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    Which (chinese) facctories make various brands of ESC ..?

    HobbyKing supplies a useful range of speed controllers, the TURNIGY DLUX ESC range (photos of some models shown below):
    http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...SortOrder=desc

    They are available in standard form (2S to 4S Li-Po) in 20A and 30A ratings.
    They are available in higher Li-Po spec (2S to 6S Li-Po) in 40A, 55A, 70A, and 100A ratings.
    All these 6 DLUX ESC models have S-BEC, and have data logging features (when used with the program box -there seems no facility to download the data to a PC).

    In addition: These DLUX ESC'sare available in HV (high voltage) form ( -6S to 12S Li-Po) in 80A, 120A, and 160A ratings -and these 3 HV models have no BEC (opto) and no data logging feature.

    They can all be programmed (and stored data accessed) using a program box which looks quite distinctive (see photo below)
    - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...g_Feature.html

    I wonder: Do we know which (chinese) company actually makes this range of DLUX ESC's ...?

    My own guess, at present, is that itmay be the well-known ZTW chinese ESC factory ... ? - http://en.ztwoem.com


    -This is (partly) because the distinctive-looking (unique) program box is identical to the one supplied byGens Ace (i.e. AcePow), for all Gens Ace aircraft and car ESC's.
    It is also very similar to the program box supplied by OK Hobbyfor their "Infinite" range of aircraft and car ESC's
    And from previous information which is available from many people: see: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1333719
    -It is certain that the ZTW factory makes the Gens Ace and OK Hobby "Infinite" range of ESC's.

    Any ideas from the knowledgeable fraternity out there ...?

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    RE: Which (chinese) facctories make various brands of ESC ..?



    MAIN KNOWN MANUFACTURERS OF ESC's
    HobbyWing: http://www.hobbywing.com/index.asp
    ZTW: http://en.ztwoem.com/index.html
    Hifei: http://www.hifei.com/en/index.asp
    Sunrise Model: www.sunrisemodel.com
    Suppo: http://www.suppomodel.com/(Wuzhou Tihong Co. Ltd. -Suppo Model)
    Shenzhen XingQiong Technology ("XQ"-Control): http://www.xqcontrol.com/en_index.asp
    SkyRC Technology Co. Ltd: http://www.skyrc.cn
    SJ-PROPO(S Korea):http://sjproporc.com -SJ factory:Aisijie Technology, Shenzhen,China(well-known RC OEM manufacturer)
    Dynam-RC:http://www.dynam-rc.com(Shenzhen Dynam Industry)
    EASYCO Technology:http://myeasyco.com/
    INGS Bee's Electronics: http://www.ings-cn.com/ESC/esc.htm
    Motrolfly:http://www.motrolfly.com

    Smaller European manufacturers of ESC's:
    MGM Compro: http://mgm-compro.com/index.php?tid=...ics-for-models
    YGE: http://www.yge.de/index.php
    Schulze: http://www.schulze-elektronik-gmbh.de/index_uk.htm
    Kontronik: http://www.kontronik.com/index.php?o...emid=2&lang=en



    Other Chinese manufacturers:
    Aoyuxiang Electronic Technology: http://aoxan.en.alibaba.com/ and http://aoxan.en.alibaba.com/product/...d_control.html



    Castle Creations: http://www.castlecreations.com/-According to reports, these ESC's appear to be made mostly in China anyway(-and perhaps at ZTW factory)



    SunRay Technology: http://sunraytechnology.com(-was suggestedby Extreme Flight, to manufacture "Airboss" ESC's-but this probably not correct -since these "Airboss" ESC'sare known to be manufactured in the ZTW factory). (SunRay Technology makes Hacker outrunner, E-F Torque, LiPolice, Pelikan Foxy, OK Hobby Infinite, Gens Aceand Turnigy SK3 motors(besides others) -and does not appear to make ESC's)


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    RE: Which (chinese) facctories make various brands of ESC ..?



    ESC brands that are all known to be manufactured by ZTW:
    ZTW original labelled ESC's
    Hacker X-Pro SB series -identical to Mystery, Airboss, PowerHD - http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...96&postcount=1
    Jeti SPIN range of ESC's - http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...78&postcount=3
    Hyperion Titan V3 range of ESC's - http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...25&postcount=3
    Black Mantis - http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...96&postcount=1
    JPEnErg - http://www.aeroshack.co.uk/shop/gbu0...jpprocard.html -use ZTW card
    Mystery, identical to Airboss, use ZTW card - http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...25&postcount=3
    PowerHD -use ZTW program card - http://www.chd.hk/enpruduct.aspx?id=34
    Airboss Elite -manufactured by ZTW - http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...25&postcount=3
    Quantum Hobby - http://www.quantumhobby.com/ZTW-Brus...rols-s/370.htm
    Common Sense standard ESC's - http://www.commonsenserc.com/product...roducts_id=324 -use ZTW program card
    Turnigy TRUST ESC's-use ZTW card,http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...ming_Card.html
    OK Hobby Infinite ESC's, use ZTW program card - http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...7&postcount=13
    SonicElectric -identical to Airboss, made by ZTW - http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...25&postcount=3
    HobbyKing "Blue series" ESC's-use ZTWcard - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...ontroller.html
    Gens Ace Mars,use ZTW program card - http://www.gensace.com/epages/genspo...cts/GM-PC001-A
    Hobby Lobby E-RC, - http://www.hobby-lobby.com/erc_speed...ls_470_ctg.htm -use ZTW card
    "Hobby King 20A ESC 3A UBEC" -available in 30A, 40A, 50A, 60A, 70A and 80A current ratings-made by ZTW, use the ZTW circular program card- http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...ming_Card.html
    REVOX programmable ESCs - http://skyhobbies.proboards.com/inde...lay&thread=494 -use ZTW program card
    Cyclone Power -use ZTW card - http://edfhobbies.com/index.php?rout...product_id=168
    Maytech Harrier-Suprem (MT) V1 Series ESCs - http://www.maytech.cn -use ZTW program card,made by ZTW
    Jamara Xetronik range of ESC's - http://www.neuershop.jamara.com/Prog...ronik-Regler_1 -use ZTW program card


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    RE: Which (chinese) facctories make various brands of ESC ..?



