Protecting yourself
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Nice box set up there, I have seen those before as well, Some guys at our club uses the same type set up, I've always been impressed with it, it is definitely a Safer way to start these things, but like was said above, anything is dangerous, just have the respect. I like standing off the side behind the prop, I'm never in front of it, EVER,,, those props fly right off the engines at the most inconvienent times, usually your face takes the shot as it tends to climb when it leaves.
I only speak from experience. a 1 Time experience for me personally, countless for others.
I only speak from experience. a 1 Time experience for me personally, countless for others.
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I'm really careful staring my engines.
I always double check that I have idle and touch the throttle stick to make sure.
I place the transmitter beside the plane (i.e not keeping it hanging from my neck) and always use 3M security glasses.
After I start the engine with starter I move around the plane, pick up my transmitter and remove the glow charger from behind the plane.
I also do all run ups and tweaks from there.
What really gets me is if someone close tweaks their engines at full tilt with the prop arc in my direct line. I really hate that and it's scary and bad respect.
Some people should really have an accident happen to them to realize the danger of a thrown blade or a runaway plane.
I always double check that I have idle and touch the throttle stick to make sure.
I place the transmitter beside the plane (i.e not keeping it hanging from my neck) and always use 3M security glasses.
After I start the engine with starter I move around the plane, pick up my transmitter and remove the glow charger from behind the plane.
I also do all run ups and tweaks from there.
What really gets me is if someone close tweaks their engines at full tilt with the prop arc in my direct line. I really hate that and it's scary and bad respect.
Some people should really have an accident happen to them to realize the danger of a thrown blade or a runaway plane.
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We have a sort of unwritten rule in our club that starting and run-up are done at the aircraft staging area not in an area that is only a few feet from the next guy in the lot. Our benches are set to about 25 feet apart and the benches all have some sort of restraint system. Normally, everyone turns the benches so that the nose is into the wind even on the bench. That way, if a gust does come along, it won't try to twist the aircraft around on the bench.
As far as props coming off, well, I was trained to make sure someone is not in front of the aircraft where a broken blade may fly off to.. generally ask people to get behind the wings and the only person in front is me.
We do, occasionally, have people that want to start their aircraft on the ground, but they mostly away from the center of activity and use restraints to hold their planes back while doing engine tuning.
I've had a prop come off due to a backfire but it never went to far... I always keep my starting throttle setting to only two or three clicks from closed. Training, I guess.
DS.
As far as props coming off, well, I was trained to make sure someone is not in front of the aircraft where a broken blade may fly off to.. generally ask people to get behind the wings and the only person in front is me.
We do, occasionally, have people that want to start their aircraft on the ground, but they mostly away from the center of activity and use restraints to hold their planes back while doing engine tuning.
I've had a prop come off due to a backfire but it never went to far... I always keep my starting throttle setting to only two or three clicks from closed. Training, I guess.
DS.
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Another thing I came to think of are these neckstraps.
I never 'unplug' my radio from the strap, but take the whole thing off... I imagine an accident could happen if you just take off the transmitter and leave the strap.
(I'm thinking getting a prop caught in the strap and having it work it's way to your face at the end of the strap)
I never 'unplug' my radio from the strap, but take the whole thing off... I imagine an accident could happen if you just take off the transmitter and leave the strap.
(I'm thinking getting a prop caught in the strap and having it work it's way to your face at the end of the strap)
#55
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Protecting myself when starting an engine.
Because I prefer to flip start my engines whenever possible,
I do wear a leather glove, I do my homework at home, and just use
a bunch of common sense just before and during the period of time
when the motor is running. No secrets involved with this technique.
Regards
Roby
Because I prefer to flip start my engines whenever possible,
I do wear a leather glove, I do my homework at home, and just use
a bunch of common sense just before and during the period of time
when the motor is running. No secrets involved with this technique.
Regards
Roby
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ORIGINAL: Roby
Protecting myself when starting an engine.
Because I prefer to flip start my engines whenever possible,
I do wear a leather glove, I do my homework at home, and just use
a bunch of common sense just before and during the period of time
when the motor is running. No secrets involved with this technique.
Regards
Roby
Protecting myself when starting an engine.
Because I prefer to flip start my engines whenever possible,
I do wear a leather glove, I do my homework at home, and just use
a bunch of common sense just before and during the period of time
when the motor is running. No secrets involved with this technique.
