HL Tiger 1 wiring problem.......need help!
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Hi Dan,
Hooked up yellow and brown as directed ,held down left stick and nothing happened.Possibly the elevation motor is toast?
In the wiring diagram that I posted there is a double 3pin connector that mine does not have. Would that be different because this is an airsoft?
Hooked up yellow and brown as directed ,held down left stick and nothing happened.Possibly the elevation motor is toast?
In the wiring diagram that I posted there is a double 3pin connector that mine does not have. Would that be different because this is an airsoft?
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The little board with 3 connections on either side I cannot find in this tank.Your pic#3. Is it possibly because this is an airsoft that it would wire differently?
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I'd check the pot in the Tx itself.
I've only owned a few HLs and have experienced bad solders on the RX-18, in the Tx, broken wires in the harness as well as non matching wire colors so they can be pretty frustrating. You can't rule out anything. I ripped apart one spending hours to finally find a broken wire still in the insulation.
You are getting some good help, but it's hard to diagnose this way. I'd start from scratch, isolate the elevation motor itself to make sure it works via a simple battery hookup. Then use the RX-18 schematic and just plug it the elevation (plus battery and Rx). If still no go, then open the Tx and look for loose wires.
One thing that I've found you absolutely need if you're going to stick with HL is a good multimeter and an alternative battery source and some wires with alligator clips that you can use to jump connections.
I've only owned a few HLs and have experienced bad solders on the RX-18, in the Tx, broken wires in the harness as well as non matching wire colors so they can be pretty frustrating. You can't rule out anything. I ripped apart one spending hours to finally find a broken wire still in the insulation.
You are getting some good help, but it's hard to diagnose this way. I'd start from scratch, isolate the elevation motor itself to make sure it works via a simple battery hookup. Then use the RX-18 schematic and just plug it the elevation (plus battery and Rx). If still no go, then open the Tx and look for loose wires.
One thing that I've found you absolutely need if you're going to stick with HL is a good multimeter and an alternative battery source and some wires with alligator clips that you can use to jump connections.
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Your Tiger might not have that board maybe it goes directly to to the 8 pin connector
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That is how it seems to be wired. I have tried a mulitmeter on the yellow and brown wires and it does not show and power at all when I hold down the left stick.
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Definitely crack open the Tx then, there will be three wires coming off the pot connected to the axis. I bet one is off.
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Yes that is correct. I can't remember did you buy complete package with the T6A radio. If you did I may have set up the Benedini for starting and stopping the engine on Channel 5
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That is the default engine start, so no issue there, When I shipped that to you all the servo cables would have been plugged and set to go. On a HK receiver all the channels from 1-5 should be used.
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OK < just to be sure lets go over the servo cable set up.
DBC Receiver
THR CH 2
STR CH 1
TUR CH 4
GUN CH 3
This is the basic set up for a DBC. When you add the TBS you pass the throttle( CH 2) from the receiver into Prop 1 of the Benedini TBS. The second Prop one then goes from the TBS back to DBC THR. IN essence you are inserting the Benedini TBS between the receiver and the DBC3. Prop 3 on the TBS gets hooked to the output pins on the DBC3. This connection is the TBS encoder and sends all the sound triggers for battle sounds and other tank sounds.
DBC Receiver
THR CH 2
STR CH 1
TUR CH 4
GUN CH 3
This is the basic set up for a DBC. When you add the TBS you pass the throttle( CH 2) from the receiver into Prop 1 of the Benedini TBS. The second Prop one then goes from the TBS back to DBC THR. IN essence you are inserting the Benedini TBS between the receiver and the DBC3. Prop 3 on the TBS gets hooked to the output pins on the DBC3. This connection is the TBS encoder and sends all the sound triggers for battle sounds and other tank sounds.
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Whoops. I guess over time just reading the last posts, I forgot you were using the DBC and not the HL trans, I wouldn't have suggested a bad pot otherwise.