    ESC brands that are all known to be manufactured by HobbyWing:
    HobbyWing original labelled ESC's - http://www.hobbywing.com/product.asp?bigclassid=14
    Turnigy K-Force = HobbyWing Platinum - http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1500697
    Turnigy Plush = HobbyWing Pentium - http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1166446
    Turnigy Sentry = HobbyWing Guard - http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1152424
    Volcano (from Nitroplanes and Hobbypartz) = HobbyWing Pentium - http://rtf-heli.com/ESC.html
    Momentum (from Nitroplanes and Hobbypartz) = HobbyWing Platinum - http://www.rcdiscuss.com/showthread....-Brushless-ESC
    Thunderpower ESC's -use HobbyWing card - http://www.pyramidmodels.com/shop/pr...hless_esc_besc and http://www.rctoys.com/pr/2007/03/26/...v110-released/
    E-Flight "PRO" series of ESC's - http://www.e-fliterc.com/PowerSystems/SpeedControllers/
    OEMRC - http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1255800
    Dualsky - http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...1166446&page=2
    E-Max - some Emax ESC's use the Hobbywing program cardc and program box - http://www.giantshark.co.uk/forum/vi...c.php?f=9&t=80
    Flight-Tech (and old Flight-Power) - http://www.flightpowerusa.com/fpwm0206.html
    Lightning ESC - http://www.extremerc.com.au/estore/i...dex&cPath=6_49
    DonsRC - http://donsrc.com/cart/index.php?_a=...&product_id=11
    Exceed Volcano = HobbyWing Pentium - http://rtf-heli.com/ESC.html
    Exceed Proton = HobbyWing FlyFun - http://rtf-heli.com/ESC.html
    Exceed Momentum = HobbyWing Platinum - http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1354609
    Purple Power "4-max" -some are made by HobbyWing -ones labelled as "MESC" -which are E-max ESC's anyway
    Robotbirds "Pro" series of ESC's - http://robotbirds.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=3_321 = HobbyWing Pentium
    BRC Hobbies "Pro" - http://www.b*********.com/catalog/in...e8e64c3ee9ab0a = HobbyWing Pentium
    World Models -use HobbyWing card - http://www.theworldmodels.com/para/p...id=77&subcat=0
    Gaui - 10, 22, 66A are made by HobbyWing - http://www.gaui.com.tw/html/shopping...rea=59&cat=292
    Dynam Detrum - http://www.dynam-rc.cn/Products_24_1.html - use HobbyWing program card
    TopModel X-Power range of ESC's -they all use the HobbyWing program card - http://www.topmodel.fr/en/product_de...id=13454&qty=1
    CommonSense Skyartec ESCs - http://www.commonsenserc.com/product...oducts_id=2140 -use HobbyWing card
    LeaderHobby SY EZ ESC's - http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1682630 - use Hobbywing program card - http://www.leaderhobby.com/product.asp?ID=9394001226927
    LeaderHobby Aeolian Evolution - http://www.leaderhobby.com/list.asp?...&categories=64 -use HobbyWing program card - http://www.leaderhobby.com/product.asp?ID=9394001225811


    (WORTH NOTING: HobbyWing themselves appear to havenow stoppedmaking the Pentium,Guard and Sentilon series of ESC's;
    http://www.hobbywing.com/product.asp?bigclassid=14
    -They now only manufacture, and have on their website, the newer series of Platinum and FlyFun ESC's.
    However, these older HobbyWing ESC models still continue to be available, via HobbyKing (i.e. Plush and Sentilon) and also via other retailers)


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    RE: Which (chinese) facctories make various brands of ESC ..?



    ESC brands that are known to be manufactured by HiFei:
    HiFei G series ESC - http://www.hifei.com/product.asp?mid=1
    HiFei KingKong series of ESC's - http://www.hifei.com/product.asp?mid=1
    Turnigy "Super Brain" range of ESC's =HiFei KingKong ESC's, use same USB linker, HiFei acknowledge this
    Turnigy Monster-2000 ESC = HiFei G series 200A-G-12S
    HiFei Swordfish series of boat ESC's
    In addition, some online retailers do actually sell ESC's with their original label "HiFei"


