Ernie P.

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Nope; not the Baron. Maybe this will help. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What ace do I describe?

Clues:

(1) His name is on all the lists, prominently so.

(2) After being rejected for pilot training, he learned to fly at his own expense.

(3) Considered, at best, to be a very ordinary pilot, he suffered a number of mishaps from his poor flying.

(4) After a year’s service, during which he achieved notable success, he was given an extended leave.

(5) He voluntarily returned to action and was killed less than three months later.

(6) A noted and successful athlete.

(7) It is still debated as to whether he was hit from a bullet fired by an enemy aviator or one fired from the ground.

(8) In the beginning of his flying career, he suffered from airsickness.

(9) A tenacious aerial fighter, he once landed, cleared his jammed machine guns and rejoined the fight.

psb667

william bishop

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Mick Mannock?

Ernie P.

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No, not Bishop or Mannock. This clue may shed some light. As a hint: Most WWI aces, at least those who were the most successful, learned early that being aggressive and fearless could get in the way of survival. This ace was one who was noted for tackling the enemy wherever and whenever he found him. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What ace do I describe?

Clues:

(1) His name is on all the lists, prominently so.

(2) After being rejected for pilot training, he learned to fly at his own expense.

(3) Considered, at best, to be a very ordinary pilot, he suffered a number of mishaps from his poor flying.

(4) After a year’s service, during which he achieved notable success, he was given an extended leave.

(5) He voluntarily returned to action and was killed less than three months later.

(6) A noted and successful athlete.

(7) It is still debated as to whether he was hit from a bullet fired by an enemy aviator or one fired from the ground.

(8) In the beginning of his flying career, he suffered from airsickness.

(9) A tenacious aerial fighter, he once landed, cleared his jammed machine guns and rejoined the fight.

(10) Noted for being a crack shot and very, very aggressive.

The Raven

Clue 7 gives it away but I'll leave it to others to guess who it is

Ernie P.

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I have no doubt you know the answer. But for the others, here's a night time clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What ace do I describe?

Clues:

(1) His name is on all the lists, prominently so.

(2) After being rejected for pilot training, he learned to fly at his own expense.

(3) Considered, at best, to be a very ordinary pilot, he suffered a number of mishaps from his poor flying.

(4) After a year’s service, during which he achieved notable success, he was given an extended leave.

(5) He voluntarily returned to action and was killed less than three months later.

(6) A noted and successful athlete.

(7) It is still debated as to whether he was hit from a bullet fired by an enemy aviator or one fired from the ground.

(8) In the beginning of his flying career, he suffered from airsickness.

(9) A tenacious aerial fighter, he once landed, cleared his jammed machine guns and rejoined the fight.

(10) Noted for being a crack shot and very, very aggressive.

(11) He loved flowers.

Mein Duff

Clue 7.......There is also still debate as to whether Richtofen was killed by ground or arial fire...so not a conclusive clue.

Mein Duff

Albert Ball?

Ernie P.

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No, not Ball. But think about it and try again. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What ace do I describe?

Clues:

(1) His name is on all the lists, prominently so.

(2) After being rejected for pilot training, he learned to fly at his own expense.

(3) Considered, at best, to be a very ordinary pilot, he suffered a number of mishaps from his poor flying.

(4) After a year’s service, during which he achieved notable success, he was given an extended leave.

(5) He voluntarily returned to action and was killed less than three months later.

(6) A noted and successful athlete.

(7) It is still debated as to whether he was hit from a bullet fired by an enemy aviator or one fired from the ground.

(8) In the beginning of his flying career, he suffered from airsickness.

(9) A tenacious aerial fighter, he once landed, cleared his jammed machine guns and rejoined the fight.

(10) Noted for being a crack shot and very, very aggressive.

(11) He loved flowers.

(12) One of the most successful triplane pilots.

psb667

could be nather

Ernie P.

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No, not Max Nather. A big clue this time. Thanks; Ernie P.



Question: What ace do I describe?

Clues:

(1) His name is on all the lists, prominently so.

(2) After being rejected for pilot training, he learned to fly at his own expense.

(3) Considered, at best, to be a very ordinary pilot, he suffered a number of mishaps from his poor flying.

