Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz
12-10-2016, 12:57 PM
Time for another pair of clues:
1) This pilot almost washed out of flight training, He only passed due to a second instructor
2) This pilot initially flew in what amounted to a non-combat area prior to being sent into a "hot" zone
3) This pilot flew tthree different types of front line fighters at his first command before transferring to the "hot zone"
4) This pilot flew a total of six different fighters in three different organizations over his career
5) This pilot flew combat missions with three different combat organizations and with pilots from at least two other countries
6) The six fighters flown by this pilot EACH USED A DIFFERENT ENGINE
7) This pilot was promoted to squadron CO not long after changing organizations and fighter types
8) This pilot was shot down in the fifth fighter type, ending that conflict as a POW
Good Luck
1) This pilot almost washed out of flight training, He only passed due to a second instructor
2) This pilot initially flew in what amounted to a non-combat area prior to being sent into a "hot" zone
3) This pilot flew tthree different types of front line fighters at his first command before transferring to the "hot zone"
4) This pilot flew a total of six different fighters in three different organizations over his career
5) This pilot flew combat missions with three different combat organizations and with pilots from at least two other countries
6) The six fighters flown by this pilot EACH USED A DIFFERENT ENGINE
7) This pilot was promoted to squadron CO not long after changing organizations and fighter types
8) This pilot was shot down in the fifth fighter type, ending that conflict as a POW
Good Luck
Last edited by Hydro Junkie; 12-11-2016 at 01:08 PM.
12-11-2016, 01:32 PM
Okay, I found some incorrect information in my clues so, after much work, I think I have all the clues corrected. That said, it's time for more clues:
1) This pilot almost washed out of flight training, He only passed due to a second instructor
2) This pilot initially flew in what amounted to a non-combat area prior to being sent into a "hot" zone
3) This pilot flew tthree different types of front line fighters at his first command before transferring to the "hot zone"
4) This pilot flew a total of six different fighters in three different organizations over his career
5) This pilot flew combat missions with three different combat organizations and with pilots from at least two other countries
6) The six fighters flown by this pilot EACH USED A DIFFERENT ENGINE
7) This pilot was promoted to squadron CO not long after changing organizations and fighter types
8) This pilot crashed while on a combat mission, due to pilot error, in his fifth fighter type. He ended that conflict as a POW
9) The fighters flown by this pilot each increased speed and firepower over the previously flown model(s)
10) This pilot flew in two different conflicts
1) This pilot almost washed out of flight training, He only passed due to a second instructor
2) This pilot initially flew in what amounted to a non-combat area prior to being sent into a "hot" zone
3) This pilot flew tthree different types of front line fighters at his first command before transferring to the "hot zone"
4) This pilot flew a total of six different fighters in three different organizations over his career
5) This pilot flew combat missions with three different combat organizations and with pilots from at least two other countries
6) The six fighters flown by this pilot EACH USED A DIFFERENT ENGINE
7) This pilot was promoted to squadron CO not long after changing organizations and fighter types
8) This pilot crashed while on a combat mission, due to pilot error, in his fifth fighter type. He ended that conflict as a POW
9) The fighters flown by this pilot each increased speed and firepower over the previously flown model(s)
10) This pilot flew in two different conflicts
Last edited by Hydro Junkie; 12-12-2016 at 03:39 PM.
12-12-2016, 04:13 PM
Okay, I owe a Thanks to a couple of regulars for pointing out an error in clue 8. I have since fixed the clue so it's now time for another pair:
1) This pilot almost washed out of flight training, He only passed due to a second instructor
2) This pilot initially flew in what amounted to a non-combat area prior to being sent into a "hot" zone
3) This pilot flew tthree different types of front line fighters at his first command before transferring to the "hot zone"
4) This pilot flew a total of six different fighters in three different organizations over his career
5) This pilot flew combat missions with three different combat organizations and with pilots from at least two other countries
6) The six fighters flown by this pilot EACH USED A DIFFERENT ENGINE
7) This pilot was promoted to squadron CO not long after changing organizations and fighter types
8) This pilot crashed while on a combat mission, due to pilot error, in his fifth fighter type. He ended that conflict as a POW
9) The fighters flown by this pilot each increased speed and firepower over the previously flown model(s)
10) This pilot flew in two different conflicts
11) While a POW, this pilot was housed in the same camp as his former squadron commanding officer
12) This pilot was an ace in both conflicts
1) This pilot almost washed out of flight training, He only passed due to a second instructor
2) This pilot initially flew in what amounted to a non-combat area prior to being sent into a "hot" zone
3) This pilot flew tthree different types of front line fighters at his first command before transferring to the "hot zone"
4) This pilot flew a total of six different fighters in three different organizations over his career
5) This pilot flew combat missions with three different combat organizations and with pilots from at least two other countries
6) The six fighters flown by this pilot EACH USED A DIFFERENT ENGINE
7) This pilot was promoted to squadron CO not long after changing organizations and fighter types
8) This pilot crashed while on a combat mission, due to pilot error, in his fifth fighter type. He ended that conflict as a POW
9) The fighters flown by this pilot each increased speed and firepower over the previously flown model(s)