    ESC brands that are known to be manufactured by Sunrise Model:
    Sunrise Model "LBEC" and "SBEC" series of ESC
    Sunrise Model "Cool" ESC's
    Sunrise Model "ICE" ESC's
    Hobbyking YEP ESC's (= Sunrise Model "ICE") -use same program card as ICE - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...dProduct=20698 (these ESC's used to be called:"Dlux Helidrive" ESC's)
    Innov8tive Cobra range of ESC's - http://www.innov8tivedesigns.com/index.php?cPath=22_126
    Jeti ADVANCE PRO range of ESC's - http://www.jetimodel.com/index.php?p...=0&category=19 (Jeti program card is identical to Sunrise card - http://www.jetimodel.com/index.php?p...=0&category=46 -proving they are made by Sunrise Model)
    Jeti ADVANCE PLUS range of ESC's -also use the Sunrise Model program card, therefore made by Sunrise Model
    Maytech Harrier-eXTrem (MTA) Series ESCs - http://www.maytech.cn -use Sunrise program card, and are therefore made by Sunrise Model
    Desire Hobby "Harrier eXTrem-Series" - http://desirehobbyrc.com/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=2
    123-rc.com UNLIMITED Ax series ESC - http://www.123-rc.com/shop/index.php...x&cPath=103_89
    Purple Power "4-max" -some of them are Sunrise Model ESC's -ones labelled as "TESC"
    HiModel "FlyPro" series - http://www.himodel.com/sort.php?sub2=FO&page=3 = Sunrise Model "LBEC / SBEC"
    HiModel "Cool" - http://www.himodel.com/sort.php?sub2=FO&brand=6&page=4 = Sunrise Model "Cool"
    HiModel "ICE" series - http://www.himodel.com/sort.php?sub2=FO&brand=6 = Sunrise Model "ICE"
    Lightning Pro ESC - http://www.vulcanhobbies.co.uk/light...-esc-403-c.asp
    SAKER Advance ESC from Keda Model - http://kedamodel.com/product/escs.html -use the Sunrise program card
    Electrifly Silver Series Brushless ESC's, 60A and 80A -Electrify program card looks like Sunrise Model card - http://www.electrifly.com/miscproducts/gpmm1895.html Also back side of Electrifly 80A ESC looks identical to back side of Jeti Advance 90 ESC's.-Since Jeti Advance ESC's are made by Sunrise Model, and since Electrifly 80A ESC looks identical to Jeti Advance 90A, seems likely that the Electrifly 60A and 80A ESC's are manufactured by the Sunrise Model
    In addition, some online retailers sell these ESC's with their original label "Sunrise Model"


    ESC brands that are known to be manufactured by XingQiong Technology ("XQ"):
    XingQiong "XStar" range of ESC's - http://www.xqcontrol.com/en_Product2.asp -program card http://www.xqcontrol.com/en_showProDetail.asp?ProID=37
    Overlander XQ range of ESC's - http://www.overlander.co.uk/speed-co...ubec/escs.html - use XQ program card
    Arrowind Hobby - http://www.arrowindhobby.com/hobby/en/esc-aircraft.asp - use XQ program card
    Ripmax Arrowind range of ESC's - http://www2.ripmax.net/Category_List...ry=060-050-020
    Aeolian Motor XP ESC's - http://www.aeolianmotor.com/esc.html -use XingQiong XQ program card
    OverSkyRC - http://www.overskyrc.com/index.php?m...ex&cPath=12_20 -use XingQiong XQ program card
    ModelManiacs Tornado range of ESC's - http://www.modelmaniacsonline.co.uk/...e=Tornado+ESCs
    Leader Hobby Aeolian XP ESC -use XingQiong XP program card - http://www.leaderhobby.com/product.asp?ID=9394001220269 e.g. Aeolian XP-100A ESC http://www.leaderhobby.com/product.asp?ID=9394001226603 -is clearly a XingQiong XQ 100A ESC
    CN SkyHobby Aeolian XP-100A HV ESC - http://uk.alibaba.com/product/526594...V-ESC-for.html -use XingQiong XQ program card
    TrueRC XP series of ESC - http://home.comcast.net/~truerc/esc/escNmotor.htm
    ESC's labelled as "XStar" or "XP-" i.e. "XP-30A" or "XP-60A-SW" are usually made by XingQiong Technology


    ESC brands that are known to be manufactured by SkyRC Technology Co:
    SkyRC SWIFT
    SkyRC HORNET
    "H-KING" 10A, 20A, 35A, 50A Brushless Speed Controller (fixed wing)-fromHobbyKing (=SkyRC Swift ESC's, use same program card)
    BuryRCsupplies Swift and Hornet ESC's - http://www.buryrcsupplies.com/index....=index&cPath=8
    SDShobbyusa - http://sdshobbyusa.net/index.php?mai...x&cPath=18_207
    Feixiang RC Model - http://www.lxrcmodel.com/products.asp?classid=00620015
    Also: Many of these on eBay


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    RE: Which (chinese) facctories make various brands of ESC ..?

    DrMotor,

    I have read a number of your posts in the past. You seem to be very interested in where things are made. That is fine. But you do not cite asource for your information. How do you know these devices are made in these factories? Are there statements by the brands that you mention that their goods are made in these factories?

    In fact, I really don't care which factory makes them. I only care about the features, function, reliability and overall quality of the products I receive.

    It is quite possible to make several brands or products in the same factory, each to a different design and quality level. Even if 10 different ESCcome out of the same factory, that does not mean they are the same, or even similar.
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    RE: Which (chinese) facctories make various brands of ESC ..?

    Hello Ed, useful question.
    1. Yes,it is interesting to find where things are made.Much of the time,we all tend to assume that the various ESC brands might each bemade in different factories. With a bit of simple research we can see that there are only 4 or 5 major manufacturers of ESC's in the world.And thatfor each of the brand lists given above, they are actually all made in the same factory -and leads to the almost certain conclusion that they are all the same devices. Much of the time, theyaresimply re-badged by retailers with a different colour sticker and new name. However, some retailers do not bother to re-badge them at all, and simply sell themwith the original "ZTW" or "HobbyWing" etc, factory nameon the label. In my opinion, this is a verymuch preferable situation.At least we all know then,exactly what ESCwe are getting ...

    2.The fact that most of the ESC'sweall use,are made in just 4 or5(chinese) factories, has actually been common knowledge for some time.
    See: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1333719
    http://www.***********s.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=64216 -the forum name that was auto-deleted is: "Flying "Gigantic" things" -FG
    http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...1636627&page=3

    -However, at least the brand lists given above,providesome sort of comprehensive reference guide,for most of the ESC's on the market at the moment.

