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Old 04-18-2004 | 03:18 PM
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This is Missouri showing off her 21century weapons.




Uss Missouri with our President in 1st two pictures. third is on a carrier.


never saw Clinton do this............






Not intentionally offending anyone that may be a democrat. our military protects all....
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Old 04-18-2004 | 03:51 PM
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Greg, wow do I feel stupid. I thought that only a couple of the iowas had been modernized. I did not realize that all of them had seen modern combat. I guess I need to brush up on my naval history a bit. I love the pics you posted. They inspire me to build one someday. Do you know of a company that produces a kit that's in the 80" range. I would love a 111" inch model but once again space prevents it. Regarding the iowas combat history I may be wrong but is it my understanding that the iowa didn't see ship to ship combat or just very little. I know shore bombardment was huge for them and of course the tomahawks were very effective. . My destroyer is starting to come along, I tested the smoke generator today and am very pleased with the results. Now I'm seriously considering what I'm going to use for batteries so I can continue construction.

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Old 04-18-2004 | 09:56 PM
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Hi Tim,

The only ship to ship combat the Iowas saw was during the tail end of WWII when they were completed. These ships were brand new about a year old in 1945 when the war ended. From there out, they were carrier protection. The Korean war was the last time for 30 years when all 4 ships would be active. I like to go to book stores and look at battleship books, and spend time on the net reading about them. they are just impressive. I would also recommend seeing them., The Iowa can't be seen right now, but the Big "J" bb-62 is in Camden NJ(across the river from Phili), the Missouri(mighty mo) is in Honolulu, anf the Wisconsin(Wisky) is in Norfolk VA.
The wisky is above deck only since the Navy still maintains her daily.
Know why they call it the Wisky???? It is a cool story.

I was thinking of using a smoke system on my model, but was not sure if it puts a film on stuff it contacts. How did you do yours?

I dont know if there is about an 80 inch bb model or not. If there is, I would personally not have it, since it would be hard to aquire fittings for it, unless you build everything. I am not that type of modeler. I buy what I cant easily build with a high degree of scale accuracy. Weapons and fittings are definitely in this category. Buyt hey, some poepl lvie for this. my hat is off to them! I just love the frame work and building everything except weapons.

I have a 15 by 20 ft shop I build my stuff in, and dont have that much room, but it really depends on how you store it. I have made room for my ships when I did not think I could. If you make the superstructure so it will come off, the ship is slim enough to put it on a secure shelf(with no ballast). I hang my planes up to free up shop space too . my shop is built with a high ceiling, and is loaded, but stuff is well stored. But, I have tested and tested, and dont have room for the 13ft long Nimitz. I could lay down on the flight deck of that model in two different places and not touch the previous place I just laid. It is HUGE. I have seen 3 or 4 models of it.


Let me know how your Destroyer is coming along. I would like to see some pics if you can. As you can see, I like to collect pics.

These are some cool photos. . 1-2 bb64, 3 cv-63 props


Greg
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Old 04-19-2004 | 05:41 AM
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Greg, here are a couple photos of the real boat that I'm modeling, the last photo is of what I have done at this point. In that photo the deck is not secured, just setting in place so I could test the smoke generator. I have a long way to go yet. I'm doing a building thread under the scale catagory "building a Narvik class destroyer". There I have photos of my progress posted.

I love the shot of the iowa class from above, very cool. And no, I don't know why they call her the wisky, I assumed it was just short for Wisconsin.

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Old 04-19-2004 | 10:45 AM
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Nice looking ship. The smoke is awesome. I see that you are at the fun stage of building. The decks.....


The Wisconsin Had a collision with the USS Eaton near Norfolk during the Korean war, that damaged about 60 foot of her bow. During this time, four of the six Iowas( b 61-64) were completed and Two were still being built. They were the Uss Illinois(bb-65) and Uss Kentucky(bb-66). Since the USS Wisconsin needed parts immediately for the war, they were to pull them from the Unfinished ship Uss Kentucky since the last two Iowas were going to never be finished anways. They cut off about 65 foot of the bow from the Ky and the Wisconsin and installed the new section. The wisconsin becamse the longest Iowa class battleship, and was nicknamed the "WIS""KY". Wisconsin-Kentucky..
The Eaton was almost completely cut in two.
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Old 04-19-2004 | 01:36 PM
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Your model work and Image bank are incredible!
Thank you for sharing all these.

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Here are three of our Z boats on the pond

1 Larry's Z with the Graf Spee

2 Q's Z-37 with Japanese Tanakaze

3 Z-37

4 unidentified Z boat
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Old 04-19-2004 | 01:45 PM
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I have a 1:48 scale WWII Benham class (rounded wheelhouse) destroyer which I have been working on for a few years. I would strongly urge caution if you plan on ordering a kit or fittings from the Scale Shipyeard. It took me 18 months and two legally threatening letters to get my fittings and funnels from Scale Shipyard. There are many more horror stories about that operation as well, not just from me. My ship is about 7.8 feet in lenghth ans weighs about 40 pounds. I still have to finish one level of the deck and apply the paint. Initial sea trials were very impressive and with two large PIttman 12 volt motors, three 12 volt batteries, a smoke system, lights and a sound generator it makes for a very fast and great looking destroyer. I really want a 1:48 scale Liberty Ship or tanker to excort, but I would be ready for the old folks home before I get it built at my current pace.
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Old 04-19-2004 | 02:18 PM
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Oops, one more from the 1-72nd scale folder.