10) This pilot flew in two different conflicts
11) While a POW, this pilot was housed in the same camp as his former squadron commanding officer
12) This pilot was an ace in both conflicts
12-13-2016, 03:21 PM
And, once again, it's time for a pair of clues:
1) This pilot almost washed out of flight training, He only passed due to a second instructor
2) This pilot initially flew in what amounted to a non-combat area prior to being sent into a "hot" zone
3) This pilot flew tthree different types of front line fighters at his first command before transferring to the "hot zone"
4) This pilot flew a total of six different fighters in three different organizations over his career
5) This pilot flew combat missions with three different combat organizations and with pilots from at least two other countries
6) The six fighters flown by this pilot EACH USED A DIFFERENT ENGINE
7) This pilot was promoted to squadron CO not long after changing organizations and fighter types
8) This pilot crashed while on a combat mission, due to pilot error, in his fifth fighter type. He ended that conflict as a POW
9) The fighters flown by this pilot each increased speed and firepower over the previously flown model(s)
10) This pilot flew in two different conflicts
11) While a POW, this pilot was housed in the same camp as his former squadron commanding officer
12) This pilot was an ace in both conflicts
13) This pilot was, between the two conflicts, his country's third highest scoring ace
14) Most of this pilots confirmed victories were in his first conflict
Okay, one more for good measure:
15) All of this pilots confirmed victories were scored while flying the fastest two fighters he flew in combat
1) This pilot almost washed out of flight training, He only passed due to a second instructor
2) This pilot initially flew in what amounted to a non-combat area prior to being sent into a "hot" zone
3) This pilot flew tthree different types of front line fighters at his first command before transferring to the "hot zone"
4) This pilot flew a total of six different fighters in three different organizations over his career
5) This pilot flew combat missions with three different combat organizations and with pilots from at least two other countries
6) The six fighters flown by this pilot EACH USED A DIFFERENT ENGINE
7) This pilot was promoted to squadron CO not long after changing organizations and fighter types
8) This pilot crashed while on a combat mission, due to pilot error, in his fifth fighter type. He ended that conflict as a POW
9) The fighters flown by this pilot each increased speed and firepower over the previously flown model(s)
10) This pilot flew in two different conflicts
11) While a POW, this pilot was housed in the same camp as his former squadron commanding officer
12) This pilot was an ace in both conflicts
13) This pilot was, between the two conflicts, his country's third highest scoring ace
14) Most of this pilots confirmed victories were in his first conflict
Okay, one more for good measure:
15) All of this pilots confirmed victories were scored while flying the fastest two fighters he flew in combat
12-13-2016, 07:14 PM
Nope, not Bob Hoover. Per some of the clues here's why:
1) Bob was a natural pilot, the pilot in question almost washed out of flight school
2) Bob only flew combat in one conflict, not two
3) Every plane the pilot in question flew had a different engine, the planes Bob flew both had Merlins
Time for another clue:
1) This pilot almost washed out of flight training, He only passed due to a second instructor
2) This pilot initially flew in what amounted to a non-combat area prior to being sent into a "hot" zone
3) This pilot flew tthree different types of front line fighters at his first command before transferring to the "hot zone"
4) This pilot flew a total of six different fighters in three different organizations over his career
5) This pilot flew combat missions with three different combat organizations and with pilots from at least two other countries
6) The six fighters flown by this pilot EACH USED A DIFFERENT ENGINE
7) This pilot was promoted to squadron CO not long after changing organizations and fighter types
8) This pilot crashed while on a combat mission, due to pilot error, in his fifth fighter type. He ended that conflict as a POW
9) The fighters flown by this pilot each increased speed and firepower over the previously flown model(s)
10) This pilot flew in two different conflicts
11) While a POW, this pilot was housed in the same camp as his former squadron commanding officer
12) This pilot was an ace in both conflicts
13) This pilot was, between the two conflicts, his country's third highest scoring ace
14) Most of this pilots confirmed victories were in his first conflict
Okay, one more for good measure:
15) All of this pilots confirmed victories were scored while flying the fastest two fighters he flew in combat
16) The first combat plane this pilot flew had an open cockpit and was obsolete
1) Bob was a natural pilot, the pilot in question almost washed out of flight school
2) Bob only flew combat in one conflict, not two
3) Every plane the pilot in question flew had a different engine, the planes Bob flew both had Merlins
Time for another clue:
1) This pilot almost washed out of flight training, He only passed due to a second instructor
2) This pilot initially flew in what amounted to a non-combat area prior to being sent into a "hot" zone
3) This pilot flew tthree different types of front line fighters at his first command before transferring to the "hot zone"
4) This pilot flew a total of six different fighters in three different organizations over his career
5) This pilot flew combat missions with three different combat organizations and with pilots from at least two other countries
6) The six fighters flown by this pilot EACH USED A DIFFERENT ENGINE
7) This pilot was promoted to squadron CO not long after changing organizations and fighter types
8) This pilot crashed while on a combat mission, due to pilot error, in his fifth fighter type. He ended that conflict as a POW
9) The fighters flown by this pilot each increased speed and firepower over the previously flown model(s)