    3. You ask: How can we be certain that the list of brands given above, are each made in the same factory ...?
    It is not difficult. In most cases, it is simply because the branded program card or program box,used forprogramming different ESC parameters, is identical between the various brands made in the same original factory.This is by far the biggest give-awaythat these different brands are identical, thatthey must come from the same factory,and that they areinter-changeable with each other.
    The program cards used for ZTW vs. HobbyWing vs Sunrise Model ESC's (for instance) are different and distinctive, and when one branded ESC uses a particular generic program card, then we can be 100% certain about the original factory in which this ESC must have been made.
    4. In a few cases,we can rely on the appearance of the ESC and on its specifications (weight, size, electrical specs, number / sizecapacitors etc ). Especially for 100AESC's and larger, the appearance of a ZTW-derivedESC is quite different from e.g.a XingQiong (XQ)-derived ESC, and then we can easily identify the original factory in which it must have been made.

    5. It has been discussed before, about the possibility that a single original factory might make severaloutwardlyvery similarproducts (i.e. ESC's), withdifferentquality levels and specs.The fact is, most people find that this is absolutely not believable,and notpossible.It is just not the way chinese factories work.Both myself and many other people have dealt over severalyears with these ESCfactories. If we wish to order 1,000 or 10,000 ESC's from HobbyWing, in different current ratings, then HobbyWing have their standard ESC models, and we have to simply order the standard products. There is no room for negotiation on the specs. They have their rolling production lines,manufacturing their standard ESCproducts, and that is what we all get. There is certainly no difference in programming between the different brand ESC's which are made in the same original factory.
    In addition, we all know from experiencethat whether we have a Hacker SB-Pro series, Hyperion Titan, Airboss, orOK Hobby Infinite, then the 40A ESC model of each is identical between these different brands, and they have all the same features and functions (and also identical appearance beneath the label). There is no difference at all between them.

    6. Finally, Ed, please note this is not a pointless or academic argument.
    The simpletruth is,that the price we pay for each ESC, even when they are made in the same factory and are identical, varies massively depending on the particular name placed on the re-branding label. Let us take some examples,for a 70A ESC:
    a. Hacker X70 SB Pro Brushless ESC -costs $109.99 - http://www.aero-model.com/Hacker-Bru...B-Pro-ESC.aspx
    b. ZTW 70A Brushless ESC w/ 4A SBEC -costs $44.99 - http://www.altitudehobbies.com/ztw-7...-esc-w-4a-sbec
    c. HobbyKing 70A ESC 4A UBEC -costs $29.99 - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...C_4A_UBEC.html
    d.TURNIGY TRUST 70A SBEC Brushless ESC -costs $28.73 - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...ontroller.html

    e. All these4 ESC's are manufactured by the ZTW factory, they are all rated at 70A (continuous), they all take 2S-6S Li-Po, they all have S-BEC (3A to 4A), they are all similar sizes and weights (size and weight will depend on length of heatshrink, length / diameterof wires etc).
    They all come from the same production line in the ZTW factory, and all reports show (see below) that they have almost identical circuit boards, and use identical components.

    And yet we can pay between $28.73 and $109.99 (almost a 4-fold difference)
    -for what appears (basically) to be the sameESC device ...
    I wonder: Is the $109.99ESC, really 4 times better than the cheaper one ...?

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    RE: Which (chinese) facctories make various brands of ESC ..?



    http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1363323
    Title: Sorting out the different ESC brands
    cryhavoc38: " ... The larger amp Jeti Spin's are manufactured by ZTW to Jeti specs ...".
    "... I read a post(s) that a jeti/hacker fan completely wouldn't believe that these esc's were manufactured in China, but a side by side comparison of the Jeti/hacker Spin 99 Opto and the ZTW 100 Opto were identical with regards to physical components, board design and layout ..."



    cryhavoc38: " ... ZTWOEM speed controllers, otherwise known as ZTW are found under MANY different brands but to name a couple:
    Hacker X "pro"
    Hacker/jeti Master spin (the larger ones like the 99 Opto). Not sure on ALL of them
    SonicElectric
    Older Hyperion esc's
    Mystery Blue Board esc
    The larger square shaped Electrifly esc's
    The larger amp Jeti Spin's are manufactured by ZTW to Jeti specs. **
    REVOXX ..."



    http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1573179
    alfabeast: " ... Had the same issue with my ZTW 80 opto esc - which looks exactly like the Hacker's. I read that they make them for Hacker ..."


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    RE: Which (chinese) facctories make various brands of ESC ..?

    I will not dispute your postings.  I have no info to prove you wrong.  However, coming from the computer industry, know that common components are used in a lot of computer systems.  But the top line companies spend a LOT of time and money testing and certifying components.   A disk drive, for example, can come from the same factory for many makers, but the top companies will have tested the firmware on the drive and in many cases rejected it, insisting on changes or fixes.

    Drives will be qualified with controllers and OS revs.

    The smaller companies don't have the resources to do this, so they sell cheap and hope for the best.  No disrespect intended but it costs a LOT to provide the level of support the top companies provide including testing, stockign parts, documentation and training of their staffs.   That cost is reflected in what they charge.

    So, yes, two disk drives can come out of the same factory, but the customer experience can be quite different.

    So, I would imagine, it would be with these components too.
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    RE: Which (chinese) facctories make various brands of ESC ..?