Regards
Roby
#57
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Nope, common sense can 't be bought. I thought
everyone already knew that.
Perhaps it only comes attached with experience and
some understanding of what's going around you at
all times.
Regards
Roby
everyone already knew that.
Perhaps it only comes attached with experience and
some understanding of what's going around you at
all times.
Regards
Roby
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One thing I think important for both a success and safety is to establish a ritual and do not deviate from it without careful thought and consideration. If you figure out what to do and do it the same way every time you will fly well and safely. If anything happens to upset your ritual, back off and think before acting.
To give an example. I had been flying a CL stunt airplane off a stooge. It had an inverted engine and after I started it, I would walk around behind the wing and reach under and remove the glow plug clip. No problem. Friend came out and held the airplane for me. He was exactly where I was used to going to remove the glowplug clip. So I reached for it though the prop. Fortunately it didn't cut me up too bad. If I had considered the matter, I could have walked around to the other side of the airplane and removed the clip from behind with my left hand. No problem.
To give an example. I had been flying a CL stunt airplane off a stooge. It had an inverted engine and after I started it, I would walk around behind the wing and reach under and remove the glow plug clip. No problem. Friend came out and held the airplane for me. He was exactly where I was used to going to remove the glowplug clip. So I reached for it though the prop. Fortunately it didn't cut me up too bad. If I had considered the matter, I could have walked around to the other side of the airplane and removed the clip from behind with my left hand. No problem.
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Can't really add any tips here as everybody has covered everything I can think of. got a couple of stories though. First one was a few years ago this guy at our club was running up his engine. Saito150, and had shown a tendency to throw props(improper starting and adj. habits). this guy had been warned before and had had a couple close calls, but here he was, sitting in front of that engine and running it up to full throttle. Suddenly we heard a loud "pop" and looked over to find the guy lying on the ground. the engine had thrown (again) and shattered the entire prop/spinner assembly. Part of the prop hit him in the inner thigh about six inches below his "bit and pieces" and left a deep cut that needed nine stiches. Worse still was the biggest part of the spinner that was left hit him in the chest hard enough to bruise his sternum and cause heart palpitations. He was in his mid thirties, previously healthy and was out of work for two weeks after that.(We worked for the same company) Had he had a heart condition, he may very well have died.
My other story is about me. Saito 1.50 again.(not the same one!) Was breaking it in in my yard, had reached the "full throttle lean it a bit" stage. Had been running for about a minute since my last adjustment. it was at WOT and sounding good. walked around front of it, watching and listening to it run, POP! backfire, didn't toss prop but did shatter spinner. could feel the displaced air on my ear as a large chunk of it whizzed past.
The only thing i can say is there is NEVER A REASON TO BE IN FRONT OF A PROP/ENGINE THAT IS RUNNING ABOVE IDLE!!!!!!!
Can't count he number of time I've seen props spun but not thrown. someone got lucky every time.
My other story is about me. Saito 1.50 again.(not the same one!) Was breaking it in in my yard, had reached the "full throttle lean it a bit" stage. Had been running for about a minute since my last adjustment. it was at WOT and sounding good. walked around front of it, watching and listening to it run, POP! backfire, didn't toss prop but did shatter spinner. could feel the displaced air on my ear as a large chunk of it whizzed past.
The only thing i can say is there is NEVER A REASON TO BE IN FRONT OF A PROP/ENGINE THAT IS RUNNING ABOVE IDLE!!!!!!!
Can't count he number of time I've seen props spun but not thrown. someone got lucky every time.
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This is an interesting thread to me because I do think it is something we can become too complacent with. I just recently wacked my right thumb with the prop. (15x4) What had happened was that I had always set up my stuff on the right side of the table but recently got a new field box. With the new field box everything is opposite of the old one and it just wasn't working out to set it up on the same end of the table that I usually do. (our field is set up with picnic style tables and there is two flyers per table, one on each end) Anyway I started setting up on the opposite end of the table and it threw off my routine. What happened was that I started my engine with the elec. starter and reached across the prop to set it down and the prop wacked my knuckle of my right thumb. It hurt like crazy but didn't bleed much. It could have been much worse.
