new to the tanks , order two tanks from rccommand , hl tiger 1, m26 pursing. two questions, are they a good choice of tanks , and is rccommand a good supplier , its been almost two . weeks and only i reply .</p>

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Tiger 1 needs some TLC but manageable. Pershing I hear is great, I don't own one personally but from what I have heard from others a good runner, Rccommand see Panther F response above, even though I have never had problems, I can't speak for others. Oh and welcome to the wonderful world of RC Tanking (money pit) good and bad.


Cheers,
Wade

Welcome Tankford,


Bob here in NJ. There are some issues with the Tiger I. Mostly cosmetic, but they do tend to break tracks. H L never gave any spares but might now. If you would like some drop me a line and I'll send you a dozen for no charge. I hope you got the metal gearboxes as the plastic gears tend to strip out, particularly on the M26. HL tanks are a good start and I'm sure you will enjoy them. I started with H L tanks years ago and have long since graduated to Tamiya TBS battle tanks with IR systems and custom HL tanks (Stug & Panzer III) with Tamiya electronics.
Good luck and let me know if I can be of any assistance....Bob thecommandernj

File a Paypal dispute within the 45 day-period, if you still don't have your tanks, and if they won't answer your emails. It seems like that's the only way for new customers to get them to answer you.

If you ordered from RCCommand you should get a couple of spare links and pins with each the tanks - only the non smoke and sound tanks come without spares, and I don't think Bill stocks that rubbish.

You should avoid long grass with the Pershing as it tends to get tangled in the drive sprockets, causing the motor to stall and potentially blowing the control board - they aren't too expensive too to replace (~$20), but best to avoid doing it in the first place
As Bob already said, the Tiger tracks aren't all that strong but I've not had any problems with either of my Pershings. The same goes for the track pins, the Tigers tend to loose their's so inspect them regularly if you don't want to spend time hunting them in the back yard
The tiger has a bad reputation as the early ones were pretty poorly designed, but most of the mechanical flaws have been fixed (or atleast they aren't as bad as they were).

Don't expect too much scale accuracy from them and you will be happy with them. There are a lot of upgrades out there for both of them if you want to add more detail, better performance, or get involved in club level IR battles - just be aware that if you go too far down this road you will get to the point where it makes more sense to buy a Tamiya kit than keep adding all of the 'whistles and bells' that are out there.

Welcome to the money pit!
Mart

Welcome aboard!!! Another Tiger on the hunt!! I am still working on my first Tank, also a Tiger from HL.  Ex_Pat_Tanker is right, as I am at the point that I could have purchased a Tammiya wuitht he money in this HL, but modifying it iss half the fun for me, so no loss there. Great people here with a lot of knowledge and they never let you down when you need some help. Enjoy your new tanks.

thanks for all of the info , i guess i the first part is trying to get the tanks , ill email rccommand again too see whats up with them . i did purchase the s&amp;s with metal gears on both models .

Believe me, there ain't nothing wrong with doing it your way - With my recent upgrades I have $500 invested in my favourite Panzer IIIL, and now I'm thinking I want to replace the original 27MHz HL electronics and DBC with El-Mod and a 2.4GHz radio because the current electronics package won't keep the IR & cannon flash LED syncronised with the recoil unit... now thats close on $400 worth of kit, but it is my favourite tank and I feel that its worth spending that kind of money on - like I said: 'Welcome to the money pit' 'Yer pays yer money, yer makes yer choice'

I really just wanted to point out that with the demise (hopefully) of the Panther/Tiger 'PanTiger' crossbreed, the Tiger is now officially the least accurate of HL's line-up by a country mile (the M41 Bulldog being next). Some things can be prised off and corrected realtively easily, others need extensive re-work/scratch building if you want to have an accurate model. Some guys out there are perfectly happy producing very impressive scratch-built models using HL's as a base, others complain that they spent a fortune trying to make an accurate model with the IR battle system, barrel recoil, correct sounds, better gearboxes, and everything else that comes in the box with a Tamiya kit, and were still disapointed with the end result - and wish that they had just bought the Tam in the first place. If you want a museum quality model, the Heng Long Tiger is a poor choice [&:] - lets just get that out there right now and not have another round of 'Tamiya is better than Heng Long' ...

I guess to answer the original question: "are they a good choice of tanks" - Personally I would have recommended the Panzer III's as they are 'better' scale models, but the latest Tigers are not bad if you don't want absolute scale accuracy, and both are mechanically 'good enough' if you look at them as toys. The Pershing has too short of a gun barrel, but otherwise its a 'reasonable' stab at a Korean war example. Neither are perfect to be sure, but better than a lot of the toy tanks I have encountered over the years. They'll run ok on carpet, concreate, short grass and sandy soil without throwing tracks. They are made of robust plastic and hold up pretty well to being mauled by small children and pets too if that is a concern to you?

A lot of us here are very happy with our Heng Long toys and look forward to helping you with spares and advice

My experience with RCCommand goes back a while, so I might fall into Googlydoogly's "if you are not a current customer..." comment [&:] - I have only ever had a delay when ordering their unique parts such as the steel gearboxes and custom KT barrel. Communication certainly could have been better, and my expectation of when I could expect delivery could have been better managed - but so far I have eventually received my order, and I know other folks who have been in the same boat so I'm sure its been nothing personal. If you get really stuck at least a few of us here are good enough customers to hopefully be able to plead a case on your behalf [>:]

That said, if you don't hear back within 45 days of placing an order via paypal then you are entitled to exercise your rights - and I have certainly wished that I had used Paypal with some of the other Jokers out there... (which some other's here swear are honest venders, the moral here is one man's 'go to guy' is another mans thief, huh?)

If you need help, don't hesitate to ask
Cheer's
mart

I have had 2 Tigers and 2 Pershings. The Tigers had minor issues mechanically though not right away. The pershings have had minor issues but overall both are good tanks. As far as inaccuracy of the Tiger orignally the mantlets were on the wrong side and the most common compaint with the earlier HL was the barrel lengths which look like they were in a recoil position hence shorter. To be honest I never even noticed that was a problem. You don;t have to go full blown Tamiya that and this or EL MOD and all the othr fancy expensive stuff to have a great reliable nice looking Tank. Just some things like improving the springs if you plan to use metal tracks, and adding a few details can give you a happy tank without the expense. Remember you can go as far as you like with these with a low budget or go big budget. I have run straight stock and most have had some upgrade or 2 to make them more reliable or more accurate looking. I chose my Tiger for the fancy do dads and accuracy upgrades the rest of my Tanks will have mods of various kinds. There are so many great ideas and pics of incredible work it's mind blowing but exciting to see what can be done with a HL or Tamiya. Don't feel pressured though that you can't have a great tank unless you have the top gear. If you decide to go that route there are many experts here and if not and you just like them as is then there's nothing wrong with that too. One day if I have time and budget allows I like to take a stab at a Tamiya KT or Leopard 2 and build it right out of the box. One thing is for sure you will learn a lot about these great RC tanks. Thier cool, addictive, and fun. You made a fine choice with your entry to this world of RC Tanks. [8D]

This debate could go on forever.....

I comes down to two simple factors. What do you want to do with your tank? & How much do you want to spend? The Heng Long is a great start and the Tamiya is a supurb finish. In between is a whole lot of fun. Enjoy your tanks Tankford...We are here to help when needed. First and foremost whatever you build must be reliable. Static tanks are only nice to look at for a short period. A tank you can run or better yet battle is fun for hours.
Let me know if you need those Tiger parts..Bob

thanks for the offer on the parts , ill wait a see what i get , finally got an email from bill at rccommand , should be shipping next week .