    DrMotor,
    On occasion I also am intrigued as to which factory supplies the product offered by the retailer.................in a way it is useful because as you pointed out the Hacker 70A ESC is over 100 bucks($109.99) and the Turnigy 70A ESC is $28.73...............and the question is..................(HOLD ON TO YOUR HAT FOLKS)....................ARE WE REALLY GETTING ALMOST 4 TIMES THE VALUE when we pay $109.99 instead of $28.73.................I work in the car rental industry and our rental vehicle prices fluctuate depending upon market demand..............sometimes the difference between a high demand season compared to a slow season for the same car make and model is over a hundred dollars a day. The car rental industry, the airlines, car dealer, RC Hobby retailer all will try to charge as high as the market can bear............this includes re-branding the same item to raise the perception of higher value when deep under the skin it is all the same product but the business owner is able to charge higher because of PERCEPTION OF VALUE...nothing more(same product, same model, same function). Now in the case of Apple Inc. they have a very high standard of quality and are very demanding from the supplier to maintain that high level of quality and therefore Apple is able to command premium prices. In my personal opinion although Apple has a very high quality level IT IS STILL OVERPRICED. Perception of value allows Apple to price it's products very high. It is probably not too far away in quality as the next competitive computer company but the perception is that Apple has a higher quality therefore they will charge more. 'Nuff said.

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    FOUND OTHER RELEVANT COMMENTS:
    http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1363323
    Title: Sorting out the different ESC brands

    cryhavoc38: "The Hobbywing Pentium is a great speed controller line and is also found under the following names that are rebranded (just naming a few of them):
    Turnigy Plush
    Turnigy Sentilon (larger esc's in the 100amp and up range)
    Exceed Volcano (now known as the Proton)
    FlightPower Flight Tech
    Dualsky
    Thunderpower Higrade.
    RobotBird (UK company/reseller)
    EMAX
    OEMRC
    A couple of the smaller SKY-Holic esc's are hobbywing Pentiums -http://www.sky-holic.com"



    THIS IS AN INTERESTING, REVEALINGCOMMENT:
    cryhavoc38: " If you ever wanted to not overpay for the Eflite 20 and 40amp "v2" brushless esc's (the ones with the bullets soldered right to the board, look at the Sky Holic esc's. They are the same and less money "

    -Since Sky-Holic ESC's arere-branded HobbyWing, and the E-Flite ESC's are identical, then this comment confirms that E-Flite ESC'sare madeby HobbyWing, and are re-branded asE-Flite

    BobRCnut:" I just picked up one of the new Gaui 22A ESCs for a new quadcopter. The instruction sheet that came with the Gaui indicates that it's a rebranded Pentium "

    R Zielinski: "So are there just three main "high quality" manufacturers, HobbyWing, ZTW and CC? Or are there other good makers? ...
    If someone could consolidate a master list of all the various brands that each main manufacturer supplies to, that might rate "sticky" status. It would surehelp with buying programming cards or ESC's to go with your existing cards ..."

    -With regard to the last comment, SEEMS THAT THIS HAS NOW BEEN DONE ...


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    ORIGINAL: larrysogla

    DrMotor,
    On occasion I also am intrigued as to which factory supplies the product offered by the retailer.................in a way it is useful because as you pointed out the Hacker 70A ESC is over 100 bucks($109.99) and the Turnigy 70A ESC is $28.73...............and the question is..................(HOLD ON TO YOUR HAT FOLKS)....................ARE WE REALLY GETTING ALMOST 4 TIMES THE VALUE when we pay $109.99 instead of $28.73.................I work in the car rental industry and our rental vehicle prices fluctuate depending upon market demand..............sometimes the difference between a high demand season compared to a slow season for the same car make and model is over a hundred dollars a day. The car rental industry, the airlines, car dealer, RC Hobby retailer all will try to charge as high as the market can bear............this includes re-branding the same item to raise the perception of higher value when deep under the skin it is all the same product but the business owner is able to charge higher because of PERCEPTION OF VALUE...nothing more(same product, same model, same function). Now in the case of Apple Inc. they have a very high standard of quality and are very demanding from the supplier to maintain that high level of quality and therefore Apple is able to command premium prices. In my personal opinion although Apple has a very high quality level IT IS STILL OVERPRICED. Perception of value allows Apple to price it's products very high. It is probably not too far away in quality as the next competitive computer company but the perception is that Apple has a higher quality therefore they will charge more. 'Nuff said.
    The value in the apple products is not in the hardware, thought there is a certain amount of enhanced value there, it is in the software and, to a large extent that is what you are paying for.

    It is pretty easy to let others do the R&D, then steal or reverse engineer their work to make a cheaper product. And that will happen in the market and consumers will vote with their dollars as to whether they want that leading edge stuff, the similars or the clones.

    There are also things that are put into products that are not related to where they are made. Quality testing after manufacture, support structures, customer service. These all cost and those costs are layered on top of the cost of mfg.

    Hey, I like to buy stuff as cheaply as I can but Ioften do not buy the lowest cost product out there because I want that customer service and Iwant to support that innovation that brings me newer and better products.

    All technology eventually falls to the commodity level as volumes rise and features become standardized. Competition drives down the price.

    I have purchased from HobbyKing and from Tower. Tower gives me GREATservice and the stuff I buy works. And if it doesn't they replace it so fast it makes your head spin.

    HobbyKing's service has been aweful. But for some items I buy from them. In some cases I buy two since the cost of warranty service is so high it is cheaper to buy two and throw one away if it doesn't work.