(4) After a year’s service, during which he achieved notable success, he was given an extended leave.

(5) He voluntarily returned to action and was killed less than three months later.

(6) A noted and successful athlete.

(7) It is still debated as to whether he was hit from a bullet fired by an enemy aviator or one fired from the ground.

(8) In the beginning of his flying career, he suffered from airsickness.

(9) A tenacious aerial fighter, he once landed, cleared his jammed machine guns and rejoined the fight.

(10) Noted for being a crack shot and very, very aggressive.

(11) He loved flowers.

(12) One of the most successful triplane pilots.

(13) And could handle a cobra really well.

Ernie P.

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An afternoon clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What ace do I describe?

Clues:

(1) His name is on all the lists, prominently so.

(2) After being rejected for pilot training, he learned to fly at his own expense.

(3) Considered, at best, to be a very ordinary pilot, he suffered a number of mishaps from his poor flying.

(4) After a year’s service, during which he achieved notable success, he was given an extended leave.

(5) He voluntarily returned to action and was killed less than three months later.

(6) A noted and successful athlete.

(7) It is still debated as to whether he was hit from a bullet fired by an enemy aviator or one fired from the ground.

(8) In the beginning of his flying career, he suffered from airsickness.

(9) A tenacious aerial fighter, he once landed, cleared his jammed machine guns and rejoined the fight.

(10) Noted for being a crack shot and very, very aggressive.

(11) He loved flowers.

(12) One of the most successful triplane pilots.

(13) And could handle a cobra really well.

(14) His son’s nickname and his airplane’s name were the same.

Mein Duff

Raymond Collishaw?

Mein Duff

OOPS.. Collishaw survived the war.....hummm

Ernie P.

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Wow! This is lasting longer than I could have ever imagined. Well, for discerning enthusiasts, this should do it. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What ace do I describe?

Clues:

(1) His name is on all the lists, prominently so.

(2) After being rejected for pilot training, he learned to fly at his own expense.

(3) Considered, at best, to be a very ordinary pilot, he suffered a number of mishaps from his poor flying.

(4) After a year’s service, during which he achieved notable success, he was given an extended leave.

(5) He voluntarily returned to action and was killed less than three months later.

(6) A noted and successful athlete.

(7) It is still debated as to whether he was hit from a bullet fired by an enemy aviator or one fired from the ground.

(8) In the beginning of his flying career, he suffered from airsickness.

(9) A tenacious aerial fighter, he once landed, cleared his jammed machine guns and rejoined the fight.

(10) Noted for being a crack shot and very, very aggressive.

(11) He loved flowers.

(12) One of the most successful triplane pilots.

(13) And could handle a cobra really well.

(14) His son’s nickname and his airplane’s name were the same.

(13) His nickname was that of a cobra killer.

psb667

little

psb667

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Little

Ernie P.

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You nailed it, psb667; Robert Little it is. The most successful Australian ace of WWI, Little was noted for his keen eyes and crack shooting. Coupling a willingness to singlehandedly tackle enemy formations, and a tenacious attitude when once engaged, he rose to the top of the lists very quickly. Okay, psb667; you're up. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What ace do I describe?

Clues:

(1) His name is on all the lists, prominently so.

(2) After being rejected for pilot training, he learned to fly at his own expense.

(3) Considered, at best, to be a very ordinary pilot, he suffered a number of mishaps from his poor flying.

(4) After a year’s service, during which he achieved notable success, he was given an extended leave.

(5) He voluntarily returned to action and was killed less than three months later.

(6) A noted and successful athlete.

(7) It is still debated as to whether he was hit from a bullet fired by an enemy aviator or one fired from the ground.

(8) In the beginning of his flying career, he suffered from airsickness.

(9) A tenacious aerial fighter, he once landed, cleared his jammed machine guns and rejoined the fight.

(10) Noted for being a crack shot and very, very aggressive.

(11) He loved flowers.

(12) One of the most successful triplane pilots.

(13) And could handle a cobra really well.

(14) His son’s nickname and his airplane’s name were the same.

(15) His nickname was that of a cobra killer.

(16) The difficulties in (8) above were probably brought about by castor oil.