10) This pilot flew in two different conflicts
11) While a POW, this pilot was housed in the same camp as his former squadron commanding officer
12) This pilot was an ace in both conflicts
13) This pilot was, between the two conflicts, his country's third highest scoring ace
14) Most of this pilots confirmed victories were in his first conflict
Okay, one more for good measure:
15) All of this pilots confirmed victories were scored while flying the fastest two fighters he flew in combat
16) The first combat plane this pilot flew had an open cockpit and was obsolete
12-14-2016, 02:58 AM
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Nope, not Bob Hoover. Per some of the clues here's why:
1) Bob was a natural pilot, the pilot in question almost washed out of flight school
2) Bob only flew combat in one conflict, not two
3) Every plane the pilot in question flew had a different engine, the planes Bob flew both had Merlins
Time for another clue:
1) This pilot almost washed out of flight training, He only passed due to a second instructor
2) This pilot initially flew in what amounted to a non-combat area prior to being sent into a "hot" zone
3) This pilot flew tthree different types of front line fighters at his first command before transferring to the "hot zone"
4) This pilot flew a total of six different fighters in three different organizations over his career
5) This pilot flew combat missions with three different combat organizations and with pilots from at least two other countries
6) The six fighters flown by this pilot EACH USED A DIFFERENT ENGINE
7) This pilot was promoted to squadron CO not long after changing organizations and fighter types
8) This pilot crashed while on a combat mission, due to pilot error, in his fifth fighter type. He ended that conflict as a POW
9) The fighters flown by this pilot each increased speed and firepower over the previously flown model(s)
10) This pilot flew in two different conflicts
11) While a POW, this pilot was housed in the same camp as his former squadron commanding officer
12) This pilot was an ace in both conflicts
13) This pilot was, between the two conflicts, his country's third highest scoring ace
14) Most of this pilots confirmed victories were in his first conflict
Okay, one more for good measure:
15) All of this pilots confirmed victories were scored while flying the fastest two fighters he flew in combat
16) The first combat plane this pilot flew had an open cockpit and was obsolete
1) Bob was a natural pilot, the pilot in question almost washed out of flight school
2) Bob only flew combat in one conflict, not two
3) Every plane the pilot in question flew had a different engine, the planes Bob flew both had Merlins
Time for another clue:
1) This pilot almost washed out of flight training, He only passed due to a second instructor
2) This pilot initially flew in what amounted to a non-combat area prior to being sent into a "hot" zone
3) This pilot flew tthree different types of front line fighters at his first command before transferring to the "hot zone"
4) This pilot flew a total of six different fighters in three different organizations over his career
5) This pilot flew combat missions with three different combat organizations and with pilots from at least two other countries
6) The six fighters flown by this pilot EACH USED A DIFFERENT ENGINE
7) This pilot was promoted to squadron CO not long after changing organizations and fighter types
8) This pilot crashed while on a combat mission, due to pilot error, in his fifth fighter type. He ended that conflict as a POW
9) The fighters flown by this pilot each increased speed and firepower over the previously flown model(s)
10) This pilot flew in two different conflicts
11) While a POW, this pilot was housed in the same camp as his former squadron commanding officer
12) This pilot was an ace in both conflicts
13) This pilot was, between the two conflicts, his country's third highest scoring ace
14) Most of this pilots confirmed victories were in his first conflict
Okay, one more for good measure:
15) All of this pilots confirmed victories were scored while flying the fastest two fighters he flew in combat
16) The first combat plane this pilot flew had an open cockpit and was obsolete
Any one ever notice that many of the really lethal fighter pilots were NOT natural pilots? Could this be the subject of a question one day? In the interim, keep it up Hydro Junkie. Thanks; Ernie P.
12-14-2016, 06:22 AM
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Any one ever notice that many of the really lethal fighter pilots were NOT natural pilots? Could this be the subject of a question one day? In the interim, keep it up Hydro Junkie. Thanks; Ernie P.
With today's highly technical version of combat, I wonder whether 20-20 or better uncorrected vision is still as important as it used to be. I understand that the military still requires it.
12-14-2016, 01:20 PM
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Thanks Ernie, to some degree, i would disagree with you.
1) Bob was not a natural pilot. he had horrible motion sickness and only by sticking with it he worked through it. yes he taught himself aerobatics and was a great pilot.
2) he did almost wash out of flight school at first. he had a second instructor that took him up and passed him during the instrument phase. he had to teach himself to "trust" the instruments. seat of pant flying was contrary to what the instruments were telling him.
3) he did fly more than one engine, he flew them all. not in combat but as a test pilot in Casablanca and he ferried the planes to the front lines.
4)Bob did fly the F86 in korea, he was just told he could not engage in a dogfight.
you have a tough question i will have to dig deeper for sure.
Thanks Racerroo
1) Bob was not a natural pilot. he had horrible motion sickness and only by sticking with it he worked through it. yes he taught himself aerobatics and was a great pilot.
2) he did almost wash out of flight school at first. he had a second instructor that took him up and passed him during the instrument phase. he had to teach himself to "trust" the instruments. seat of pant flying was contrary to what the instruments were telling him.