    So, knowing where things are made is useful information, but it is not the whole story of the value received.
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    ORIGINAL: DrMotor



    FOUND OTHER RELEVANT COMMENTS:
    http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1363323
    Title: Sorting out the different ESC brands

    cryhavoc38: "The Hobbywing Pentium is a great speed controller line and is also found under the following names that are rebranded (just naming a few of them):
    Turnigy Plush
    Turnigy Sentilon (larger esc's in the 100amp and up range)
    Exceed Volcano (now known as the Proton)
    FlightPower Flight Tech
    Dualsky
    Thunderpower Higrade.
    RobotBird (UK company/reseller)
    EMAX
    OEMRC
    A couple of the smaller SKY-Holic esc's are hobbywing Pentiums -http://www.sky-holic.com"



    THIS IS AN INTERESTING, REVEALINGCOMMENT:
    cryhavoc38: " If you ever wanted to not overpay for the Eflite 20 and 40amp "v2" brushless esc's (the ones with the bullets soldered right to the board, look at the Sky Holic esc's. They are the same and less money "

    -Since Sky-Holic ESC's arere-branded HobbyWing, and the E-Flite ESC's are identical, then this comment confirms that E-Flite ESC'sare madeby HobbyWing, and are re-branded asE-Flite

    BobRCnut:" I just picked up one of the new Gaui 22A ESCs for a new quadcopter. The instruction sheet that came with the Gaui indicates that it's a rebranded Pentium "

    R Zielinski: "So are there just three main "high quality" manufacturers, HobbyWing, ZTW and CC? Or are there other good makers? ...
    If someone could consolidate a master list of all the various brands that each main manufacturer supplies to, that might rate "sticky" status. It would surehelp with buying programming cards or ESC's to go with your existing cards ..."

    -With regard to the last comment, SEEMS THAT THIS HAS NOW BEEN DONE ...
    This is the basis of your information? Random comments on the web?

    I have had people tell me two things are the same because their names are similar. They are the same thing because they both do something. And the error of their statements was so blatant as to be comical.

    I am not saying the statement you quote is wrong but if that is the depth of your research then Iquestion everything in your posts.

    "Hey, some guy who knows someone said this thing so it must be true."

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    ORIGINAL: aeajr -This is the basis of your information? Random comments on the web?
    I am not saying the statement you quote is wrong but if that is the depth of your research then Iquestion everything in your posts.
    Of course this is not "the basis of information" -that is clear from my earlier reply, when Istatedthat common program cards for eachbrand list are a total give-away that they are the same ESC from the same original factory, as well as many additional features.
    However, when many other people have also come to identical conclusions about ESC brands, this means there is wide general concensus, and that weare very unlikely to be wrong. That is why it is useful in addition, to point to knowledgeable and informed comments made by others. It is simply confirmatory evidence.
    Indeed, it will beobvious to everyone, that theinformation in this thread mustbe correct, even ifone might do the smallest bit of research oneself.
    Ed: a.I am surprised that you even ask the question; b. It wouldseem that you have not bothered to do anyresearch yourself; c.Rather than simply ask an inappropriate question, when you havenot checked any facts yourself, I suggestyou might base any further questions on proper evidence and any research you might have done yourself.

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    ORIGINAL: DrMotor


    ORIGINAL: aeajr -This is the basis of your information? Random comments on the web?
    I am not saying the statement you quote is wrong but if that is the depth of your research then Iquestion everything in your posts.
    Of course this is not "the basis of information" -that is clear from my earlier reply, when Istatedthat common program cards for eachbrand list are a total give-away that they are the same ESC from the same original factory, as well as many additional features.
    However, when many other people have also come to identical conclusions about ESC brands, this means there is wide general concensus, and that weare very unlikely to be wrong. That is why it is useful in addition, to point to knowledgeable and informed comments made by others. It is simply confirmatory evidence.
    Indeed, it will beobvious to everyone, that theinformation in this thread mustbe correct, even ifone might do the smallest bit of research oneself.
    Ed: a.I am surprised that you even ask the question; b. It wouldseem that you have not bothered to do anyresearch yourself; c.Rather than simply ask an inappropriate question, when you havenot checked any facts yourself, I suggestyou might base any further questions on proper evidence and any research you might have done yourself.
    You are right, Ihave not done indepth research on this topic. Why? Not overly interested. As stated above I place value on a lot more than just were something is manufactured. So, if Ichoose to pay more for an item, that is my choice and I cited why I am willing to do that.

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    ESC brands that are known to be manufactured by Dynam-RC:
    Dynam own-brand ESC - http://www.dynam-rc.com/products/esc/brushless.htm
    -All use the distinctive Dynam (small) program card - http://www.dynam-rc.com/products/esc/programcard.htm
    Etronix ESC's - http://etronix-rc.com/fly-etronix/car-speed-controllers
    Jamara Xenon ECO range of ESC's - http://www.neuershop.jamara.com/inde...=2456&lang=eng
    Also: Many of these on eBay

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    ESC brands that are known to be manufactured by Motrolfly:
    Motrolfly FM series of ESC's - http://www.motrolfly.com/product.asp?lb=20
    PROTRONIK -A2PRO range of ESC's - http://www.a2pro-online.com/controleurs-variateurs.html -are made by Motrolflyhttp://www.motrolfly.com/product.asp?lb=20 -which is part of Shenzhen DBY Technology. -These ESC's use a program card which is different from the HobbyWing card - http://www.motrolfly.com/product.asp?lb=24 and http://www.aerotech.ch/en/programing...ik-p-1862.html (sounlikely they are manufactured by HobbyWing)
    Reaper Brushless ESC - http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=749508 -were also made by Motrolfly -http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=753335 ReaperBrushless is no longer trading.
    Now Motrolfly USA is at: http://www.subsonicplanes.com/Motrolfly_ESC.html


    http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1664268

    " ... HobbyKing's Super Simple (SS) line of ESCs are manufactured by Suppo ..."


