It will still be there later after you have rested and had time to think about it. |
RE: Is kitcutter.com a ripoff?
That's what ebay is for. All he needs to do is finish cutting the kit and post it on ebay. No piles of un-paid for wood taking up shop space.
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I received these photos over the course of last week.
The first two are a 180" corsair, length approx 11' The following four are 2 P6E's one for Germany, one for Canada. The final a Pitts Challenger. |
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[quote]ORIGINAL: ManfredKoehler <span class="long_text" id="result_box"><span closure_uid_otdwx="715" pc="Gruß Manfred" qc="Greetings Manfred" title="">Hi,</span></span></p> <span class="long_text"><span closure_uid_otdwx="715" pc="Gruß Manfred" qc="Greetings Manfred" title="">this thread will be open as long until "Michael" - "Cornell" - "Melanie" paid his debts! Either he delivers the kits, returns the money, or he gets a complaint. It is that simple! I can also make a criminal complaint in Germany, which is pursued in the USA!</span></span></p> <span class="long_text"><span closure_uid_otdwx="715" pc="Gruß Manfred" qc="Greetings Manfred" title="">But to me it would be much better if he had learned a lesson from this and fulfill their obligations.</span></span></p> <span class="long_text"><span closure_uid_otdwx="715" pc="Gruß Manfred" qc="Greetings Manfred" title="">Greetings Manfred</span></span></p>________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ All Wolfram has to do to get his kit is pay the shipping to Germany. Demanding "pictures of the plans vs parts" will just slow the P6E delivery. "Looks like a Corsair", how the heck can you determine that from the pictures? The kit is ready for shipment its Wolfram's call. Additional pictures: 180" Corsair Laird Solution ready for pacig and shipping. |
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Yep folks...those first 2 pics of the Corsair above that is currently being built was HANDCUT by Cornell Michaels Kitcutting! That plane is 180 inch wingspan! Beautiful isn't it Reggee and Manfred! and the other 2 pics are from your kit Manfred. I've had 2 kits cut by Cornell...a 1/5th scale P-61 Black Widow with a 154 inch wingspan, and more recently a 1/4 scale Don Smith P-51 Mustang! I just love those kits. Hand cutting is a dying art and takes alot of patience, muscles, time and a strong back to be able to work for hours cutting, shaping and sanding all the parts that goes into a kit. If you were paying him $20 an hour to do that work, your kits would have cost you thousands! So the price you pay for a kit is MORE than reasonable! and by the way Folks IT"S www.kitcutter.com and NOT www.kittcutter.com Go to his website and see more pics of the airplanes customers have built from his kits!!
Dave It's a wonderful day in the neighborhood when you have a clear warm day for flying a giant bird that you personally built! |
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reggeee I think he actually went by the guys shop and took photos of him working on the other two kits to show that they are being completed. LOL tone that post down a little. |
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ORIGINAL: AmishWarlord reggeee I think he actually went by the guys shop and took photos of him working on the other two kits to show that they are being completed. LOL tone that post down a little. |
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