3) he did fly more than one engine, he flew them all. not in combat but as a test pilot in Casablanca and he ferried the planes to the front lines.
4)Bob did fly the F86 in korea, he was just told he could not engage in a dogfight.
you have a tough question i will have to dig deeper for sure.
Thanks Racerroo
12-14-2016, 03:01 PM
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Thanks Ernie, to some degree, i would disagree with you.
1) Bob was not a natural pilot. he had horrible motion sickness and only by sticking with it he worked through it. yes he taught himself aerobatics and was a great pilot.
2) he did almost wash out of flight school at first. he had a second instructor that took him up and passed him during the instrument phase. he had to teach himself to "trust" the instruments. seat of pant flying was contrary to what the instruments were telling him.
3) he did fly more than one engine, he flew them all. not in combat but as a test pilot in Casablanca and he ferried the planes to the front lines.
4)Bob did fly the F86 in korea, he was just told he could not engage in a dogfight.
you have a tough question i will have to dig deeper for sure.
Thanks Racerroo
1) Bob was not a natural pilot. he had horrible motion sickness and only by sticking with it he worked through it. yes he taught himself aerobatics and was a great pilot.
2) he did almost wash out of flight school at first. he had a second instructor that took him up and passed him during the instrument phase. he had to teach himself to "trust" the instruments. seat of pant flying was contrary to what the instruments were telling him.
3) he did fly more than one engine, he flew them all. not in combat but as a test pilot in Casablanca and he ferried the planes to the front lines.
4)Bob did fly the F86 in korea, he was just told he could not engage in a dogfight.
you have a tough question i will have to dig deeper for sure.
Thanks Racerroo
12-16-2016, 07:21 PM
Okay, now that the debate over Bob Hoover is completed, I will say Zemke isn't it either. Time for another clue:
2) Bob only flew combat in one conflict, not two
3) Every plane the pilot in question flew had a different engine, the planes Bob flew both had Merlins
Time for another clue:
1) This pilot almost washed out of flight training, He only passed due to a second instructor
2) This pilot initially flew in what amounted to a non-combat area prior to being sent into a "hot" zone
3) This pilot flew tthree different types of front line fighters at his first command before transferring to the "hot zone"
4) This pilot flew a total of six different fighters in three different organizations over his career
5) This pilot flew combat missions with three different combat organizations and with pilots from at least two other countries
6) The six fighters flown by this pilot EACH USED A DIFFERENT ENGINE
7) This pilot was promoted to squadron CO not long after changing organizations and fighter types
8) This pilot crashed while on a combat mission, due to pilot error, in his fifth fighter type. He ended that conflict as a POW
9) The fighters flown by this pilot each increased speed and firepower over the previously flown model(s)
10) This pilot flew in two different conflicts
11) While a POW, this pilot was housed in the same camp as his former squadron commanding officer
12) This pilot was an ace in both conflicts
13) This pilot was, between the two conflicts, his country's third highest scoring ace
14) Most of this pilots confirmed victories were in his first conflict
Okay, one more for good measure:
15) All of this pilots confirmed victories were scored while flying the fastest two fighters he flew in combat
16) The first combat plane this pilot flew had an open cockpit and was obsolete
17) The third plane this pilot flew on combat missions was a redesign of the second one he flew while the second was the first he flew on a wartime combat mission
Good Luck
2) Bob only flew combat in one conflict, not two
3) Every plane the pilot in question flew had a different engine, the planes Bob flew both had Merlins
Time for another clue:
1) This pilot almost washed out of flight training, He only passed due to a second instructor
2) This pilot initially flew in what amounted to a non-combat area prior to being sent into a "hot" zone
3) This pilot flew tthree different types of front line fighters at his first command before transferring to the "hot zone"
4) This pilot flew a total of six different fighters in three different organizations over his career
5) This pilot flew combat missions with three different combat organizations and with pilots from at least two other countries
6) The six fighters flown by this pilot EACH USED A DIFFERENT ENGINE
7) This pilot was promoted to squadron CO not long after changing organizations and fighter types
8) This pilot crashed while on a combat mission, due to pilot error, in his fifth fighter type. He ended that conflict as a POW
9) The fighters flown by this pilot each increased speed and firepower over the previously flown model(s)
10) This pilot flew in two different conflicts
11) While a POW, this pilot was housed in the same camp as his former squadron commanding officer
12) This pilot was an ace in both conflicts
13) This pilot was, between the two conflicts, his country's third highest scoring ace
14) Most of this pilots confirmed victories were in his first conflict
Okay, one more for good measure:
15) All of this pilots confirmed victories were scored while flying the fastest two fighters he flew in combat
16) The first combat plane this pilot flew had an open cockpit and was obsolete
17) The third plane this pilot flew on combat missions was a redesign of the second one he flew while the second was the first he flew on a wartime combat mission
Good Luck
12-18-2016, 07:55 PM
AND WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!!!!
Yes, Jim, it was Gabreski.