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    ESC brands that are known to be manufactured by SJ-PROPO (China and South Korea):
    SJ PROPO Hawk Programmable range of ESC's - http://www.duanesplanes.com.au/home.php?cat=47
    These are same ESC's as: LogicRC Fusion Hawk ESC's - http://www.logicrc.com/?s=c:0,c:50,c:50-30,c:50-30-20
    Both use same distinctive program box - http://www.logicrc.com/?ItemId=P-FS-...30-20,b:Fusion
    and http://www.duanesplanes.com.au/produ...&cat=47&page=1



    The identical program box is used by O.S. for their own-branded ESC's - http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?I=LXBYTX
    and also by Futaba for ESC's - http://www.esky-heli.com/futaba-mcp-...a-mc9100a.html
    and also by Robbe for ESC's - http://www.robbe.de/programmer-v2.html
    and also by MegaPower for ESC's - http://www.alien-rc.com/oscommerce/c...roducts_id=325
    and also by Exceed for ESC's - http://www.modelsport.co.uk/fusion-e...products/35200
    and also by Tahmazo for ESC's - http://www.tahmazo.com/products/catalogue/25/154



    Since all these differently branded ESC's use the same programming box, it follows that these ESC's must have a common origin and that they will all be made in the same (SJ-PROPO) factory.Therefore all these ESC brands will have the same specs and features, and be inter-changeable. From this, it is clear that the SJ-PROPO factory must manufacture (at least) ( -and as far ESC's are concerned):
    SJ PROPO Hawk ESC's
    O.S. ESC's
    Futaba ESC's
    Fusion Hawk ESC's (same as LogicRC Fusion ESC's )
    Robbe ESC's
    MegaPower ESC's
    Exceed ESC's
    Tahmazo ESC's

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    Did I overlook them or would you have any of these info?

    GP electrifly 8-45 amp? http://www.electrifly.com/escs/silverseries.html
    Flyzone has a number of different ones and many of the models are made by ST models and sold with various brands. Here's a few of them. http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...VSEARCH=ESC+++ They all look different to me.
    A GP one here I'd like to know. http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXAZTV&P=7
    A Hobbico http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXZCP1&P=7
    Lots of Hobbico products use supertigre http://www.supertigre.com/electric-p...-controls.html I have lots of them and like them.
    Tactic another in house brand fro Hobbico http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXVZZ1&P=7

    I bet you recognise some of these , right? I'd appreciate knowing who makes them or which ones are identical. Maybe they have programming that I'm unaware af too.
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    Electrifly Silver Series Brushless ESC's, 8A to 45A
    Whichcompany might make these Electrifly ESC's, isan interesting question: I have discovered it is: INGS Bee's Electronics- http://www.ings-cn.com/ESC/esc.htm
    Main points:
    1. The Electrifly ESC's lookdifferent from any other ESC's -they have (what appears to be) 2 different length capacitors on the battery input side -most ESCs have 2 identical capacitors on this side http://www.electrifly.com/escs/silverseries.html
    2.Electrifly ESC'sare identical in configurationwith Super Tigre ESC's(see pics)- http://www.supertigre.com/electric-p...-controls.html The Super Tigre ESC's are available in 20A and 30A rating,whereas Electrifly Silver Series ESC's are available in 8, 12, 25, 35, 45Arating. Nevertheless, Super Tigre ESC's are clearly identical in format, and obviously come from the same factory as these Electrifly ESC's.
    3. A targeted search showed that these ESC'sare made by INGS Bee's Electronics, in China- http://www.ings-cn.com/ESC/esc.htm The configuration of the Bee ESC'sis clearly identical to the Electrifly and Super TigreESC's (see pic).The INGS Bee ESC's are available in 15, 30, 40 and 50A ratings(and soon 60A, so they say).
    4. The specs of the Bee 30A ESCare identical to the Super Tigre 30A ESC; and even the parameters are listed in an identical order.
    The specs of the Bee 40A ESCare identical in almost all respects to the Electrifly 35A ESC.
    There really cannot be any doubt that INGS Bee, Electrifly and Super Tigre ESC's are identical, and come from the same source.
    5. These ESC's are not really programmable-they are more"Plug and Play"http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/a...article_id=615
    The only thing which can be altered is brake on / off, usingthe Tx.They have a useful "safe start" feature.
    6. There seems to be no other supplier besides Hobbico (of which Great Planes, Tower Hobbies, Electrifly are a part; they distribute Super Tigre) which sell these somewhat unique ESC's.
    7. The larger Electrifly 60A and 80A ESC's come from a different manufacturer (see next post).
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    Electrifly Silver Series Brushless ESC's, 60A and 80A
    1. The larger Electrifly 60A and 80A ESC's come from a different manufacturer, and are completely different in configuration to the smaller ESC's 8 to 45A.
    2. The 60A and 80A ESC's can be programmed using a card (the smaller ESC's cannot be programmed). My guess is that these larger Electrifly ESC'sare probably made by Sunrise Model http://www.sunrisemodel.com/ -because the program card looks very much like a Sunrise Model card. We cannot see the program card from the front on the Electrify webpage, however the rear view and the pins of the card look like a Sunrise Model card - http://www.electrifly.com/miscproducts/gpmm1895.html.
    3. Also the back side of theElectrifly 80A ESC looksidenticalto the back side of a Jeti Advance 90 Pro ESC, and also to the back side of a Jeti Advance 90 Plus ESC (see pics below, left pic is Electrifly 80A, pic onright of this is back side of Jeti Advance 90).
    4. The Jeti Advance series of ESC's are known to be manufactured by Sunrise Model -the program cards for Sunrise Model and for the Jeti Advance ESC's are identical (see pics), so these ESC's must come from the same source.
    5. Since it is clear that all Jeti Advance ESC's are made by Sunrise Model, and since the back side of the Electrifly 80A ESC looks identical to the Jeti Advance 90A, and since the Electrifly program card looks like a Sunrise Model card, then it seemsvery likely that the Electrifly 60A and 80A ESC's are manufactured by the Sunrise Modelfactory inChina.
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    ORIGINAL: DrMotor

