i think the mass formation flying should be not done, maybe the pilots dont have the correct military type training needed. its all a terrible mess now. Going to many airshows i never used to see warbirds do anything but flybys, now they do full aerobatic routines. |Something has to be done to investigate the causes. the vid doesnt show the crash but they were all really low doing pullups and banks 45* or more. Its too bad and very sad

I think you will find the pilot was extremely experienced with plenty of hours in this type of flying. Nothing I have seen or heard has led me to believe mass formation flying was a factor.

The accident will be exhaustively investigated by the AAIB and I'm sure that any recomendations that come out of the accident will be fully adopted.

Best regards

Jason

Sad to see another WWII plane go in. I was at Duxford when the Firefly went in.

I would like to commend the UK airshow circuit attitude. The show went on, as it should have. Maybe our airshows in the US could learn from them.

Seeing the show at Duxford is still the best show I have been too. There is nothing like seeing the mock combat and full-bore passes on the deck, thats what the planes were designed for.

yes in 1942 not 2007. Unless you have a 100% new airframe its a big risk. There has to be a reason all these are happening this year. People are no longer happy watching flybys they want to see someone risk his life . Airshow attendance has declined linearly over the years. Kids are no longer interested and in school they are more interested in getting dates than learning them.
20 years ago every town had some type of show not anymore

Most airshow related incidents this year have been non-warbird types, meaning the age of the aircraft has nothing to do with it. None of the incidents at Reno this year involved vintage types. I've been going to airshows for a long time as well and, quite honestly, the flying I see done today is much more subdued than it was 10 or 20 years ago in most cases. The people who own, operate, and restore these airplanes are not stupid and are fully aware of the rising value of the aircraft and so accordingly are much less likely to risk that investment doing something dumb. I think if you look through the records you will find that there were substantially more warbird related accident in the '70s and '80s then there are now. Maintenance and pilot proficiency have improved dramatically and, despite the age of the aircraft, warbird operations are much safer now than they were then. My .02 cents worth.

Well said Chad.

This airframe has just emerged from a thorough overhaul by some very talented warbird specialists and was probaly in as good a condition as the day it emerged from the Hawkers factory.

Best regards

Jason

If I am not mistaken the re-build of this particular aircraft can be seen on the Hawker Restorations site, not sure the URL at the moment.

Dave

is there a vid that actually shows the crash itself

Tim Thompson seems to relish warbird crashes. Every time one goes in he's on here getting everyone's dander up. Watch out, before too long he'll go cry to a moderator and get this thread closed just like the Ohio P-51 thread. The best policy is jsut try to ignore him.

Tim

Deeply sad news indeed. Brian Brown comes from my Town of Doncaster and was well known in the piston warbird circles. He worked with the [link=http://www.realaero.com]Real Aeroplane Company[/link] at Breighton 15 miles from Town.

I snapped a few pictures of him taking the Hurricane out at Breighton a few months ago.

He will be sadly missed.

Pilots have a greater chance of getting hurt in a car crash than in the airplanes they fly. The planes are probably in better shape now than when they were in military service.

It is sad to lose a plane, any plane. Be it at an airshow, an air race, a private plane or an airliner, even an r/c plane. Don't tell me you don't feel a bit sad when you crash one of your r/c planes. No one wants to go out and crash. It just happens. And hopefully we all learn from the crash.

If you fly, the risk is always there.

We should honor the pilots and keep the airshows flying. They gave their life doing what they loved.

See ya,
Rod

are their any videos? I HAVE BEEN VERY CIVIL UNLIKE OOK! YOU ARE FLAMING AND DEGRADING. im not saying to not fly them , it will be interesting when the causes all come back. I DO NOT RELISH CRASHES THAT IS A TERRIBLE THING TO SAY EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION. i feel sorry for the pilots and families geeze

Could it be that the higher number of warbird accidents is proportionally related to the fact there are more warbirds flying today than ever before?

good thought there you are correct. also all the replicas out there!

http://www.hawker-restorations-ltd.co.uk/index.html

I found the link however I am mistaken in that the aircraft shown being re-built is not G-HURR, in fact these aircraft are re-built from many new parts with very little of the original aircraft being used. With over 35,000 man-hours per aircraft, they do a remarkable job.

Today a classic is lost and more importantly a family is grieving, let's not lose the big picture here, I'm sure in time all the answers will come out.

Regardless of whether these aircrat are flown aggresively or passively, to ban them from flying would do an injustice to the memory of those who flew them in the past and those who will fly them in the future. Much like our scale aircraft, they were meant to fly not be stared at in a museum.

I think I just broke my soapbox, off to the pub for a beer...

Dave

i dont think anyone is calling on a ban. but if these continue that may happen. Most restorers do know what they are doing but i know of cases where money talks over experience. There was a vid on youtube of a pilot landing and ground looping a mustang doing damage to the plane. He was obviously inexperienced and in the vid you see and hear his wife laughing and saying he will get another one.
How old was the pilot. could g forces be a factor. So Sad anyway you look at it and i appreciate you guys not jumping on ooks bandwagon thank you

It is very sad.
I hate when this accidents happen, its not because they are flown agressively, or are too old (I bet they are better maintained now than in WWII), it just happens, are accidents.
Remember a fact that more planes were destroyed and pilots killed in WW2 by accidents than shot down.

EL Kapitan why arent you working lol very said can someone tell me why would you want to see someone losesing there life wrong verv wrong

huh?

You have no idea what you're talking about. The Mustang in question was being flown by an experienced pilot. The woman in the video is not the wife of the Mustang owner/pilot but the wife of the man receiving a ride in the Mustang. Mistakes are made even by the most experienced of pilots and this accident had nothing to do with not being experienced.

ok so a botched landing is normal?? why was the vid taken off youtube? he not only botched it he almost flipped the aircraft over. Are we talking about the same incident? I dont think we are. The one I saw there was noone in the back seat and it was a very bad approach, lots of corrections and it was not windy. Can you find the video kin question. i have no idea what im talking about sounds like trying to embarrass in my book. Oh well have a good day

I hope this thread can be put to bed as seems to have entered the bounds of pointless speculation in regards other incidents.

Needless to say the accident will be thoroughly investigated and the warbird community will I'm sure take on board any recomendations the investigators make.

Finally my thoughts go out to the family & friends of the pilot.

Best regards

Jason

totally agree

Here is the video

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UJ7NtuWOpTg

ya I saw that one too bad it doesnt show whaqt happened the hurricane looked as if it was in complete control at all times