Time for a rundown on the clues:
1) This pilot almost washed out of flight training, He only passed due to a second instructor
His first instructor, a Mr Myers, had him so scared that Myers scheduled him for an "Elimination Flight". Instructor pilot Ray Wassall felt "Gabby" was skilled enough that he sent him back into training with a second instructor
2) This pilot initially flew in what amounted to a non-combat area prior to being sent into a "hot" zone
His first operational command was Wheeler Field in Hawaii
3) This pilot flew three different types of front line fighters at his first command before transferring to the "hot zone"
He flew P-26,P-36 and P-40 fighters with the 45th Fighter Squadron, 15th Fighter Group in the spring of 1941
4) This pilot flew a total of six different fighters in three different organizations over his career
He flew P-26,P-36 and P-40 fighters with the 45th Fighter Squadron, 15th Fighter Group
He flew Spitfires Mk IXs with the Polish 315 Squadron of the RAF
He flew P-47s with "Hub" Zemke's 57th Fighter Group
He flew F-86s with the 4th and 56th FIW in Korea
5) This pilot flew combat missions with three different combat organizations and with pilots from at least two other countries
He flew with the USAAC, RAF and USAF during his career
6) The six fighters flown by this pilot EACH USED A DIFFERENT ENGINE
P-26 used the P&W Wasp R-1340 radial
P-36 used the Wright R-1820 radial
P-40 used the Allison 1710 V-12
Spitfire used the Rolls Royce 1650 Merlin V-12
P-47 used the P&W Double Wasp R-2800 radial
F-86 used the GE J47 turbojet
7) This pilot was promoted to squadron CO not long after changing organizations and fighter types
He was promoted to Major and given command of a P-47 squadron in the 57th FG
8) This pilot crashed while on a combat mission, due to pilot error, in his fifth fighter type. He ended that conflict as a POW
On a strafing run, he flew so low that his prop hit the ground, damaging the engine and forcing him to crash land in a farmer's field
9) The fighters flown by this pilot each increased speed and firepower over the previously flown model(s)
10) This pilot flew in two different conflicts
WWII and Korea
11) While a POW, this pilot was housed in the same camp as his former squadron commanding officer
"Gabby" and "Hub" Zemke both ended the war at Stalag Luft I at Barth Germany
12) This pilot was an ace in both conflicts
13) This pilot was, between the two conflicts, his country's third highest scoring ace
Gabreski had a total of 34.5 confirmed kills in combat
Only Richard Bong's 40 and Thomas McGuire's 38 kills were higher. Neither survived crashes, Bong as a postwar test pilot stateside and McGuire in combat over the Philipeans January 7, 1945
14) Most of this pilots confirmed victories were in his first conflict
28 of his 34.5 kills were over Europe
15) All of this pilots confirmed victories were scored while flying the fastest two fighters he flew in combat
He scored all of his kills flying the P-47 and F-86
16) The first combat plane this pilot flew had an open cockpit and was obsolete
The P-26
17) The third plane this pilot flew on combat missions was a redesign of the second one he flew while the second was the first he flew on a wartime combat mission
His first two planes flown on live combat missions were the P-36 and the P-40, the later being based on the former with design changes to incorporate the P-40's liquid cooled Allison
I have found, since listing the aircraft flown in clues 4 and 6, that Gabreski also flew the P-51 and P-80 with the new USAF between wars and the F-100 after the Korean war ended. His flying of the P-26 "Peashooter" was prior to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor but was during a wartime period, even though the US wasn't an active participant. Anyway, that this point,
JIM HARLEY, YOU'RE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, Jim, it was Gabreski.
Time for a rundown on the clues:
1) This pilot almost washed out of flight training, He only passed due to a second instructor
His first instructor, a Mr Myers, had him so scared that Myers scheduled him for an "Elimination Flight". Instructor pilot Ray Wassall felt "Gabby" was skilled enough that he sent him back into training with a second instructor
2) This pilot initially flew in what amounted to a non-combat area prior to being sent into a "hot" zone
His first operational command was Wheeler Field in Hawaii
3) This pilot flew three different types of front line fighters at his first command before transferring to the "hot zone"
He flew P-26,P-36 and P-40 fighters with the 45th Fighter Squadron, 15th Fighter Group in the spring of 1941
4) This pilot flew a total of six different fighters in three different organizations over his career
He flew P-26,P-36 and P-40 fighters with the 45th Fighter Squadron, 15th Fighter Group
He flew Spitfires Mk IXs with the Polish 315 Squadron of the RAF
He flew P-47s with "Hub" Zemke's 57th Fighter Group
He flew F-86s with the 4th and 56th FIW in Korea
5) This pilot flew combat missions with three different combat organizations and with pilots from at least two other countries
He flew with the USAAC, RAF and USAF during his career
6) The six fighters flown by this pilot EACH USED A DIFFERENT ENGINE
P-26 used the P&W Wasp R-1340 radial
P-36 used the Wright R-1820 radial
P-40 used the Allison 1710 V-12
Spitfire used the Rolls Royce 1650 Merlin V-12
P-47 used the P&W Double Wasp R-2800 radial
F-86 used the GE J47 turbojet
7) This pilot was promoted to squadron CO not long after changing organizations and fighter types
He was promoted to Major and given command of a P-47 squadron in the 57th FG
8) This pilot crashed while on a combat mission, due to pilot error, in his fifth fighter type. He ended that conflict as a POW
On a strafing run, he flew so low that his prop hit the ground, damaging the engine and forcing him to crash land in a farmer's field