Harter's, The DKM Lutzow in port with two Z boats.

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Here is John Sullivan's Benham Class built from
a set of plans I drew up. He did a great job.
Check out the camoflage in action.
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Old 04-19-2004 | 05:19 PM
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wow, so much to look at and comment on. The damage to the wisky is incredible. It's amazing that the eaton didn't sink! It seems to me that somebody wasn't paying attention to cause an accident like that. It's nice to see the photo's of the Z boats too. Doc, the Z-boat in the photo of three ships "docked together" that's in the middle looks to be much like the one I'm building. The part that I'm working on now is the most fun. I really enjoy adding the details like deck railings, ladders, rigging etc. The archive photo's I got are really good and should help me along a great deal in adding the detail. I don't know what you all prefer to build but I would much rather build a wood kit. This one is a glass hull with plastic superstructure. The one advantage I can see is saving all that time glassing or finishing in some way to hide the wood grain. I'm really enjoying this thread, there is so much cool stuff out there to see. Here's a couple shots of the z-boat I'm working on just to show some of the great detail possible.

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Old 04-19-2004 | 08:41 PM
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Hi fellas

Those are some nice looking Z-boats. I like the training turret.
Here are a few more pics of the wisky damage. here is a link for the accident report/deck log, if you want to know who screwed up. It also has more pics.



http://www.usswisconsin.org/Pictures.../collision.htm

Look at the crunching of the internal shot how the bulkheads, were bulged. Also look near the anchor chains how the deck was warped from the jolt. You can see the crunch line good vertically where the 6 is in the hull number. It takes a lot to stop a battleship under power. It drug the poor ole' Eaton sideways for a while. One of the Wiskys 16 in turrets weighs as much as the whole Eaton because of all the armour. Looks like the wisly is full loaded near 57000 tons(draft line). Serious FORCE..... Like a train hitting a car. They fixed her up to fight in Vietnam, but in 1970 she was decommissioned and sunk off the coast of Florida. USA.

Greg

Please keep posting pics of your models. They are looking great. This is an awesome hobby.
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I like the fiberglass hulls, much easier for me, but I build the superstructures from balsa and sheet them with thin plastic. That gives it the appearance of sheet metal and there is no wood grain to hide. A little Plasti-kote on the seams and a little touch of sandpaper will give it a smooth finish, and a little paint is all that it takes to cover the plastic. My destroyer is a two stacker with a rounded wheel house. My current "slow backs" have been created by my lack of a torpedo launcher (The Quartermaster is supposed working on one in 1:48 scale, keeping my fingers crossed), a solution to my radar mast, and the time to finsih putting it all together. Having seen all this nice pics is stimulating me to get back into the late night build mode. I also have a hull for a 1:96 scale freighter I found on E-bay a couple of years ago. AS well as a Sterling Scout I purchased several years ago from a fella in Ohio. Scale ships are truly awesome. I mostly fly planes and build scale jets, but the ships are probably my favorite. I live on a huge river/lake system, which sits about 50 feet from my back door. No rel excuse for not doing more "boating".
BTW, while in Toledo I saw a great little model of a Schnell Boat (German torpedo boat) in 1:32 scale. The hull and plans sell for about $179 USD. It would be a great little first scale project for someone.
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Hey Doc

Post a picture or two if you can. It sounds like you have an older Porter or Mahan Class destroyer, or an early version of a Fletcher Class. I would kind of bet it is a Fletcher class. I would need to see the gun arrangement.
The Fletchers have three 5 inch singles on the stern, the older two stackers have only two mounts on the stern, and are some times unsheilded. Is there a step deck?

The Fletcher class in 1-48 scale should come out to 92.25 inches(369ft), and the older destroyers should measure around 83 inches(334ft)....

There is a "Benson"/Gleaves Class of US destroyer that measures out to 87 inches, and has the three stern 5 inch guns. However I am not sure they had rounded bridges and the Fletcher class were known to have that style of bridge. The difference here is that the Benson has a step deck, and the Fletcher were flush deck bow to stern.

I don't think the ship class matters, Actually, I just want to see pictures....
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The German Squad readies for a sortie call
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Old 04-20-2004 | 01:22 PM
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Umi,
It is bulit from the early Fletcher class plans. Two stacks, same gun configuration you describe. The plans show the torp launcher on the mid deck amidships. WIll post some pics sometime in the future, as I am really busy right now trying to finish the turbine F-15. I also need to have a new piece of Plexiglass cut for my deck since it has not been permenatly attached yet, and I want to neaten it up a bit.
It is about 92 inches long, you ar correct in your measurement. It is a big machine and sits up quite nicely on the water in the initial sea trials.
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Tachikaze, Can you tell me anything about the z-boat in your photo of three? What I'm curious about is what is the scale and what is used for power. I'm using two motors that are equal to speed 400's. What I'm having a hard time deciding is should I power it with 6v or 12v. I'm thinking that 12v would be the way to go and just keep it throttled back if it's to much power, however if 6v is plenty of power then that would give me more run time using the same battery space. I have to supply 12v to run the smoke generator so my decision may be made for me unless I run two different packs. Do you have any comments or suggestions? Thanks

Tim
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My my my How often this question arises,...

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=221839

Hope this gives you some ideas.
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Umi

That link was helpful and from what it sounds like, 12 volts is the way to go. Now, to find 12v batts that will fit through the access in the deck. Batteries america has several different sizes that I'm considering. Thanks for the help. sorry to beat an old boring subject to death[:'(]

Tim

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