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Sometimes the only way one will learn is for them to be hit by a flying prop, I've been lucky enough to see it come off and fly into the side of a vehicle, If you saw the mark it left on the panel door of a full size van, you wouldn't never even have to think about being in front of the motor, EVER,,,,,, at any speed.... and that was just a 10 x 6, but words can not express to some just how powerful a flying prop can be until they experience it first hand, another 2 cents,, for what its worth.
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From: Pomeroy,
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I'm a newbe but I've yet to see a suggestion to make sure there is NO lose clothing. IE un buttoned shirt, transmitter strap(someone mentioned that). Welding gloves, well there borderline. I think gloves are a good thing but welding gloves have a large cuff that make movement cumbersome. I've worked around sheet metal and I use work gloves that FIT made of cow hide (they're as heavy as welding gloves without the cuff). Welding typically are one size fits all and are loose fitting.
I like the benches someone posted but one thing I would change. I'd turn them at an angle end behind one another, like this:
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instead of this
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then draw lines for a safety zone on the ground. If paved painted or grass use round up to draw them like this
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in this configuration everyone is out of harms way. Put the posts in concrete so no one can turn them and put large Velcro straps to secure them if the wind picks up.
Now for flipping. I know the principal behind it to do it safely, but I wouldn't do it without a gloved hand.
Now I don't believe that even one of you are afraid of these motors these props are attached to. That's like saying a gun collector is afraid of ammunition or bullets. Respect however is a hole different ballgame.. Fear can block out commonsense and can cause irrational thought. I sure hope all of you are thinking rationally when you are on the flight line. If you treat these things with respect and are aware of these things being dangerous. that in it's self is a hole lot safer, in my opinion. Just like a gun is always loaded and a knife is always sharp, a prop can cut a finger off or worse.
I like every thing I've seen here in this thread. I'm new to this hobby and I have learned some things in this thread.
Thanks guys and keep it up.
Shawn
I like the benches someone posted but one thing I would change. I'd turn them at an angle end behind one another, like this:
/
.. /
..... /
instead of this
I I I
then draw lines for a safety zone on the ground. If paved painted or grass use round up to draw them like this
/__
...../__
........ /
in this configuration everyone is out of harms way. Put the posts in concrete so no one can turn them and put large Velcro straps to secure them if the wind picks up.
Now for flipping. I know the principal behind it to do it safely, but I wouldn't do it without a gloved hand.
Now I don't believe that even one of you are afraid of these motors these props are attached to. That's like saying a gun collector is afraid of ammunition or bullets. Respect however is a hole different ballgame.. Fear can block out commonsense and can cause irrational thought. I sure hope all of you are thinking rationally when you are on the flight line. If you treat these things with respect and are aware of these things being dangerous. that in it's self is a hole lot safer, in my opinion. Just like a gun is always loaded and a knife is always sharp, a prop can cut a finger off or worse.
I like every thing I've seen here in this thread. I'm new to this hobby and I have learned some things in this thread.
Thanks guys and keep it up.
Shawn
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From: Pomeroy,
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I need to rephrase something. The prop isn't the bad guy here. I said "Just like a gun is always loaded and a knife is always sharp, a prop can cut a finger off or worse." Just like people blame guns for killing, It's not the gun or the prop, it's the idiot behind them. I should have said "Just like a gun is always loaded and a knife is always sharp,and if your stupid around a prop you WILL get hurt."
Shawn
Shawn
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Sometimes I am amazed...
With all of the posts and talk about safety, it never ceases to amaze me how people put themselves in a risky position.
Yesterday I went out to my local field; first time I had been in several months. There was a person that I did not know hand starting a small twin; no chicken stick. And then he was tuning the engines from the front while reaching over the props. This is bad enough when there is one engine, but two, that takes the cake. Amazing.
I hope he does not become a statistic on the forums.
Doug
With all of the posts and talk about safety, it never ceases to amaze me how people put themselves in a risky position.
Yesterday I went out to my local field; first time I had been in several months. There was a person that I did not know hand starting a small twin; no chicken stick. And then he was tuning the engines from the front while reaching over the props. This is bad enough when there is one engine, but two, that takes the cake. Amazing.
I hope he does not become a statistic on the forums.
Doug
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Generally start with the plane restrained and using an electric start. Always wear safety sunglasses, at least then at a minimum the eyes are well protected. Removing the glow, always walk around back of the plane and remove it. If using engines inverted use a remote glow. Cheers more beers, less injuries.



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