9) The fighters flown by this pilot each increased speed and firepower over the previously flown model(s)
10) This pilot flew in two different conflicts
WWII and Korea
11) While a POW, this pilot was housed in the same camp as his former squadron commanding officer
"Gabby" and "Hub" Zemke both ended the war at Stalag Luft I at Barth Germany
12) This pilot was an ace in both conflicts
13) This pilot was, between the two conflicts, his country's third highest scoring ace
Gabreski had a total of 34.5 confirmed kills in combat
Only Richard Bong's 40 and Thomas McGuire's 38 kills were higher. Neither survived crashes, Bong as a postwar test pilot stateside and McGuire in combat over the Philipeans January 7, 1945
14) Most of this pilots confirmed victories were in his first conflict
28 of his 34.5 kills were over Europe
15) All of this pilots confirmed victories were scored while flying the fastest two fighters he flew in combat
He scored all of his kills flying the P-47 and F-86
16) The first combat plane this pilot flew had an open cockpit and was obsolete
The P-26
17) The third plane this pilot flew on combat missions was a redesign of the second one he flew while the second was the first he flew on a wartime combat mission
His first two planes flown on live combat missions were the P-36 and the P-40, the later being based on the former with design changes to incorporate the P-40's liquid cooled Allison
I have found, since listing the aircraft flown in clues 4 and 6, that Gabreski also flew the P-51 and P-80 with the new USAF between wars and the F-100 after the Korean war ended. His flying of the P-26 "Peashooter" was prior to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor but was during a wartime period, even though the US wasn't an active participant. Anyway, that this point,
JIM HARLEY, YOU'RE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12-19-2016, 03:00 AM
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AND WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!!!!
Yes, Jim, it was Gabreski.
Time for a rundown on the clues:
1) This pilot almost washed out of flight training, He only passed due to a second instructor
His first instructor, a Mr Myers, had him so scared that Myers scheduled him for an "Elimination Flight". Instructor pilot Ray Wassall felt "Gabby" was skilled enough that he sent him back into training with a second instructor
2) This pilot initially flew in what amounted to a non-combat area prior to being sent into a "hot" zone
His first operational command was Wheeler Field in Hawaii
3) This pilot flew three different types of front line fighters at his first command before transferring to the "hot zone"
He flew P-26,P-36 and P-40 fighters with the 45th Fighter Squadron, 15th Fighter Group in the spring of 1941
4) This pilot flew a total of six different fighters in three different organizations over his career
He flew P-26,P-36 and P-40 fighters with the 45th Fighter Squadron, 15th Fighter Group
He flew Spitfires Mk IXs with the Polish 315 Squadron of the RAF
He flew P-47s with "Hub" Zemke's 57th Fighter Group
He flew F-86s with the 4th and 56th FIW in Korea
5) This pilot flew combat missions with three different combat organizations and with pilots from at least two other countries
He flew with the USAAC, RAF and USAF during his career
6) The six fighters flown by this pilot EACH USED A DIFFERENT ENGINE
P-26 used the P&W Wasp R-1340 radial
P-36 used the Wright R-1820 radial
P-40 used the Allison 1710 V-12
Spitfire used the Rolls Royce 1650 Merlin V-12
P-47 used the P&W Double Wasp R-2800 radial
F-86 used the GE J47 turbojet
7) This pilot was promoted to squadron CO not long after changing organizations and fighter types
He was promoted to Major and given command of a P-47 squadron in the 57th FG
8) This pilot crashed while on a combat mission, due to pilot error, in his fifth fighter type. He ended that conflict as a POW
On a strafing run, he flew so low that his prop hit the ground, damaging the engine and forcing him to crash land in a farmer's field
9) The fighters flown by this pilot each increased speed and firepower over the previously flown model(s)
10) This pilot flew in two different conflicts
WWII and Korea
11) While a POW, this pilot was housed in the same camp as his former squadron commanding officer
"Gabby" and "Hub" Zemke both ended the war at Stalag Luft I at Barth Germany
12) This pilot was an ace in both conflicts
13) This pilot was, between the two conflicts, his country's third highest scoring ace
Gabreski had a total of 34.5 confirmed kills in combat
Only Richard Bong's 40 and Thomas McGuire's 38 kills were higher. Neither survived crashes, Bong as a postwar test pilot stateside and McGuire in combat over the Philipeans January 7, 1945
14) Most of this pilots confirmed victories were in his first conflict
28 of his 34.5 kills were over Europe
15) All of this pilots confirmed victories were scored while flying the fastest two fighters he flew in combat
He scored all of his kills flying the P-47 and F-86
16) The first combat plane this pilot flew had an open cockpit and was obsolete
The P-26
17) The third plane this pilot flew on combat missions was a redesign of the second one he flew while the second was the first he flew on a wartime combat mission
His first two planes flown on live combat missions were the P-36 and the P-40, the later being based on the former with design changes to incorporate the P-40's liquid cooled Allison
I have found, since listing the aircraft flown in clues 4 and 6, that Gabreski also flew the P-51 and P-80 with the new USAF between wars and the F-100 after the Korean war ended. His flying of the P-26 "Peashooter" was prior to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor but was during a wartime period, even though the US wasn't an active participant. Anyway, that this point,
JIM HARLEY, YOU'RE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, Jim, it was Gabreski.
