I want to get a truggy and cant deicide on which one of these two to get so and reviews would be good aswell as the speed of both

No contest..Hyper St is much better...the Hellfire is very weak IMO !

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had both,the hellfire is terrible imo. me and a freind used to laugh at how it had the turning circle of a cruise liner,hyper st is heavy but tough..go for it.

Hyper all the way. I would save the little bit of money and go with the Kit though since I think it is cheaper than the RTR and use the extra money to put towards a used specktrum or something and a motor and servos. I think you will be way happier.

thanks

also what about the losi muggy

I can't say anything bad about the muggy. It's a losi with a good stock engine(427) and somes with a descent radio. I would get one great servo and get rid of the dual steering servo's. I would however be concerned about the diffs but then again i haven't heard anything bad about them.

It's not considered a truggy though. It's more of a monster truck.

Muggy is awesome... It's not a monster truck due to the flat chassis and no transmission. It's a truggy on steroids. AWESOME truck, but it won't compete with competent truggy racers if you are looking to race. I am a big fan of the muggy just for its size and cool factor.

+1 on the hyper

Your right about the flat chassis and no trans.
I call it a monster truck because it's not competitive with the truggies, as a result it runs in the monster truck class here.
So, Monster truck in my book.
It gave my revo a run for the money for a while but that was it.

Both are not what I would call "good truggies", fair but their are much truggies on the market for similar money..The Muggy has clutch problems, strange spec on the hubs (hexes 20mm) the excessively wide tires is the cause for the clutch problems, switching to 17mm hexes is the most recommended hop up..but overall the Muggy is good..a better choice than the Hyper or Hellfire..

just curious how wide tires create problems with the clutch? is it the weight or what. does that same idea apply to real monster trucks for example a savage or just Muggy?

The wider the tires, the more resistant you'll have.

Hyper ST RTR or Roller
Losi 8ight-T also good... IMO

Whats yalls opinion of the jammin truggy?

X1 or X2 ?....BIG difference.