Answer: Robert Alexander Little















Robert Alexander Little DSO & Bar, DSC & Bar (19 July 1895 – 27 May 1918) is officially regarded as the most successful Australian flying ace of World War I, with a total of forty-seven aerial victories. Born in Victoria, he travelled to England in 1915 and learnt to fly at his own expense before joining the Royal Naval Air Service (RNAS). Posted to the Western Front in June 1916, he flew Sopwith Pups, Triplanes and Camels with No. 8 Squadron RNAS, achieving thirty-eight victories within a year and earning the Distinguished Service Order and Bar, the Distinguished Service Cross and Bar, and the French Croix de Guerre. Rested in July 1917, he volunteered to return to the front in March 1918 and scored a further nine victories with No. 3 Squadron RNAS (later No. 203 Squadron RAF) before he was killed in action on the night of 27 May, aged twenty-two.

Little was born on 19 July 1895 at Hawthorn, a suburb of Melbourne, to Canadian James Little, a seller of medical and surgical books, and his Victorian wife Susan. His family heritage was Scottish, and he was educated at Scotch College in Melbourne, where he was a swimming medallist, before entering his father's business as a traveling salesman. He was living with his family at Windsor when World War I broke out in August 1914.

Long interested in aviation, Little decided to apply for pilot training at the Australian Army's Central Flying School in Point Cook, but with only four vacancies, he was rejected along with hundreds of others. He then decided to sail for England in July 1915 and become a qualified pilot at his own expense. Gaining his flying certificate with the Royal Aero Club at Hendon in October, he joined the Royal Naval Air Service (RNAS) as a probationary flight sub-lieutenant on 14 January 1916. He suffered badly from air sickness early on, most likely brought on by fumes from castor oil that was employed as an engine lubricant in the aircraft he flew in England.

Little arrived in France in June 1916 for service with No. 1 (Naval) Wing at Dunkirk, where he initially flew Sopwith 1Β½ Strutters in bombing raids. He married Vera Gertrude Field at the Congregational Church, Dover, on 16 September. The next month he was posted to No. 8 Squadron RNAS ("Naval Eight") flying Sopwith Pups on the Western Front, under fellow Australian Stanley Goble. Little scored his first aerial victory on 23 November, destroying an enemy two-seater north-east of La BassΓ©e. By the following February, he had four victories to his credit and was awarded the Distinguished Service Cross (DSC) for "conspicuous bravery in successfully attacking and bringing down hostile machines". In one action on 4 December, Little and Goble "fought like mad" against a large formation of German fighters, each claiming a Halberstadt; Little did not return to base with Goble and was thought lost, but had only landed near Allied lines to clear his jammed gun before taking off again to continue the fight.

On 24 April 1917, Little engaged a DFW C.V, forcing it to land. He then followed the German aircraft down to claim it as captured and personally take its crew prisoner at gunpoint. The Australian flipped his own plane in a ditch after touching down, however, prompting the surrendering enemy pilot to suggest: "It looks as if I have brought you down, not you me, doesn't it?" Naval Eight's conversion to the Sopwith Triplane in April saw Little begin to score heavily, eventually registering twenty-four victories on the type to bring his total up to twenty-eight by 10 July, including twin victories in a day on four occasions. He was the squadron's top scorer with the Triplane, mostly in one particular airframe, N5493, that he christened "Blymp", which also became the nickname of his baby son. The unit then began flying Sopwith Camels, in which he scored a further ten kills in July to make fourteen all-up for the month. When he subsequently rotated back to England for rest, he was ranked Flight Lieutenant and credited with a total of thirty-eight victories, including fifteen destroyed or captured. A bar to his DSC had been gazetted on 29 June, for "exceptional daring and skill in aerial fighting on many occasions", and he received the French Croix de Guerre on 11 July, becomingβ€”along with fellow Australian RNAS ace Roderic (Stan) Dallasβ€”one of the first three British Empire pilots to be so decorated. In August, he was awarded the Distinguished Service Order "for exceptional skill and daring", followed by a bar to the decoration in September for "remarkable courage and boldness in attacking enemy machines". He was mentioned in dispatches on 11 December, and promoted to flight commander the following month.