Time for a rundown on the clues:
1) This pilot almost washed out of flight training, He only passed due to a second instructor
His first instructor, a Mr Myers, had him so scared that Myers scheduled him for an "Elimination Flight". Instructor pilot Ray Wassall felt "Gabby" was skilled enough that he sent him back into training with a second instructor
2) This pilot initially flew in what amounted to a non-combat area prior to being sent into a "hot" zone
His first operational command was Wheeler Field in Hawaii
3) This pilot flew three different types of front line fighters at his first command before transferring to the "hot zone"
He flew P-26,P-36 and P-40 fighters with the 45th Fighter Squadron, 15th Fighter Group in the spring of 1941
4) This pilot flew a total of six different fighters in three different organizations over his career
He flew P-26,P-36 and P-40 fighters with the 45th Fighter Squadron, 15th Fighter Group
He flew Spitfires Mk IXs with the Polish 315 Squadron of the RAF
He flew P-47s with "Hub" Zemke's 57th Fighter Group
He flew F-86s with the 4th and 56th FIW in Korea
5) This pilot flew combat missions with three different combat organizations and with pilots from at least two other countries
He flew with the USAAC, RAF and USAF during his career
6) The six fighters flown by this pilot EACH USED A DIFFERENT ENGINE
P-26 used the P&W Wasp R-1340 radial
P-36 used the Wright R-1820 radial
P-40 used the Allison 1710 V-12
Spitfire used the Rolls Royce 1650 Merlin V-12
P-47 used the P&W Double Wasp R-2800 radial
F-86 used the GE J47 turbojet
7) This pilot was promoted to squadron CO not long after changing organizations and fighter types
He was promoted to Major and given command of a P-47 squadron in the 57th FG
8) This pilot crashed while on a combat mission, due to pilot error, in his fifth fighter type. He ended that conflict as a POW
On a strafing run, he flew so low that his prop hit the ground, damaging the engine and forcing him to crash land in a farmer's field
9) The fighters flown by this pilot each increased speed and firepower over the previously flown model(s)
10) This pilot flew in two different conflicts
WWII and Korea
11) While a POW, this pilot was housed in the same camp as his former squadron commanding officer
"Gabby" and "Hub" Zemke both ended the war at Stalag Luft I at Barth Germany
12) This pilot was an ace in both conflicts
13) This pilot was, between the two conflicts, his country's third highest scoring ace
Gabreski had a total of 34.5 confirmed kills in combat
Only Richard Bong's 40 and Thomas McGuire's 38 kills were higher. Neither survived crashes, Bong as a postwar test pilot stateside and McGuire in combat over the Philipeans January 7, 1945
14) Most of this pilots confirmed victories were in his first conflict
28 of his 34.5 kills were over Europe
15) All of this pilots confirmed victories were scored while flying the fastest two fighters he flew in combat
He scored all of his kills flying the P-47 and F-86
16) The first combat plane this pilot flew had an open cockpit and was obsolete
The P-26
17) The third plane this pilot flew on combat missions was a redesign of the second one he flew while the second was the first he flew on a wartime combat mission
His first two planes flown on live combat missions were the P-36 and the P-40, the later being based on the former with design changes to incorporate the P-40's liquid cooled Allison
I have found, since listing the aircraft flown in clues 4 and 6, that Gabreski also flew the P-51 and P-80 with the new USAF between wars and the F-100 after the Korean war ended. His flying of the P-26 "Peashooter" was prior to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor but was during a wartime period, even though the US wasn't an active participant. Anyway, that this point,
JIM HARLEY, YOU'RE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hydro Junkie; your guess is probably as good as mine, but I don't think the F4U qualifies as being built "throughout WWII". Not many aircraft were manufactured throughout the entire (1939 - 1945) war. The only aircraft that come immediately to mind that might qualify are the Spitfire and Bf-109. And yes; they were both produced in multiple factories. Thanks; Ernie P.
12-19-2016, 07:54 PM
I figured it was as good of answer as any. It was the only plane I could think of made by three different companies. I know the Avenger and Wildcat were both built by two companies,as were at least two different bombers. If I'm wrong, oh well
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Good Guess! but not the one I'm looking for...the Corsair was built up until 1952...although Brewster and Goodyear had long dropped out of manufacturing.