I ran into the exact problem with a DBC/Benedini setup a few weeks ago. Bill bought my Stug with the same setup. With my DX6i, everything worked perfectly. Bill bought his own DX6 and when we bound that one, everything worked but the recoil and flash (HL xenon). I thought it was trims, so we spent a bunch of time adjusting it, trying to copy how my sub trims and travel adjustments were but nothing worked. Either it was sound and IR or flash and recoil, but never together (it was a bit confusing to keep track of, since I had mine set to drive Tamiya style, Bill's HL).
After a solid hour, I pulled off channel 5 (gear remote start) and everything worked just the way it's supposed to. Didn't make any sense to me, but that was it.
By the way, it takes a bunch of time adjusting trims to get the timing of the sound, flash and recoil coordinated and not to fire too easily.
I ran into the exact problem with a DBC/Benedini setup a few weeks ago. Bill bought my Stug with the same setup. With my DX6i, everything worked perfectly. Bill bought his own DX6 and when we bound that one, everything worked but the recoil and flash (HL xenon). I thought it was trims, so we spent a bunch of time adjusting it, trying to copy how my sub trims and travel adjustments were but nothing worked. Either it was sound and IR or flash and recoil, but never together (it was a bit confusing to keep track of, since I had mine set to drive Tamiya style, Bill's HL).
After a solid hour, I pulled off channel 5 (gear remote start) and everything worked just the way it's supposed to. Didn't make any sense to me, but that was it.
By the way, it takes a bunch of time adjusting trims to get the timing of the sound, flash and recoil coordinated and not to fire too easily.
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I now use the TBS to supply the trigger voltage on the recoil. So timing is no longer an issue nor is the false flash and recoil before an IR shell is ready. The cannon recoil, sound, IR shot and flash are all synched.
Trouble shooting is a process of elimination.
What I would do , is hook up power directly to the elevation motor. Ensure that it is capable of working. That would eliminate the elevation unit as the problem
Then move to the harness and supply power to the pins and see if the elevation motor still works. By doing this you have verified the elevation unit and the wiring is good.
Next would be to check the output voltage on pins on the RX 18. See if there is any power supplied when you move the stick to the full down,
Then unplug the DBC and plug in the HL receiver again. All you have to do is move the 3 wire control cable back to the HL receiver. See if you have elevation when you return the tank to its stock condition. IF the same condition exists you no it has nothing to do with the DBC3/TBS/Radio, and it has something to do with the RX18.
Trouble shooting is a process of elimination.
What I would do , is hook up power directly to the elevation motor. Ensure that it is capable of working. That would eliminate the elevation unit as the problem
Then move to the harness and supply power to the pins and see if the elevation motor still works. By doing this you have verified the elevation unit and the wiring is good.
Next would be to check the output voltage on pins on the RX 18. See if there is any power supplied when you move the stick to the full down,
Then unplug the DBC and plug in the HL receiver again. All you have to do is move the 3 wire control cable back to the HL receiver. See if you have elevation when you return the tank to its stock condition. IF the same condition exists you no it has nothing to do with the DBC3/TBS/Radio, and it has something to do with the RX18.
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Returned to tank to stock condition and still no elevation . Check power from DX18 (which I have replaced) and there is power. I guess I will have to assume that the elevation motor is useless! Time to get on the Mato site!
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Also, what kind of elevation motor do you need? Take a picture of it for me, I might have one sitting around that fits
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Thanks again for all of the help Erik. I have put power to the motor directly but perhaps not enough. I will try again and let you know.
Thanks for the motor offer but I just ordered one for $8.50 Cdn so it won't break me.
Tell me a bit about Taigen tanks. I haven't found a useful dealer in Canada but I can order from Imex if you make them sound good enough.
Thanks for the motor offer but I just ordered one for $8.50 Cdn so it won't break me.
Tell me a bit about Taigen tanks. I haven't found a useful dealer in Canada but I can order from Imex if you make them sound good enough.
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Erik; Just tried your test and it isn't the motor because I used 4.5 v and it turned fine. So I'll have an extra motor.
Unfortunately I still have a wiring issue.
I have swapped the DX18 and am not sure what to try next?
Unfortunately I still have a wiring issue.
I have swapped the DX18 and am not sure what to try next?