    Electrifly Silver Series Brushless ESC's,Â* 8A to 45A
    WhichÂ*company might make these Electrifly ESC's, isÂ*an interesting question:Â*Â* I have discovered it is:Â* INGS Bee's ElectronicsÂ*- http://www.ings-cn.com/ESC/esc.htm
    Main points:
    1. The Electrifly ESC's lookÂ*different from any other ESC'sÂ* -they have (what appears to be) 2 different length capacitors on the battery input sideÂ*Â* -most ESCs have 2 identical capacitors on this sideÂ* Â*http://www.electrifly.com/escs/silverseries.html
    2.Â*Â*Electrifly ESC'sÂ*are identical in configurationÂ*with Super Tigre ESC'sÂ*(see pics)Â*- http://www.supertigre.com/electric-p...-controls.htmlÂ*Â* The Super Tigre ESC's are available in 20A and 30A rating,Â*Â*whereas Electrifly Silver Series ESC's are availableÂ* in 8, 12, 25, 35, 45AÂ*rating.Â* Nevertheless, Super Tigre ESC's are clearly identical in format, and obviously come from the same factory as these Electrifly ESC's.
    3.Â* A targeted search showed that these ESC'sÂ*are made by INGS Bee's Electronics, in ChinaÂ*- http://www.ings-cn.com/ESC/esc.htmÂ*Â* The configuration of the Bee ESC'sÂ*is clearly identical to the Electrifly and Super TigreÂ*ESC's (see pic).Â*Â*The INGS Bee ESC's are available in 15, 30, 40 and 50AÂ* ratingsÂ*(and soon 60A, so they say).
    4.Â* The specs of the Bee 30A ESCÂ*are identical to the Super Tigre 30A ESC;Â* and even the parameters are listed in an identical order.
    The specs of the Bee 40A ESCÂ*are identical in almost all respects to the Electrifly 35A ESC.
    There really cannot be any doubt thatÂ* INGS Bee, Electrifly and Super Tigre ESC'sÂ* are identical,Â* and come from the same source.
    5.Â* These ESC's are not really programmableÂ*-they are moreÂ*''Plug and Play''Â*Â*Â*Â*http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/a...article_id=615
    The only thing which can be altered is brake on / off,Â* usingÂ*the Tx.Â*Â*They have a useful ''safe start'' feature.
    6.Â* There seems to be no other supplier besides Hobbico (of which Great Planes, Tower Hobbies, Electrifly are a part; they distribute Super Tigre) which sell these somewhat unique ESC's.
    7.Â* The larger Electrifly 60A and 80A ESC'sÂ* come from a different manufacturerÂ* (see next post).
    Wow, Thank you. I did over 3 hrs of research and found out 1 and 2. You are absolutely correct. I just couldn't find any more info and that link to the manufacturer must've been the only one I hadn't visited. Too bad I won;t be able to program anything. I know they are cheap ones.

    I had it narrowed down by wire color and those 2 different sized caps. I have lots of them, they work good and have been reliable for me. What do you think is meant by "set by PC" under the LVC. I do know what 67% is , that's pretty easy.
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    I hope you didn't mind me responding in your thread (cluttering it up)

    http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXAZTV&P=7 GP super sportster 18 amp
    http://pics.towerhobbies.com/imagel/h/lhcaa3994.jpg Skyfly Max 25 amp
    http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXCLCV&P=Z Millenium Master 30 amp

    I'm pretty sure these 3 look like Aeolian or XQ http://www.xqcontrol.com/en_Product2.asp , right?
    and airplanes were in

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    ORIGINAL: guver I hope you didn't mind me responding in your thread (cluttering it up)
    http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXCLCV&P=Z Millenium Master 30 amp I'm pretty sure these 3 look like Aeolian or XQ http://www.xqcontrol.com/en_Product2.asp, right?
    Hello Guver, I am very pleased indeed you have contributed to this thread. It is not "my thread", although I seem to have written most of it. I would be very grateful if more people might contribute to this thread. I hope that many more people will contribute.

    As for the: Tower Hobbies30A ESC, for Flyzone Millenium Master - http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXCLCV&P=7-I notice it is labelled as: "XP-30A-SW-F".
    Another ESC labelled similarly is the"X Star XP-30A-SW-F" Brushless ESC - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/X-Star-XP-...-/280790477685And another ESC labelled as "XP-30A-SW-F"isthe Overlander onehttp://www.overlander.co.uk/xq-xp-40...-esc-1041.html Overlander ESC's are known to be made byXingQiong Technology ("XQ"-Control)http://www.xqcontrol.com/en_index.asp and also XingQiong call their range of ESC's "XStar".
    I agree with you, that the 30A ESC labelled as"XP-30A-SW-F"is made by XingQiong Technology. In general, it seems that ESC's labelled as "XStar" or "XP-" i.e. "XP-30A" or "XP-60A-SW" are made by XingQiong Technology. Of course, if they use a particular programming card, then it is usually easy to identifythe company that makes a particular brand of ESC.

    As for the other 18A and 30A ESC's, they arenot labelled with anything at all, and there is no program card to identify them. So it is difficult to know where they come from.
    I do agree with you, however, thatthe 25A ESC for Hobbico Flyzone SkyFly Max,at least looks like theXingQiong XStar XP-25A -http://www.xqcontrol.com/en_showProDetail.asp?ProID=15 -with black heat-shrink rather thanblue.

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    ORIGINAL: guver What do you think is meant by "set by PC" under the LVC. I do know what 67% is , that's pretty easy.
    Yes, I also noticed thatcomment forthe INGS Bee ESC's -that they say for for Low voltage cutoff: "0.67 x battery voltage, or set by PC"
    -I presume they must have, or be developing, a PC link system where some parameters of the ESC can be set by a PC.
    However, this is not mentioned for the Electrifly or Super Tigre ESC's, so it looks like they do not have the "set by PC" feature.


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