Despite Little's prowess in combat, as an aviator he was ordinary at best, enduring a number of crash-landings. What gave him his edge as a fighter pilot was his keen eye, excellent marksmanship, and willingness to single-handedly take on entire enemy formations and close in on his preyβ€”down to twenty-five yards on occasionβ€”before opening fire. Fellow No. 8 Squadron member Reggie Soar recalled, "Although not a polished pilot, he was one of the most aggressive ... an outstanding shot with both revolver and rifle...", while ace Robert Comptson described Little as "not so much a leader as a brilliant lone hand ... Small in stature, with face set grimly, he seemed the epitome of deadliness". His squadron nicknamed him "Rikki", after the mongoose "Rikki-Tikki-Tavi", which outstrikes cobras in the story of the same name by Rudyard Kipling. Many who knew him saw a sensitive side, however, Soar noting that in addition to his skill with guns, Little was "also a collector of wild flowers", and his wife contending that his appearance in photographs belied his sense of humour. Squadron commander Raymond Collishaw, who would finish the war as the RNAS' top-scoring ace, summed up Little as "an outstanding character, bold, aggressive and courageous, yet he was gentle and kindly. A resolute and brave man."

Following a period of rest in England, Little turned down a desk assignment and volunteered to return to action on the Western Front, joining Lieutenant Colonel Collishaw's No. 3 Squadron RNAS in March 1918. The unit evolved into No. 203 Squadron of the new Royal Air Force on 1 April, formed after the merger of the RNAS and the Royal Flying Corps. Now ranked captain, and again flying Sopwith Camels, Little gained a further nine successes, beginning with a Fokker Triplane on 1 April, and concluding with two kills in one day on 22 May, an Albatros and a DFW. During this stretch of victories, on 21 April 1918, he was brought down unharmed by Friedrich Ehmann. On 27 May, Little received reports of German Gotha bombers in the vicinity, and took off on a moonlit evening to intercept the raiders. As he closed with one of the bombers, his plane was caught in a searchlight beam and he was struck by a bullet that passed through both his thighs. He crash-landed in a field near NΕ“ux, and bled to death before he was discovered the following morning by a passing gendarme. Little's skull and ankle had also been fractured in the impact; his body was identified by his friend and fellow ace, Charles Dawson Booker. Collishaw launched an investigation but it was never established whether the single bullet that hit Little had come from a gunner in the Gotha or from the ground.

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Great read.
Thanks,

Brad

Ernie P.

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You are most welcome, Sir. That's the best part of this forum; learning. Thanks; Ernie P.

Ernie P.

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Mein Duff;

A thought regarding the "debate" over who brought down Richthofen. For what it's worth, the wasn't much debate at the time. The British General in charge of the sector gave full credit to the Australian machinegunner on the ground. Apparently, Roy Brown fully accepted it at the time. It was only much later that any debate began. There is a museum in Australia that has the original letter giving credit to the gentleman (can't remember his name at the moment) firing the machine gun. Thanks; Ernie P.

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I think the book by Norman Franks puts the debate, as to who killed the Red Baron, to rest as best possible. The bullet that killed Richtofen passed from lower right up through his heart coming out over his left nipple. This is totally in the opposite direction of Roy Brown's arial attack.
And as you mentioned, the letter later uncovered in Australia certainly seals the deal.
I have been to Richtofen's crash site in France and it still remains exactly as it was then, even the brick factory on the adjacent road is still exactly as was.
Very interesting story about Little, I had never heard of him. Good quiz !

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In 1970 at the age of 10, I read the book "Who Killed the Red Baron" by P.J. Carisella and James W. Ryan...got into a fist fight w/ another kid about who shot him down... (he said it was Brown )

I said "It was Sgt. Cedrick Basset Popkin...an Australian ground gunner"...which was highly unpopular with most of my buddies......

Several years ago, I saw a T.V. program that said it could have been either Gunners Buie or Evans, and not Popkin...?

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I don't think the bullet was ever found, so we never know conclusively which gun fired it....rifle or machine gun etc..
But I think Norman Franks very exhausting research pretty much nailed it to Popkin.

Ernie P.

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After all I have read on the subject over the past 50+ years, I have to agree that Popkin probably fired the fatal shot. I have a question half formed about Richthofen. Next chance I have, I think I'll ask it. Thanks; Ernie P.