Clue 2
1. This airplane was built by 3 manufacturers throughout WWII
2. This airplane shares wheels and tires with 2 other aircraft
Jim
Clue 2
1. This airplane was built by 3 manufacturers throughout WWII
2. This airplane shares wheels and tires with 2 other aircraft
Jim
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12-19-2016, 11:05 PM
Jim,
Copy and paste your previous clues into each new clue post so we know what the previous clues were. This is really a help when a quiz covers more than one page. Just a little FYI
HJ
Copy and paste your previous clues into each new clue post so we know what the previous clues were. This is really a help when a quiz covers more than one page. Just a little FYI
HJ
12-20-2016, 10:34 AM
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[QUOTE=jimharley;12288009]Good Guess! but not the one I'm looking for...the Corsair was built up until 1952...although Brewster and Goodyear had long dropped out of manufacturing.
Clue 2
1. This airplane was built by 3 manufacturers throughout WWII
2. This airplane shares wheels and tires with 2 other aircraft
Jim; assuming you are counting "throughout WWII" to mean 1939 - 1945, I'm stumped. As I stated, I think only the Spitfire and Bf 109 qualify. However, if you mean 1941 - 1945, I guess you could mean t B-24. It was produced by Douglas, Ford andConsolidated. Thanks; Ernie P.
The Consolidated B-24Liberator is an American heavy bomber, designedby ConsolidatedAircraft of SanDiego, California. It was known within the company as theModel 32, and some initial models were laid down as export models designated asvarious LB-30s, in the Land Bomber design category.
At its inception, the B-24 was amodern design featuring a highly efficient shoulder-mounted, high aspect ratio Davis wing. The winggave the Liberator a high cruise speed, long range and the ability to carry aheavy bomb load. Early RAF Liberators were the first aircraft to cross the Atlantic Ocean as amatter of routine. However, the type was difficult to fly and had poor lowspeed performance. It also had a lower ceiling and was less robust than the BoeingB-17 Flying Fortress. While aircrews tended to prefer theB-17, General Staff favored the B-24, and procured it for a wide variety ofroles.[SUP][4][/SUP]
The B-24 was used extensively in World War II. It servedin every branch of the American armed forces, as well as several Alliedair forces and navies, and saw use in every theater of operations. Along withthe B-17, the B-24 was the mainstay of the US strategic bombing campaign in theWesternEuropean theater. Due to its range, it proved useful inbombing operations in the Pacific,including the bombing of Japan. Long rangeanti-submarine Liberators played an instrumental role in closing the Mid-Atlantic Gap in theBattleof the Atlantic. The C-87 transport derivative served as alonger range, higher capacity counterpart to the DouglasC-47 Skytrain.
The B-24 was produced in verylarge numbers. At nearly 19,000 units, with over 8,000 manufactured by FordMotor Company, it holds the distinction of being the mostproduced heavy bomber in history, the most produced multi-engine aircraft inhistory and the most-producedAmerican military aircraft.
Clue 2
1. This airplane was built by 3 manufacturers throughout WWII
2. This airplane shares wheels and tires with 2 other aircraft
Jim; assuming you are counting "throughout WWII" to mean 1939 - 1945, I'm stumped. As I stated, I think only the Spitfire and Bf 109 qualify. However, if you mean 1941 - 1945, I guess you could mean t B-24. It was produced by Douglas, Ford andConsolidated. Thanks; Ernie P.
The Consolidated B-24Liberator is an American heavy bomber, designedby ConsolidatedAircraft of SanDiego, California. It was known within the company as theModel 32, and some initial models were laid down as export models designated asvarious LB-30s, in the Land Bomber design category.
At its inception, the B-24 was amodern design featuring a highly efficient shoulder-mounted, high aspect ratio Davis wing. The winggave the Liberator a high cruise speed, long range and the ability to carry aheavy bomb load. Early RAF Liberators were the first aircraft to cross the Atlantic Ocean as amatter of routine. However, the type was difficult to fly and had poor lowspeed performance. It also had a lower ceiling and was less robust than the BoeingB-17 Flying Fortress. While aircrews tended to prefer theB-17, General Staff favored the B-24, and procured it for a wide variety ofroles.[SUP][4][/SUP]
The B-24 was used extensively in World War II. It servedin every branch of the American armed forces, as well as several Alliedair forces and navies, and saw use in every theater of operations. Along withthe B-17, the B-24 was the mainstay of the US strategic bombing campaign in theWesternEuropean theater. Due to its range, it proved useful inbombing operations in the Pacific,including the bombing of Japan. Long rangeanti-submarine Liberators played an instrumental role in closing the Mid-Atlantic Gap in theBattleof the Atlantic. The C-87 transport derivative served as alonger range, higher capacity counterpart to the DouglasC-47 Skytrain.
The B-24 was produced in verylarge numbers. At nearly 19,000 units, with over 8,000 manufactured by FordMotor Company, it holds the distinction of being the mostproduced heavy bomber in history, the most produced multi-engine aircraft inhistory and the most-producedAmerican military aircraft.
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@Ernie, good guess but the B-24 was also assembled by North American as well. The next one will give it away 
Clue 3
1. This airplane was built by 3 manufacturers throughout WWII
2. This airplane shares wheels and tires with 2 other aircraft
3. A popular 60's TV show was created by the pilot of one of these
Clue 3
1. This airplane was built by 3 manufacturers throughout WWII
2. This airplane shares wheels and tires with 2 other aircraft
3. A popular 60's TV show was created by the pilot of one of these
